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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Oct 11, 2023 20:47:47 GMT
I can only imagine that Wilson wanted to come on in his home(ish) town in front of his family. But that's too sentimental for me, made the Beck and Harris callups slightly pointless! They wouldd have been better off staying with the u21s Youâre probably right regarding Wilson. Might explain Wayneâs substitution too, being from the North (albeit Bangor). Sentimentality is crazy, particularly as this is a âtransitionary periodâ according to Page himself! Joke. His tendency to say one thing, and do the exact opposite really irritates me, if you couldnât tell! Just so amateurish! |
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Post by hooky on Oct 11, 2023 20:48:27 GMT
Saw the last 35mins of that at home (first half on mobile) and it was awful
Gibralter were below National League standard. I hope people see that Bradshaw and Sheehan were not even better than the level they were playing against
Is Harris totally crap? Otherwise why not see what he can do in a match like like. Page is totally useless - the second half begged for some energy. Can't believe we are stuck with him. I will be beyond angry if somehow we lose Harris and he turns out to be a great player because the man management of him is non-existent - why on earth does he get zero minutes against the worst team in the world when we are playing third choice players in certain positions, when he has even had a few minutes off the bench in the Premier League
Bradshaw 31 - very average player and his best years are behind him
Sheehan 28 - plays in the third division - his level. Not much energy, passed the ball sideways a maximum of 2cm and lost out physically several times
Harris 18 - in a Premiership squad. He is a goalscoring midfielder (something Wales lack). Is he any good? Maybe not but I'd like to bloody well find out!
Giggs and even Coleman would have played Harris by now. I just do not understand Page. That second half performance was dire. What reason on earth did he have not to have a look at him?
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Post by hooky on Oct 11, 2023 20:50:04 GMT
Why bring Wayne on? What do we learn? Page just robbed either Beck or Harris of a cap. Disappointing. Edit - didnât bring on either of them. A baffling oversight from him. Unless Ward is injured of course, www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67018592 might point to this. He said Savage, Beck and Harris would feature. Lol, this game was âperfectâ for Luke Harris, according to Rob. Page yet again not keeping his word, awful man management. Why? Loyalty. The guy is a luddite! I never both listening to anything Page ever says because there is no point |
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Post by hooky on Oct 11, 2023 20:53:29 GMT
Oh and Broadhead was decent first half but then ragged the last 30 mins. Why not replace him with someone like Luke and tweak the formation. Seriously - you knew the last 30mins were gonna be like that after watching the first 5mins of the 30! The number of sideways and backwards passes must have broke a record in that last 30mins
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Post by CrackityJones on Oct 11, 2023 20:53:38 GMT
Hell of an over reaction fair play
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Post by winsumluzsum on Oct 11, 2023 20:56:13 GMT
Hell of an over reaction fair play Yup. |
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Post by hooky on Oct 11, 2023 20:58:18 GMT
Hell of an over reaction fair play Maybe but every other nation would blood the younger, promising player in a game like that. All due respect but Bradshaw and Sheehan have not done very much and are a million miles from international quality. What is the point? Wayne gets a game where there is no point but to reward him from always turning up - well its more productive and rational to reward a young, promising player with a game for turning up, especially when you could learn something about them. First half was decent but the second half was clueless. What if something happened to Harry Wilson? Why on earth risk him? Even Dan James - why - just to ensure an insecure manager makes sure he gets a comfortable win? |
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Post by iot on Oct 11, 2023 21:08:13 GMT
Saw the last 35mins of that at home (first half on mobile) and it was awful Gibralter were below National League standard. I hope people see that Bradshaw and Sheehan were not even better than the level they were playing against Is Harris totally crap? Otherwise why not see what he can do in a match like like. Page is totally useless - the second half begged for some energy. Can't believe we are stuck with him. I will be beyond angry if somehow we lose Harris and he turns out to be a great player because the man management of him is non-existent - why on earth does he get zero minutes against the worst team in the world when we are playing third choice players in certain positions, when he has even had a few minutes off the bench in the Premier League Bradshaw 31 - very average player and his best years are behind him Sheehan 28 - plays in the third division - his level. Not much energy, passed the ball sideways a maximum of 2cm and lost out physically several times Harris 18 - in a Premiership squad. He is a goalscoring midfielder (something Wales lack). Is he any good? Maybe not but I'd like to bloody well find out! Giggs and even Coleman would have played Harris by now. I just do not understand Page. That second half performance was dire. What reason on earth did he have not to have a look at him? Come off it, even by your standards this is ridiculous, laughable, illogical, OTT nonsense |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Oct 11, 2023 21:09:04 GMT
I would agree that it would have good to see Harris and Beck given some game time, but you're making far too much of the situation. And why the need to diss Sheehan and Bradshaw? They did little wrong, and nothing to justify writing them off.
