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Post by jbt95 on Sept 26, 2023 22:32:56 GMT
Probably remembering this wrong but I swear I remember the Trinidad and Tobago game selling out fairly quickly. Agree it's not really cause for alarm but over 4 years since the last game in Wrexham, I expected this to sell fairly quickly. Yeah I am sure it sold out straight away. |
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Post by aberbeeg on Sept 27, 2023 7:25:42 GMT
Probably remembering this wrong but I swear I remember the Trinidad and Tobago game selling out fairly quickly. Agree it's not really cause for alarm but over 4 years since the last game in Wrexham, I expected this to sell fairly quickly. Yeah I am sure it sold out straight away. The way a lot of people have jumped on the Wrexham bandwagon I thought this would sell out ( capacity 10k?)in a heartbeat. Maybe the feel good factor around Welsh football has dropped more significantly tha we think. |
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Post by underwood on Sept 27, 2023 11:52:00 GMT
In such a small capacity stadium, sold out in a heartbeat, sold out on the day of the game, or 200 tickets left unsold near as makes no difference.
If the stadium was half empty I would be concerned & more so if the Croatia game had 10,000 left unsold, but it’s not the case, both will be as good as sold out.
The feelgood factor is not what it was certainly, but we are still a big enough draw as long as we are in contention.
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Post by turkpower on Oct 3, 2023 9:03:57 GMT
Cymru hoping to play a friendly against Argentina in the Principality or Patagonia. The latter would be a hell of a trip.
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Post by saturn9 on Oct 3, 2023 9:26:47 GMT
Cymru hoping to play a friendly against Argentina in the Principality or Patagonia. The latter would be a hell of a trip. Think Argentina were looking at the Saes or Portugal, according to a great source of all things Arg FOOTBALL I follow on twitter. |
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Post by Belle Vue on Oct 3, 2023 12:44:08 GMT
Mooney talking through his rear again !
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Post by manulike on Oct 3, 2023 12:53:38 GMT
Argentina would be lovely, but I'd settle for a game against Panama. A Tom Lawrence come-back maybe :+)
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 4, 2023 0:18:10 GMT
Evans
Poole-Cabango-Turns
Burns-Morrell-Sheehan-Huggins
L.Harris
Mullin-Cullen
Who says no?
Last time we played at Cae Ras we had a debut for Vaulks, and first starts for Hedges, George Thomas & Lee Evans. We also saw appearances for Woodburn, Dummett, James Lawrence, Declan John, Adam Davies, Tyler Roberts & Rabbi Matondo. What a different time that was!
Would like to see a similar amount of experimentation but I doubt it will be quite that interesting!
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Post by iot on Oct 4, 2023 8:27:23 GMT
Evans Poole-Cabango-Turns Burns-Morrell-Sheehan-Huggins L.Harris Mullin-Cullen Who says no? Last time we played at Cae Ras we had a debut for Vaulks, and first starts for Hedges, George Thomas & Lee Evans. We also saw appearances for Woodburn, Dummett, James Lawrence, Declan John, Adam Davies, Tyler Roberts & Rabbi Matondo. What a different time that was! Would like to see a similar amount of experimentation but I doubt it will be quite that interesting! Presumably there are important u21 qualifiers at the same time. I suspect the preference will be to keep Turns and Harris in that side while they're in a decent position to achieve something. Think that will be more beneficial than playing them in a B side. I really don’t think Owain Evans will ever be the answer from everything I know about him, so I wouldn’t go down that route personally. |
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Post by bringbackelmo on Oct 4, 2023 9:07:57 GMT
Squad is out. No Mullin!
