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Post by iot on Sept 4, 2023 13:32:18 GMT
Talk on the ccmb (Cardiff City) messageboard regarding ticket prices. Salford FC home ticket prices appears to go up to £18; Bradford City charge £20 for those booking in advance and £25 on the day; Swindon Town charge £23-£27 online. I know Swindon have a captive audience riding crest of a wave but Wales/Cymru in friendly against team made up of Premier League players is between £1-£10 more than League 2 football. How close to League 2 prices do you think we should value our international team for once in a decade plus friendly? Team on a woeful run. Manager has been terrible. Second string XI. Midweek. Friendly. Probably enough of a reason there to keep many away. Will continue to dwindle unless Page goes, he is already killing off any of the positivity in our fans. Apathy has well and truely set in. I'm sure those are the reasons most have stayed away, but for me it just shows that despite our recent success and the Euro 16 / WC buzz, it hasn't really increased our base of hardcore support - all it did was add a lot more 'soft' supporters who won't stick around when the going gets tough. I disagree with those saying the ticket prices are expensive, you only have to look at the prices for bog standard L2 sides as others have pointed out - sure this is a friendly, but that has to be balanced by the fact it's our national team and playing against a decent side. People have mentioned that there will be very few coming down from the north to this game - I would be very surprised if taking a fiver off the ticket price would have made any difference considering the lengths they have to go to for international games. We have a lot more hardcore support in the north, but given the effort involved it's not surprising that those fans won't be able to attend every game and this of course is the most obvious candidate to avoid. But fans along the M4 corridor have far less of an excuse imo. I think it just shows our fanbase is pretty crap tbh. |
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Post by dai on Sept 4, 2023 14:54:44 GMT
Team on a woeful run. Manager has been terrible. Second string XI. Midweek. Friendly. Probably enough of a reason there to keep many away. Will continue to dwindle unless Page goes, he is already killing off any of the positivity in our fans. Apathy has well and truely set in. I'm sure those are the reasons most have stayed away, but for me it just shows that despite our recent success and the Euro 16 / WC buzz, it hasn't really increased our base of hardcore support - all it did was add a lot more 'soft' supporters who won't stick around when the going gets tough. I disagree with those saying the ticket prices are expensive, you only have to look at the prices for bog standard L2 sides as others have pointed out - sure this is a friendly, but that has to be balanced by the fact it's our national team and playing against a decent side. People have mentioned that there will be very few coming down from the north to this game - I would be very surprised if taking a fiver off the ticket price would have made any difference considering the lengths they have to go to for international games. We have a lot more hardcore support in the north, but given the effort involved it's not surprising that those fans won't be able to attend every game and this of course is the most obvious candidate to avoid. But fans along the M4 corridor have far less of an excuse imo. I think it just shows our fanbase is pretty crap tbh. Not sure where you live, but have you driven from the West along the M4 on a game night or after work? It's bloody atrocious. You are almost guaranteed to get stuck around Swansea and Port Talbot for ages. I live along the M4 corridor, about an hour and 15 mins from Cardiff on a good/normal day, but it took me and my brother almost 2 hours and 45 mins to get to the stadium for the Latvia home game. The M4 is an absolute shit show of a motorway. It's been getting worse over the years too, and now combined with how frustrating we are too watch, it's just too much of an ask on a weeknight for me. Call me what you want, but I've rarely missed a home game in 20 years, and I know plenty that feel the same as me. |
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Post by njdragon on Sept 4, 2023 14:59:35 GMT
I'm sure those are the reasons most have stayed away, but for me it just shows that despite our recent success and the Euro 16 / WC buzz, it hasn't really increased our base of hardcore support - all it did was add a lot more 'soft' supporters who won't stick around when the going gets tough. I disagree with those saying the ticket prices are expensive, you only have to look at the prices for bog standard L2 sides as others have pointed out - sure this is a friendly, but that has to be balanced by the fact it's our national team and playing against a decent side. People have mentioned that there will be very few coming down from the north to this game - I would be very surprised if taking a fiver off the ticket price would have made any difference considering the lengths they have to go to for international games. We have a lot more hardcore support in the north, but