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Post by fiveattheback on Oct 11, 2023 21:24:54 GMT
Hell of an over reaction fair play It's a bit strange to call Beck and Harris up from the u21s and not play them Harris especially, he's travelled all over Europe without a minute of gametime, surely give him a cap? |
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Post by ddirpytnop on Oct 11, 2023 21:24:54 GMT
Hell of an over reaction fair play Maybe but every other nation would blood the younger, promising player in a game like that. All due respect but Bradshaw and Sheehan have not done very much and are a million miles from international quality. What is the point? Wayne gets a game where there is no point but to reward him from always turning up - well its more productive and rational to reward a young, promising player with a game for turning up, especially when you could learn something about them. First half was decent but the second half was clueless. What if something happened to Harry Wilson? Why on earth risk him? Even Dan James - why - just to ensure an insecure manager makes sure he gets a comfortable win? Having watched Luke Harris play for the u21s recently, he's not yet ready to step to senior level in my opinion. |
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Post by hooky on Oct 11, 2023 21:35:22 GMT
Saw the last 35mins of that at home (first half on mobile) and it was awful Gibralter were below National League standard. I hope people see that Bradshaw and Sheehan were not even better than the level they were playing against Is Harris totally crap? Otherwise why not see what he can do in a match like like. Page is totally useless - the second half begged for some energy. Can't believe we are stuck with him. I will be beyond angry if somehow we lose Harris and he turns out to be a great player because the man management of him is non-existent - why on earth does he get zero minutes against the worst team in the world when we are playing third choice players in certain positions, when he has even had a few minutes off the bench in the Premier League Bradshaw 31 - very average player and his best years are behind him Sheehan 28 - plays in the third division - his level. Not much energy, passed the ball sideways a maximum of 2cm and lost out physically several times Harris 18 - in a Premiership squad. He is a goalscoring midfielder (something Wales lack). Is he any good? Maybe not but I'd like to bloody well find out! Giggs and even Coleman would have played Harris by now. I just do not understand Page. That second half performance was dire. What reason on earth did he have not to have a look at him? Come off it, even by your standards this is ridiculous, laughable, illogical, OTT nonsense Did you think that second half was great? Do you think those players played well or have done much of note in their careers. Every time I have watched them they have been average. I know Bradshaw has had goalscoring purple patches but he has never looked anywhere near the level required. Sure we should play them if needed and they will give everything but in a game like this - we should be having a look at youngsters too. Giggs did that and Toshack did that to an extreme - and we saw the rewards. Unfortunately I think Page is focused on self survival - making sure there are enough experienced heads so he gets a result against a truly dreadful team. No way should James or Wilson have played tonight - as they are getting game time with their clubs - I think that was to ensure the result went the right way in James' case but have no idea why he'd risk Wilson. I can understand playing Moore, Davies and Neco (who looked poor tonight) as they needed game time. Sorry just my opinion. Just think Page is doing things differently to what our previous managers did and I think there should be more of an eye on the future in games like this . |
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Post by dai on Oct 11, 2023 21:55:30 GMT
Owen Beck & Luke Harris will travel with the 21s tomorrow to Czech Republic.
Not sure why they needed to be with the seniors at all??
However I;'d imagine Savage has jumped in front of Harris in the pecking order after tonight.