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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Oct 4, 2023 9:20:02 GMT
For Gibraltar I’d go for:
Ward
Burns Poole Mepham Cabango Beck
Savage Sheehan
Harris
Bradshaw Cullen
Bring on anyone who needs minutes.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Oct 4, 2023 9:22:50 GMT
For Gibraltar I’d go for: Ward Burns Poole Mepham Cabango Beck Savage Sheehan Harris Bradshaw Cullen Bring on anyone who needs minutes. Honestly, these friendlies being the only games we get up north are a fucking joke. |
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Post by njdragon on Oct 4, 2023 9:24:53 GMT
got to try out a centre back pairing of Lockyer and rodon/meps/cabango
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 4, 2023 9:29:25 GMT
For Gibraltar I’d go for: Ward Burns Poole Mepham Cabango Beck Savage Sheehan Harris Bradshaw Cullen Bring on anyone who needs minutes. I think it will be Levitt-Sheehan and Savage will get a cameo but the rest I agree with |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 4, 2023 9:30:47 GMT
For Gibraltar I’d go for: Ward Burns Poole Mepham Cabango Beck Savage Sheehan Harris Bradshaw Cullen Bring on anyone who needs minutes. Honestly, these friendlies being the only games we get up north are a fucking joke. Once the new stand is finished I'd be willing to bet that we'll take some Nations League games up there. I'd like to see a whole Nations League campaign conducted in Wrecsam personally, but obviously that will be a few years away now |
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Post by jbt95 on Oct 4, 2023 9:35:58 GMT
Honestly, these friendlies being the only games we get up north are a fucking joke. Once the new stand is finished I'd be willing to bet that we'll take some Nations League games up there. I'd like to see a whole Nations League campaign conducted in Wrecsam personally, but obviously that will be a few years away now No chance of having 3 games in Wrexham! we are getting crowds that justify playing at the CCS. I’d take a Monday, Tuesday or Thursday night League B game there. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 4, 2023 9:57:27 GMT
Once the new stand is finished I'd be willing to bet that we'll take some Nations League games up there. I'd like to see a whole Nations League campaign conducted in Wrecsam personally, but obviously that will be a few years away now No chance of having 3 games in Wrexham! we are getting crowds that justify playing at the CCS. I’d take a Monday, Tuesday or Thursday night League B game there. I'd be surprised if we sold out all of our Nations League B games in the CCS. Our last campaign in League B where crowds weren't affected by COVID-19 was the inaugural one; Ireland 25k Denmark 32k Then there was our League A campaign; Netherlands 23k Belgium 27k Poland 31k It's clear people aren't as bothered about the early games, but want to see the big final game if it's us avoiding relegation or challenging for promotion. Otherwise it seems to hover around the 25k mark which isn't a sell-out. That might be less on the back of a failed Euro campaign too Maybe we could play our first two of the campaign in Wrecsam to sell out crowds, where the faithful Gogs can watch the competitive games they deserve to have. And then we can finish the campaign in Cardiff in front of a sell-out crowd |
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Post by jbt95 on Oct 4, 2023 10:04:23 GMT
No chance of having 3 games in Wrexham! we are getting crowds that justify playing at the CCS. I’d take a Monday, Tuesday or Thursday night League B game there. I'd be surprised if we sold out all of our Nations League B games in the CCS. Our last campaign in League B where crowds weren't affected by COVID-19 was the inaugural one; Ireland 25k Denmark 32k Then there was our League A campaign; Netherlands 23k Belgium 27k Poland 31k It's clear people aren't as bothered about the early games, but want to see the big final game if it's us avoiding relegation or challenging for promotion. Otherwise it seems to hover around the 25k mark which isn't a sell-out. That might be less on the back of a failed Euro campaign too Maybe we could play our first two of the campaign in Wrecsam to sell out crowds, where the faithful Gogs can watch the competitive games they deserve to have. And then we can finish the campaign in Cardiff in front of a sell-out crowd I see your points but you have to remember v ROI a lot of people were sceptical as to what the nations league was. I was disappointed by our June crowds last year especially on the back of qualification, however we did have 3 games within a week. Cost of living crisis etc. The FAW will look at it on a cost basis too. If they move to Wrexham that’s going to cost them a lot of dough in lost ticket sales and then the logistics of getting the team up there from base at the Vale. Like I say, take a school night game there by all means. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 4, 2023 10:26:08 GMT