given the effort involved it's not surprising that those fans won't be able to attend every game and this of course is the most obvious candidate to avoid. But fans along the M4 corridor have far less of an excuse imo. I think it just shows our fanbase is pretty crap tbh. Not sure where you live, but have you driven from the West along the M4 on a game night or after work? It's bloody atrocious. You are almost guaranteed to get stuck around Swansea and Port Talbot for ages. I live along the M4 corridor, about an hour and 15 mins from Cardiff on a good/normal day, but it took me and my brother almost 2 hours and 45 mins to get to the stadium for the Latvia home game. The M4 is an absolute shit show of a motorway. It's been getting worse over the years too, and now combined with how frustrating we are too watch, it's just too much of an ask on a weeknight for me. Call me what you want, but I've rarely missed a home game in 20 years, and I know plenty that feel the same as me. there were about 3 events in cardiff that day and a road closure. Its never that bad dai. I used to commute that route every day for around 10 years - fridays are the worst going west. |
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Post by dai on Sept 4, 2023 15:06:04 GMT
Not sure where you live, but have you driven from the West along the M4 on a game night or after work? It's bloody atrocious. You are almost guaranteed to get stuck around Swansea and Port Talbot for ages. I live along the M4 corridor, about an hour and 15 mins from Cardiff on a good/normal day, but it took me and my brother almost 2 hours and 45 mins to get to the stadium for the Latvia home game. The M4 is an absolute shit show of a motorway. It's been getting worse over the years too, and now combined with how frustrating we are too watch, it's just too much of an ask on a weeknight for me. Call me what you want, but I've rarely missed a home game in 20 years, and I know plenty that feel the same as me. there were about 3 events in cardiff that day and a road closure. Its never that bad dai. I used to commute that route every day for around 10 years - fridays are the worst going west. That day was exceptionally bad yes, but it's become worse of the years. Go and speak to a lot of fans who travel that the M4 and a lot will say the same thing. |
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Post by iot on Sept 4, 2023 15:11:49 GMT
I'm sure those are the reasons most have stayed away, but for me it just shows that despite our recent success and the Euro 16 / WC buzz, it hasn't really increased our base of hardcore support - all it did was add a lot more 'soft' supporters who won't stick around when the going gets tough. I disagree with those saying the ticket prices are expensive, you only have to look at the prices for bog standard L2 sides as others have pointed out - sure this is a friendly, but that has to be balanced by the fact it's our national team and playing against a decent side. People have mentioned that there will be very few coming down from the north to this game - I would be very surprised if taking a fiver off the ticket price would have made any difference considering the lengths they have to go to for international games. We have a lot more hardcore support in the north, but given the effort involved it's not surprising that those fans won't be able to attend every game and this of course is the most obvious candidate to avoid. But fans along the M4 corridor have far less of an excuse imo. I think it just shows our fanbase is pretty crap tbh. Not sure where you live, but have you driven from the West along the M4 on a game night or after work? It's bloody atrocious. You are almost guaranteed to get stuck around Swansea and Port Talbot for ages. I live along the M4 corridor, about an hour and 15 mins from Cardiff on a good/normal day, but it took me and my brother almost 2 hours and 45 mins to get to the stadium for the Latvia home game. The M4 is an absolute shit show of a motorway. It's been getting worse over the years too, and now combined with how frustrating we are too watch, it's just too much of an ask on a weeknight for me. Call me what you want, but I've rarely missed a home game in 20 years, and I know plenty that feel the same as me. I would call you many things dai, but a fair weather fan isn't one of them  I suspect most on here go to most games and everyone will miss a game every now and again for one reason or another. But I can't see how anyone could argue that we have a half-decent fanbase when we struggle to get 10k for a game, with a million plus living along the M4 corridor. |
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Post by njdragon on Sept 4, 2023 15:21:16 GMT
there were about 3 events in cardiff that day and a road closure. Its never that bad dai. I used to commute that route every day for around 10 years - fridays are the worst going west. That day was exceptionally bad yes, but it's become worse of the years. Go and speak to a lot of fans who travel that the M4 and a lot will say the same thing. i travel up for every game, i live in cardiff and swansea. its not bad until you get to coryton |
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Post by njdragon on Sept 4, 2023 15:43:47 GMT