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Post by hooky on Oct 11, 2023 21:58:56 GMT
Owen Beck & Luke Harris will travel with the 21s tomorrow to Czech Republic. Not sure why they needed to be with the seniors at all?? However I;'d imagine Savage has jumped in front of Harris in the pecking order after tonight. Well its always good to get the opportunity to showcase your talents isn't it! One of the two can say that ..... |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 11, 2023 22:08:49 GMT
*My match review*
General thoughts;
An electric first half after we settled into things. A shame re: Burns injury but we really came to life when DJ came on as a wing-back. That DJ-Moore link up is one of our best relationships in the squad. 2nd half we had less flow due to the subs and the fact the game was wrapped up. We also had less to aim for without Moore, and Gibraltar were just sitting deep engaging in damage control, so the lack of goals in the 2nd half isn't of concern. However, it feels like a missed opportunity to give Harris & Beck minutes - I was excited to see them play so that was a let down after Page hinted they would get minutes
Notable performances;
DJ (LWB) - He was brilliant, and this performance confirms what I and a few others have suggested for a while. He can play the role. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't chuck him into that role against Croatia. However, when we play the likes of Latvia in the future I'd like to see him there, because we get his quality out wide and can play another forward like Brennan inside him
Moore (ST) - Makes us much better against deep sitting opposition as a target man. 12th goal in 36 games (1 in 3) and 4 goals away from top 10 all time scorers. Hope he plays out the rest of his career as a top Championship player, and I can honestly see him getting as many as 20 goals for us before he retires
Savage (CM) - Thought he was excellent tonight and controlled the game in the middle. 1 assist, 94% pass accuracy, 27 passes into final third. Obviously a game against Gibraltar isn't the hardest test, but this performance certainly warrants him another chance against the next step up in opposition. I feel like I'd rather see him given a go than Levitt at this point
Poole (RCB) - I think he will go under the radar a bit but looked completely at home at the back, I don't think Gibraltar did anything down his side and he was very comfortable on the ball. Ultimately none of the backline were really tested but I think we should be keeping him in the squad
Low (CB) - He's a very similar style CB to Rodon, and I think he'd make a good deputy moving forwards. Another one I'd be happy to see given more chances
Broadhead (LF) - Thought he showed good quality for his goal. Not his best performance overall, I don't think he'll be pushing for a starting spot, but he now has as many international goals as Brennan. So I think it's clear he has an eye for goal. The only goal today that wasn't a cross-header
Less notable performances;
Cullen (RF) - Showed a couple of moments of tidy passing around the edge of the box, but was definitely quieter than some. Ultimately he doesn't excite me as a player. I think someone like Mullin offers more than him in terms of physicality, personality and goal threat, and I don't think today Cullen showed enough for me to want to see more of him in future
Bradshaw (ST) - Obviously he's not the same focal point as Moore, but because of that you want to see him snatch some of those half chances that he didn't put away today. Against better opposition I can't see him getting too much joy, and I think Mullin would be busier and more able to create things than him
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Post by surge on Oct 11, 2023 22:28:43 GMT
Think it was important to take a game to Wrecsam and Charlie Savage's gran being there (first time out-out since covid apparently) is one of the highlights of the night. Ultimately these lads are representing themselves, their loved ones and us to make up that red shirt.
I don't think we learnt as much as we did in the Korea game, but a few thoughts:
1. We look more dangerous with Kieffer Moore up top but he can't carry on forever. We need to know what the next plan is for getting goals.
2. Broadhead took his goal very well. Ben Davies did too and put in a real captain's performance. Low and Poole also put in good showings to climb the depth chart.
3. Gutting for Wes Burns and hope it's nothing too bad.
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Post by quetzal on Oct 12, 2023 1:08:40 GMT
Job done first half. Could have been 7! Move on to next game. 15 years ago we might have struggled to break them down.
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Post by talyfan on Oct 12, 2023 8:44:18 GMT
Reasons to be positive. Looked as though good run out and Page seen a few of the lads on the fringes up close and personal.
We could have a trio of Jordan James, Ampadu and Charlie Savage in the not so distant future!
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 12, 2023 8:57:21 GMT
I think we need to go with the likes of JJ & Savage moving forward. They have the higher ceilings than Morrell. I'm fine having Morrell as a squad player & think we can trust him when we need to, but the other two are clearly more talented
Suddenly our CM options aren't looking so dire
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Post by vvm on Oct 12, 2023 9:58:13 GMT
I think we need to go with the likes of JJ & Savage moving forward. They have the higher ceilings than Morrell. I'm fine having Morrell as a squad player & think we can trust him when we need to, but the other two are clearly more talented Suddenly our CM options aren't looking so dire I'd agree with that sentiment. I don't mind Morrell, he's generally a consistent 6/10, occasionally maybe a 7/10 but I'd say he's hit his ceiling. Savage and James could be premier league quality in the future. Morrell will be a useful option in the meantime though. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 12, 2023 12:33:20 GMT
Who took the captain's armband when Davies went off last night? Was it Lockyer?
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Post by kingstonred on Oct 12, 2023 13:07:03 GMT
Who took the captain's armband when Davies went off last night? Was it Lockyer? Hennessey |
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Post by zserty on Oct 12, 2023 19:04:06 GMT
Only two issues for me.
1. Dan James should have been given less minutes to keep on top of his niggles and kept fresh for Sunday.
2. Beck or Harris could've been given some minutes.
Apart from those small issues a pretty standard friendly. The real game is Sunday.
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