I'd be surprised if we sold out all of our Nations League B games in the CCS. Our last campaign in League B where crowds weren't affected by COVID-19 was the inaugural one; Ireland 25k Denmark 32k Then there was our League A campaign; Netherlands 23k Belgium 27k Poland 31k It's clear people aren't as bothered about the early games, but want to see the big final game if it's us avoiding relegation or challenging for promotion. Otherwise it seems to hover around the 25k mark which isn't a sell-out. That might be less on the back of a failed Euro campaign too Maybe we could play our first two of the campaign in Wrecsam to sell out crowds, where the faithful Gogs can watch the competitive games they deserve to have. And then we can finish the campaign in Cardiff in front of a sell-out crowd I see your points but you have to remember v ROI a lot of people were sceptical as to what the nations league was. I was disappointed by our June crowds last year especially on the back of qualification, however we did have 3 games within a week. Cost of living crisis etc. The FAW will look at it on a cost basis too. If they move to Wrexham that’s going to cost them a lot of dough in lost ticket sales and then the logistics of getting the team up there from base at the Vale. Like I say, take a school night game there by all means. In my opinion not everything should be about money. I believe we should operate on the basis that we have a very committed fan base in the north who, due to the poor state of travel infrastructure, put in huge amount of effort to watch games live. Giving them opportunities to watch competitive games closer to home as a reward is a small but significant acknowledgement of that, and I'd be happy for us to take a small loss of revenue to do that If everything always becomes about money then we lose something imo |
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Post by jbt95 on Oct 4, 2023 10:35:46 GMT
I see your points but you have to remember v ROI a lot of people were sceptical as to what the nations league was. I was disappointed by our June crowds last year especially on the back of qualification, however we did have 3 games within a week. Cost of living crisis etc. The FAW will look at it on a cost basis too. If they move to Wrexham that’s going to cost them a lot of dough in lost ticket sales and then the logistics of getting the team up there from base at the Vale. Like I say, take a school night game there by all means. In my opinion not everything should be about money. I believe we should operate on the basis that we have a very committed fan base in the north who, due to the poor state of travel infrastructure, put in huge amount of effort to watch games live. Giving them opportunities to watch competitive games closer to home as a reward is a small but significant acknowledgement of that, and I'd be happy for us to take a small loss of revenue to do that If everything always becomes about money then we lose something imo Noel Mooney wants to put ticket prices up again! No way will he want us to lose money. Yes it shouldn’t be about money but it often is, and in football, it usually always is! |
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Post by iot on Oct 4, 2023 10:56:16 GMT
For Gibraltar I’d go for: Ward Burns Poole Mepham Cabango Beck Savage Sheehan Harris Bradshaw Cullen Bring on anyone who needs minutes. Honestly, these friendlies being the only games we get up north are a fucking joke. Controversial opinion, but although there's a hardcore group of fans in the north, I think it's no more than 3 to 5 thousand and with that in mind, I think the level of demand shown when games are played up there shows why we don't do it more often. There's only been around 7 thousand sold in the Cae Ras. Yes I know - it's a friendly against Gibraltar, but given how rarely games are played up north you wouldn't have thought that selling out a 10 thousand seater would be too much of an issue. I can't see the justification for moving qualifiers when the players want to play at CCS and when the current capacity at y Cae Ras just isn't large enough. I would have liked to have seen one of the Summer Nations League games played there, although I have know idea whether the stadium was available at the time. |
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Post by iot on Oct 4, 2023 11:00:16 GMT
In my opinion not everything should be about money. I believe we should operate on the basis that we have a very committed fan base in the north who, due to the poor state of travel infrastructure, put in huge amount of effort to watch games live. Giving them opportunities to watch competitive games closer to home as a reward is a small but significant acknowledgement of that, and I'd be happy for us to take a small loss of revenue to do that If everything always becomes about money then we lose something imo Noel Mooney wants to put ticket prices up again! No way will he want us to lose money. Yes it shouldn’t be about money but it often is, and in football, it usually always is! And the point Mooney makes, which is a fair one imo, is that if they don't make money from these games then they don't have it to invest in grassroots. He's said that we're not going to make any money from this game coming up in Wrecsam, and that's with ticket prices at £28. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 4, 2023 11:20:09 GMT
Noel Mooney wants to put ticket prices up again! No way will he want us to lose money. Yes it shouldn’t be about money but it often is, and in football, it usually always is! And the point Mooney makes, which is a fair one imo, is that if they don't make money from these games then they don't have it to invest in grassroots. He's said that we're not going to make any money from this game coming up in Wrecsam, and that's with ticket prices at £28. Surely that means that charging £35-40 at 16k capacity would generate some money then? It won't be as much as the CCS but would be some money |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Oct 4, 2023 11:22:27 GMT