Team on a woeful run. Manager has been terrible. Second string XI. Midweek. Friendly. Probably enough of a reason there to keep many away. Will continue to dwindle unless Page goes, he is already killing off any of the positivity in our fans. Apathy has well and truely set in. I'm sure those are the reasons most have stayed away, but for me it just shows that despite our recent success and the Euro 16 / WC buzz, it hasn't really increased our base of hardcore support - all it did was add a lot more 'soft' supporters who won't stick around when the going gets tough. I disagree with those saying the ticket prices are expensive, you only have to look at the prices for bog standard L2 sides as others have pointed out - sure this is a friendly, but that has to be balanced by the fact it's our national team and playing against a decent side. People have mentioned that there will be very few coming down from the north to this game - I would be very surprised if taking a fiver off the ticket price would have made any difference considering the lengths they have to go to for international games. We have a lot more hardcore support in the north, but given the effort involved it's not surprising that those fans won't be able to attend every game and this of course is the most obvious candidate to avoid. But fans along the M4 corridor have far less of an excuse imo. I think it just shows our fanbase is pretty crap tbh. totally agree, every time we have had a game in Swansea the attendance has been dire. I live here and find there is less interest in international football down this way. |
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Post by quetzal on Sept 4, 2023 15:47:00 GMT
Ticket sales have flopped dramatically. Currently only 7k have been sold . If that doesn’t tell the FAW that something has gone dramatically wrong then nothing will. I can’t believe Welsh fans are so fickle. Gareth Bale bandwagon over!!! Cymru public are a disgrace! |
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Post by jbt95 on Sept 4, 2023 16:04:33 GMT
I'm sure those are the reasons most have stayed away, but for me it just shows that despite our recent success and the Euro 16 / WC buzz, it hasn't really increased our base of hardcore support - all it did was add a lot more 'soft' supporters who won't stick around when the going gets tough. I disagree with those saying the ticket prices are expensive, you only have to look at the prices for bog standard L2 sides as others have pointed out - sure this is a friendly, but that has to be balanced by the fact it's our national team and playing against a decent side. People have mentioned that there will be very few coming down from the north to this game - I would be very surprised if taking a fiver off the ticket price would have made any difference considering the lengths they have to go to for international games. We have a lot more hardcore support in the north, but given the effort involved it's not surprising that those fans won't be able to attend every game and this of course is the most obvious candidate to avoid. But fans along the M4 corridor have far less of an excuse imo. I think it just shows our fanbase is pretty crap tbh. totally agree, every time we have had a game in Swansea the attendance has been dire. I live here and find there is less interest in international football down this way. We’ve not played in front of a crowd in Swansea since March 2013. |
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Post by njdragon on Sept 4, 2023 16:06:54 GMT
totally agree, every time we have had a game in Swansea the attendance has been dire. I live here and find there is less interest in international football down this way. We’ve not played in front of a crowd in Swansea since March 2013. For that exact reason. I’m sure we were due one a few years back that got cancelled |
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Post by jbt95 on Sept 4, 2023 16:14:41 GMT
We’ve not played in front of a crowd in Swansea since March 2013. For that exact reason. I’m sure we were due one a few years back that got cancelled That’s unfair, that March 2013 game v Croatia - on a Tuesday - had a higher attendance than the two home games in Cardiff later in the campaign, including a Friday night game. The crowds only got big after October 2014 and we didn’t play really friendlies for the following 4 years, to try and beat the rankings, until we had to when the Nations League and its TV deal came in. The covid cancelled March 2020 friendly v Austria on a Friday night had good ticket sales. Thursday’s game should have either been in Wrexham, away or in Swansea. |
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Post by njdragon on Sept 4, 2023 16:35:48 GMT
For that exact reason. I’m sure we were due one a few years back that got cancelled That’s unfair, that March 2013 game v Croatia - on a Tuesday - had a higher attendance than the two home games in Cardiff later in the campaign, including a Friday night game. The crowds only got big after October 2014 and we didn’t play really friendlies for the following 4 years, to try and beat the rankings, until we had to when the Nations League and its TV deal came in. The covid cancelled March 2020 friendly v Austria on a Friday night had good ticket sales. Thursday’s game should have either been in Wrexham, away or in Swansea. What was the attendance though? I’d say much less appetite down here for welsh games compared to the likes of Cardiff and north wales. 8k attendance in 2008 12.5k for Croatia and I bet most of those turned up to watch Croatia |