Honestly, these friendlies being the only games we get up north are a fucking joke. Controversial opinion, but although there's a hardcore group of fans in the north, I think it's no more than 3 to 5 thousand and with that in mind, I think the level of demand shown when games are played up there shows why we don't do it more often. There's only been around 7 thousand sold in the Cae Ras. Yes I know - it's a friendly against Gibraltar, but given how rarely games are played up north you wouldn't have thought that selling out a 10 thousand seater would be too much of an issue. I can't see the justification for moving qualifiers when the players want to play at CCS and when the current capacity at y Cae Ras just isn't large enough. I would have liked to have seen one of the Summer Nations League games played there, although I have know idea whether the stadium was available at the time. A friendly against Gibraltar, where we'll effectively field a League One standard side where tickets are the best part of £30 isn't indicative of appetite for Welsh football up here. If we had a nations league game up here, people would be clamouring for tickets. 3-5000 is probably right if you're talking the number of supporters who will back us no matter what, and that is comfortably over half of what the number is down south. Once we get the kop built, it's time to bring some competetive games back up here. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 4, 2023 11:33:10 GMT
Honestly, these friendlies being the only games we get up north are a fucking joke. Controversial opinion, but although there's a hardcore group of fans in the north, I think it's no more than 3 to 5 thousand and with that in mind, I think the level of demand shown when games are played up there shows why we don't do it more often. There's only been around 7 thousand sold in the Cae Ras. Yes I know - it's a friendly against Gibraltar, but given how rarely games are played up north you wouldn't have thought that selling out a 10 thousand seater would be too much of an issue. I can't see the justification for moving qualifiers when the players want to play at CCS and when the current capacity at y Cae Ras just isn't large enough. I would have liked to have seen one of the Summer Nations League games played there, although I have know idea whether the stadium was available at the time. If we use friendlies to justify an area's appetite for matches then Cardiff clearly doesn't want any Wales games Panama 2017: 13k Belarus 2019: 7k Czechia 2022: 12k S.Korea 2023: 13k Obviously that's a silly rationale. If we played Nations League games in Cae Ra's it's a guaranteed sell out, especially with the new stand |
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Post by vvm on Oct 4, 2023 11:46:45 GMT
This is going to be exactly like the Trinidad and Tobago game isn't it. I can see myself regretting going to this but just can't resist.
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Post by iot on Oct 4, 2023 12:28:17 GMT
Controversial opinion, but although there's a hardcore group of fans in the north, I think it's no more than 3 to 5 thousand and with that in mind, I think the level of demand shown when games are played up there shows why we don't do it more often. There's only been around 7 thousand sold in the Cae Ras. Yes I know - it's a friendly against Gibraltar, but given how rarely games are played up north you wouldn't have thought that selling out a 10 thousand seater would be too much of an issue. I can't see the justification for moving qualifiers when the players want to play at CCS and when the current capacity at y Cae Ras just isn't large enough. I would have liked to have seen one of the Summer Nations League games played there, although I have know idea whether the stadium was available at the time. A friendly against Gibraltar, where we'll effectively field a League One standard side where tickets are the best part of £30 isn't indicative of appetite for Welsh football up here. If we had a nations league game up here, people would be clamouring for tickets. 3-5000 is probably right if you're talking the number of supporters who will back us no matter what, and that is comfortably over half of what the number is down south. Once we get the kop built, it's time to bring some competetive games back up here. It could be argued that this is the best indication of the demand in the north for Welsh internationals in and of itself, because those attending will be going specifically for that reason, and not drawn by the glamour of the opposition or the occasion. The point is, there's always a lot of noise about the lack Welsh games up north and it's made out that there is a massive appetite for it. Were that the case, I don't think we would be seeing just 7 thousand tickets sold around a month since they first became available (even with the barriers you described in mind). So as unpopular as this is to say, I think the perceived demand for Welsh internationals in the north (and thus the injustice of holding so many in the south) is exaggerated. |
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Post by iot on Oct 4, 2023 12:32:13 GMT