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Post by jbt95 on Sept 4, 2023 16:37:08 GMT
That’s unfair, that March 2013 game v Croatia - on a Tuesday - had a higher attendance than the two home games in Cardiff later in the campaign, including a Friday night game. The crowds only got big after October 2014 and we didn’t play really friendlies for the following 4 years, to try and beat the rankings, until we had to when the Nations League and its TV deal came in. The covid cancelled March 2020 friendly v Austria on a Friday night had good ticket sales. Thursday’s game should have either been in Wrexham, away or in Swansea. What was the attendance though? I’d say much less appetite down here for welsh games compared to the likes of Cardiff and north wales. 8k attendance in 2008 12.5k for Croatia and I bet most of those turned up to watch Croatia Attendance for what? |
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Post by njdragon on Sept 4, 2023 16:39:20 GMT
What was the attendance though? I’d say much less appetite down here for welsh games compared to the likes of Cardiff and north wales. 8k attendance in 2008 12.5k for Croatia and I bet most of those turned up to watch Croatia Attendance for what? Croatia I answered my own question. That’s poor considering it’s a 24k seater stadium playing a top side |
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Post by jbt95 on Sept 4, 2023 16:40:37 GMT
Croatia I answered my own question. That’s poor considering it’s a 24k seater stadium playing a top side Swancom holds 21k. In 2013, 12.5k was a good attendance. It’s not comparable with now. |
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Post by njdragon on Sept 4, 2023 16:48:22 GMT
Croatia I answered my own question. That’s poor considering it’s a 24k seater stadium playing a top side Swancom holds 21k. In 2013, 12.5k was a good attendance. It’s not comparable with now. we had 13k against North Macedonia in Sept that year on a friday night |
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Post by garynysmon on Sept 5, 2023 8:53:34 GMT
I'm sure those are the reasons most have stayed away, but for me it just shows that despite our recent success and the Euro 16 / WC buzz, it hasn't really increased our base of hardcore support - all it did was add a lot more 'soft' supporters who won't stick around when the going gets tough. I disagree with those saying the ticket prices are expensive, you only have to look at the prices for bog standard L2 sides as others have pointed out - sure this is a friendly, but that has to be balanced by the fact it's our national team and playing against a decent side. People have mentioned that there will be very few coming down from the north to this game - I would be very surprised if taking a fiver off the ticket price would have made any difference considering the lengths they have to go to for international games. We have a lot more hardcore support in the north, but given the effort involved it's not surprising that those fans won't be able to attend every game and this of course is the most obvious candidate to avoid. But fans along the M4 corridor have far less of an excuse imo. I think it just shows our fanbase is pretty crap tbh. To be fair I do think Euro 2016 etc has had a long term effect and means that things will never be as bad as they were in terms of apathy. Wales Away will never again be back to sub-100 travelling parties etc. But christ. its a friendly against strong but not very enticing opposition. I don't bother watching pre season friendlies involving local teams a 10 minute walk away, so there's absoloutely no chance am I doing an 8.5 hour round trip, paying for a hotel, beer and taking two days of annual leave to go to this. Gibraltar will sell out in Wrexham because its a 10,000 seater, held in an area that doesn't see much international football, and also within reasonable driving distance to north west Wales, an area that doesn't host any professional football at all. (Mind you, to those not familiar with the north, its still an effort to get to Wrexham if you live in swathes of Gwynedd or Anglesey, Wrexham is tucked away in the east, not even on the A55 and is far from being the most convenient of places to get to). That said, I'd be travelling down to Cardiff like I always have if it were a qualifier or nations league game and I'll be flying out to Latvia this weekend. |
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Post by njdragon on Sept 5, 2023 8:57:30 GMT