Controversial opinion, but although there's a hardcore group of fans in the north, I think it's no more than 3 to 5 thousand and with that in mind, I think the level of demand shown when games are played up there shows why we don't do it more often. There's only been around 7 thousand sold in the Cae Ras. Yes I know - it's a friendly against Gibraltar, but given how rarely games are played up north you wouldn't have thought that selling out a 10 thousand seater would be too much of an issue. I can't see the justification for moving qualifiers when the players want to play at CCS and when the current capacity at y Cae Ras just isn't large enough. I would have liked to have seen one of the Summer Nations League games played there, although I have know idea whether the stadium was available at the time. If we use friendlies to justify an area's appetite for matches then Cardiff clearly doesn't want any Wales games Panama 2017: 13k Belarus 2019: 7k Czechia 2022: 12k S.Korea 2023: 13k Obviously that's a silly rationale. If we played Nations League games in Cae Ra's it's a guaranteed sell out, especially with the new stand Context is key, see my previous post. The north has seen very little international football over the last couple of decades (which is obviously not the case in Cardiff), so if the perceived desperation for internationals to return were true then I think we'd see more than 7k sales, even for a friendly against Gibraltar. It's an opportunity to see Wales play at y Cae Ras - that should be the draw. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Oct 4, 2023 12:36:21 GMT
A friendly against Gibraltar, where we'll effectively field a League One standard side where tickets are the best part of £30 isn't indicative of appetite for Welsh football up here. If we had a nations league game up here, people would be clamouring for tickets. 3-5000 is probably right if you're talking the number of supporters who will back us no matter what, and that is comfortably over half of what the number is down south. Once we get the kop built, it's time to bring some competetive games back up here. It could be argued that this is the best indication of the demand in the north for Welsh internationals in and of itself, because those attending will be going specifically for that reason, and not drawn by the glamour of the opposition or the occasion. The point is, there's always a lot of noise about the lack Welsh games up north and it's made out that there is a massive appetite for it. Were that the case, I don't think we would be seeing just 7 thousand tickets sold around a month since they first became available (even with the barriers you described in mind). So as unpopular as this is to say, I think the perceived demand for Welsh internationals in the north (and thus the injustice of holding so many in the south) is exaggerated. The game's sold out. What are the chances the same game in Cardiff would have sold 10k tickets? Virtually none I'd say. Fans up here are feeding off the scraps the FAW is giving us. Besides, if the appetite isn't in the North as you're keen to argue, why should that stop us from bringing more games up here? Should we not be looking to grow the fanbase rather than alienate those who do bother travelling more? I'm speaking as somebody who is currently travelling less and less to home games by the way as I'm already feeling alienated. |
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Post by iot on Oct 4, 2023 12:50:03 GMT
It could be argued that this is the best indication of the demand in the north for Welsh internationals in and of itself, because those attending will be going specifically for that reason, and not drawn by the glamour of the opposition or the occasion. The point is, there's always a lot of noise about the lack Welsh games up north and it's made out that there is a massive appetite for it. Were that the case, I don't think we would be seeing just 7 thousand tickets sold around a month since they first became available (even with the barriers you described in mind). So as unpopular as this is to say, I think the perceived demand for Welsh internationals in the north (and thus the injustice of holding so many in the south) is exaggerated. The game's sold out. What are the chances the same game in Cardiff would have sold 10k tickets? Virtually none I'd say. Fans up here are feeding off the scraps the FAW is giving us. Besides, if the appetite isn't in the North as you're keen to argue, why should that stop us from bringing more games up here? Should we not be looking to grow the fanbase rather than alienate those who do bother travelling more? I'm speaking as somebody who is currently travelling less and less to home games by the way as I'm already feeling alienated. 'if the appetite isn't in the North as you're keen to argue, why should that stop us from bringing more games up here? Should we not be looking to grow the fanbase rather than alienate those who do bother travelling more?' It shouldn't. I think it's right that this game is played in Wrecsam. I think ideally one of the nations league games would have been played in Wrecsam too (although I seem to have a vague memory that it wasn't possible at the time). My only point is that people are always keen to say that the north is hard done by because the demand is not being catered for, but the evidence of that demand (beyond the 3-5k hardcore) is pretty weak. Certainly a case can be made for holding more games in Wrecsam to build demand and ensure we take the game closer to everyone throughout the country, but that has to be balanced against several other factors - primarily, what gives us the greatest chance of success directly on the field and through maximising the commercial opportunity to invest in the wider game. I only commented because you described the current situation as a joke, but I think there are good reasons which are usually not appreciated or just ignored in favour of bringing out the more popular line of how hard-done by the north is. |
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