I'm sure those are the reasons most have stayed away, but for me it just shows that despite our recent success and the Euro 16 / WC buzz, it hasn't really increased our base of hardcore support - all it did was add a lot more 'soft' supporters who won't stick around when the going gets tough. I disagree with those saying the ticket prices are expensive, you only have to look at the prices for bog standard L2 sides as others have pointed out - sure this is a friendly, but that has to be balanced by the fact it's our national team and playing against a decent side. People have mentioned that there will be very few coming down from the north to this game - I would be very surprised if taking a fiver off the ticket price would have made any difference considering the lengths they have to go to for international games. We have a lot more hardcore support in the north, but given the effort involved it's not surprising that those fans won't be able to attend every game and this of course is the most obvious candidate to avoid. But fans along the M4 corridor have far less of an excuse imo. I think it just shows our fanbase is pretty crap tbh. To be fair I do think Euro 2016 etc has had a long term effect and means that things will never be as bad as they were in terms of apathy. Wales Away will never again be back to sub-100 travelling parties etc. But christ. its a friendly against strong but not very enticing opposition. I don't bother watching pre season friendlies involving local teams a 10 minute walk away, so there's absoloutely no chance am I doing an 8.5 hour round trip, paying for a hotel, beer and taking two days of annual leave to go to this. Gibraltar will sell out in Wrexham because its a 10,000 seater, held in an area that doesn't see much international football, and also within reasonable driving distance to north west Wales, an area that doesn't host any professional football at all. (Mind you, to those not familiar with the north, its still an effort to get to Wrexham if you live in swathes of Gwynedd or Anglesey, Wrexham is tucked away in the east, not even on the A55 and is far from being the most convenient of places to get to). That said, I'd be travelling down to Cardiff like I always have if it were a qualifier or nations league game and I'll be flying out to Latvia this weekend. I can see the weather picking us up a few tickets this week especially for families and kids, last chance to take them before the winter months set in. Kids back in school though this week and lots of other factors. I'll be taking my daughter for her first match! |
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Post by iot on Sept 5, 2023 11:31:16 GMT
I'm sure those are the reasons most have stayed away, but for me it just shows that despite our recent success and the Euro 16 / WC buzz, it hasn't really increased our base of hardcore support - all it did was add a lot more 'soft' supporters who won't stick around when the going gets tough. I disagree with those saying the ticket prices are expensive, you only have to look at the prices for bog standard L2 sides as others have pointed out - sure this is a friendly, but that has to be balanced by the fact it's our national team and playing against a decent side. People have mentioned that there will be very few coming down from the north to this game - I would be very surprised if taking a fiver off the ticket price would have made any difference considering the lengths they have to go to for international games. We have a lot more hardcore support in the north, but given the effort involved it's not surprising that those fans won't be able to attend every game and this of course is the most obvious candidate to avoid. But fans along the M4 corridor have far less of an excuse imo. I think it just shows our fanbase is pretty crap tbh. To be fair I do think Euro 2016 etc has had a long term effect and means that things will never be as bad as they were in terms of apathy. Wales Away will never again be back to sub-100 travelling parties etc. But christ. its a friendly against strong but not very enticing opposition. I don't bother watching pre season friendlies involving local teams a 10 minute walk away, so there's absoloutely no chance am I doing an 8.5 hour round trip, paying for a hotel, beer and taking two days of annual leave to go to this. Gibraltar will sell out in Wrexham because its a 10,000 seater, held in an area that doesn't see much international football, and also within reasonable driving distance to north west Wales, an area that doesn't host any professional football at all. (Mind you, to those not familiar with the north, its still an effort to get to Wrexham if you live in swathes of Gwynedd or Anglesey, Wrexham is tucked away in the east, not even on the A55 and is far from being the most convenient of places to get to). That said, I'd be travelling down to Cardiff like I always have if it were a qualifier or nations league game and I'll be flying out to Latvia this weekend. I must be sadder than I thought, or maybe it's because I'm not a massive club supporter, but I always really look forward to friendlies - obviously not as much as the proper games, but such is the rarity of international fixtures that any game is something to look forward to in my book. I like seeing us test out new players and I think it's almost always a valuable exercise. Yeah I agree Euro16 had an impact, but as I said it was just to increase our soft support - those fans won't bother making the effort if there's not enough riding on the game but will be the first to cry foul when we sell out for a must win qualifier. We didn't even sell out the Nations League games last Summer, and that was after a historic qualification. As I say, I think we just have a pretty crap fan base in reality and that's the main reason for some of the shocking attendances, not the list of excuses people come up with. |
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Post by garynysmon on Sept 5, 2023 12:18:01 GMT
I think we just have a pretty crap fan base in reality and that's the main reason for some of the shocking attendances, not the list of excuses people come up with. I wouldn't go that far, but there's a massive percentage of the Welsh populace that are 'big event' types in that they'll turn out in droves for the six nations Rugby, only to ignore the sport for the rest of the year. They were happy to be part of the Red Wall in good times too. But now I imagine that Wales football isn't the hot ticket it once was, we might be struggling to fill CCS once again. Given that almost 2/3 of the Welsh population is based along the M4 though, there really shouldn't be such a reliance on people from the north and west to make up the numbers. If games were held in Colwyn Bay you woudn't hear people on Anglesey or Flintshire moaning it was too far. |
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Post by sleepy on Sept 5, 2023 12:42:53 GMT
Swancom holds 21k. In 2013, 12.5k was a good attendance. It’s not comparable with now. we had 13k against North Macedonia in Sept that year on a friday night The Austria game in Mar 2020 had sold over 17k tickets, weather was nice, would have been very close to a sell out. |
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Post by vvm on Sept 5, 2023 13:15:14 GMT
How well are Gibraltar tickets selling? Still yet to renew my red wall membership so just going to wait for general sale if they make it that far. Can't justify paying £25 for the ticket +£20 for the membership
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Post by njdragon on Sept 5, 2023 13:30:06 GMT
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Post by sleepy on Sept 5, 2023 16:01:37 GMT
I cannot find the original thread for the Austria game in 2020 (there must have been one)??, but sales continued after that article 'a month out from the game'. If I find a definitive source I will post it |
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Post by njdragon on Sept 5, 2023 16:12:37 GMT
I cannot find the original thread for the Austria game in 2020 (there must have been one)??, but sales continued after that article 'a month out from the game'. If I find a definitive source I will post it I’m not calling you a liar it’s just that article was written when the game was called off. Anyway I’ve never seen much appetite for international here. Lots of my mates are big footy supporters but couldn’t care less about wales games. Things may have changed now after recent success but I think Swansea city always trumps internationals |
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Post by sleepy on Sept 5, 2023 16:18:21 GMT
I cannot find the original thread for the Austria game in 2020 (there must have been one)??, but sales continued after that article 'a month out from the game'. If I find a definitive source I will post it I’m not calling you a liar it’s just that article was written when the game was called off. Anyway I’ve never seen much appetite for international here. Lots of my mates are big footy supporters but couldn’t care less about wales games. Things may have changed now after recent success but I think Swansea city always trumps internationals Phil Cadden said 15k were sold and expecting close to sell out. |
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Post by marsvolta on Sept 5, 2023 17:47:11 GMT
Just booked my tickets for Gibraltar, looks like a fair few have gone on the first day.
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Post by jbt95 on Sept 5, 2023 19:18:34 GMT
Just booked my tickets for Gibraltar, looks like a fair few have gone on the first day. I am shocked it hasn’t sold out straight away. I thought the Trinidad game did? |
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Post by marsvolta on Sept 5, 2023 21:37:06 GMT
Just booked my tickets for Gibraltar, looks like a fair few have gone on the first day. I am shocked it hasn’t sold out straight away. I thought the Trinidad game did? Only the first load of Red Wall members can buy tickets at the mo,so will probably sell more once the sales open up to more people. |
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Post by jbt95 on Sept 6, 2023 7:21:19 GMT
I am shocked it hasn’t sold out straight away. I thought the Trinidad game did? Only the first load of Red Wall members can buy tickets at the mo,so will probably sell more once the sales open up to more people. On sale to all members. Maybe the demand isn’t there for this game either? Maybe people have wised up. Very poor opposition, likely to be Wales B and not cheap. |
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I suspect most on here go to most games and everyone will miss a game every now and again for one reason or another. But I can't see how anyone could argue that we have a half-decent fanbase when we struggle to get 10k for a game, with a million plus living along the M4 corridor. 
