Cymru v Armenia

[robwrecsam]

As bad as anything I’ve watched, club or country.

[aberbeeg]

We’ve gone backwards at a rate of knots under Page. Please please please FAW realise what direction we are heading before it’s too late.

“Robby page Sunday pub team”. He’s worse than booby Gould ffs

[gruffudd]

The support will melt away, the North will get their wish with 5k at the racecourse, the old guard will also get to enjoy 200 away in the remote corners Europe again. This will only be changed by the emergence of another, to rebuild the red wall.

[janglingjack]

I'm a swans fan but let's be fair rodon is a donkey,nowhere near international class,fact he hasn;t hardly played doesn't help.but let's be fair he just hasn't got what a top class player needs,hope i am proved wrong,ampadu too,if either of them play 50 starts in any premier league team in the next five years you can private message ne and i'll give everyone of you ten pounds

[zserty]

Jun 16, 2023 20:55:48 GMT bringbackelmo said:

Thought I'd check in and see how we're doing but I might leave it til the dust has settled.

First 10 I thought we were going to stuff them (and we arguably should have been 3 up).

Rest of it, what can you say?

Rodon the biggest disappointment in a shocking defence. Has to be dropped for me. Not solely to blame but it wasn't good, at all.

Only Rob Page could coach top level players to such a poor standard. What a waste, Germany wouldve been a fantastic trip.

[abwales]

Crappy Page out.

[mrpicton79]

Jun 16, 2023 20:50:57 GMT dai said:

I reckon we've imploded more times under Page than Gould now. That should be enough to see him move on, but he wont be going anywhere.

Might be going too far there. We were a complete shambles under Gould throughout. We have at least been somewhat competitive under Page, until now.

[dai]

Jun 16, 2023 21:08:04 GMT mrpicton79 said:

Jun 16, 2023 20:50:57 GMT dai said:

I reckon we've imploded more times under Page than Gould now. That should be enough to see him move on, but he wont be going anywhere.

Might be going too far there. We were a complete shambles under Gould throughout. We have at least been somewhat competitive under Page, until now.

Maybe a consistent shambles, but the amount of games where we've completely lost the plot is more. I don't remember these sort of bombing performances.

[gruffudd]

Jun 16, 2023 21:08:04 GMT mrpicton79 said:

Jun 16, 2023 20:50:57 GMT dai said:

I reckon we've imploded more times under Page than Gould now. That should be enough to see him move on, but he wont be going anywhere.

Might be going too far there. We were a complete shambles under Gould throughout. We have at least been somewhat competitive under Page, until now.

Yer training in a prison, manager designing the strip, kicking RS out if squad then crumbling under player power, getting his head kicked in by JH, playing LOW sides, can't get that bad.

[allezlesrouges]

Jun 16, 2023 20:43:37 GMT dai said:

I dont want to say I told you so, but I have been bangin the drum for ages about how poor we are under Page.

I think the fact that you've been banging the drum for ages shows that you're not very good at calling it, because you've only just been "proven right" tonight. Anyone can come on here and bleat and moan about how bad we are when we win and then say I told you so after the first bad result

Undeniably poor tonight, and the perennial moaners finally get what they want after ages of unjustified moaning

Also there are people here who said Page out after we beat Latvia 1-0 because it was too boring. You all got your wish for a better attacking performance, so you're all happy right? Just goes to show some people won't be happy unless we spank everyone 5-0. I've got no time for anyone who expects that, or who just moan forever and ever and hope to be right eventually

Some constructive criticism is due, but guess what - if we beat Turkey on Monday we're back on track. I'm as gutted as all of you but let's look to what we can do differently rather than just abng the same tired old drum of "Page out", ain't gunna happen until we're mathematically out of it so you might as well save it

[hooky]

It was like they had never ever played together and had taken sleeping tablets before the match

[talyfan]

Still don't know the game plan.

Out from the back one two passes and then lump it to Kieffer or Dan James to get on the end of it?

Page is very Solsjkaer-esque reliant on moment of individual brilliance or errors from opponents to bail him out and make up for his shortcomings. No tactics just vibes.

[mrpicton79]

Jun 16, 2023 21:09:18 GMT dai said:

Jun 16, 2023 21:08:04 GMT mrpicton79 said:

Might be going too far there. We were a complete shambles under Gould throughout. We have at least been somewhat competitive under Page, until now.

Maybe a consistent shambles, but the amount of games where we've completely lost the plot is more. I don't remember these sort of bombing performances.

To be fair we weren't close to qualifying so we weren't playing the top sides anywhere near as much back then. No nightmare Nations League groups to deal with either.

[gruffudd]

Jun 16, 2023 21:11:35 GMT allezlesrouges said:

Jun 16, 2023 20:43:37 GMT dai said:

I dont want to say I told you so, but I have been bangin the drum for ages about how poor we are under Page.

I think the fact that you've been banging the drum for ages shows that you're not very good at calling it, because you've only just been "proven right" tonight. Anyone can come on here and bleat and moan about how bad we are when we win and then say I told you so after the first bad result

Undeniably poor tonight, and the perennial moaners finally get what they want after ages of unjustified moaning

Also there are people here who said Page out after we beat Latvia 1-0 because it was too boring. You all got your wish for a better attacking performance, so you're all happy right? Just goes to show some people won't be happy unless we spank everyone 5-0. I've got no time for anyone who expects that, or who just moan forever and ever and hope to be right eventually

Some constructive criticism is due, but guess what - if we beat Turkey on Monday we're back on track. I'm as gutted as all of you but let's look to what we can do differently rather than just abng the same tired old drum of "Page out", ain't gunna happen until we're mathematically out of it so you might as well save it

Until we are mathematical out of it, I ain't heard or said that for a long time. But we ain't out if it yet, point in 🦃 and who knows. Not out of it mathematically yet.

[dai]

Jun 16, 2023 21:11:35 GMT allezlesrouges said:

Jun 16, 2023 20:43:37 GMT dai said:

I dont want to say I told you so, but I have been bangin the drum for ages about how poor we are under Page.

I think the fact that you've been banging the drum for ages shows that you're not very good at calling it, because you've only just been "proven right" tonight. Anyone can come on here and bleat and moan about how bad we are when we win and then say I told you so after the first bad result

Undeniably poor tonight, and the perennial moaners finally get what they want after ages of unjustified moaning

Also there are people here who said Page out after we beat Latvia 1-0 because it was too boring. You all got your wish for a better attacking performance, so you're all happy right? Just goes to show some people won't be happy unless we spank everyone 5-0. I've got no time for anyone who expects that, or who just moan forever and ever and hope to be right eventually

Some constructive criticism is due, but guess what - if we beat Turkey on Monday we're back on track. I'm as gutted as all of you but let's look to what we can do differently rather than just abng the same tired old drum of "Page out", ain't gunna happen until we're mathematically out of it so you might as well save it

Proven right tonight? I said before the WC we were going to be shambolic, and what happened?

Tbh, I hope we don't beat Turkey and Page goes. It's become painful watching us play under Page. Armenia, a team ranked 60 places or whatever below us were passing the ball around us like a top 10 side. 

There's nothing we can do differently, because Page can't do anything differently. He talks a good talk, but backs nothing up. He said he'd learnt from the WC, nope. He said we won't have any retirements soon, Bale, Allen and Jonny go. Then there's the issues with his communications (or lack of) with clubs. The guy is completely out of his depth, and it looks like he's just an FAW yes man. Embarrassing. 

Anyway, I think I need a hiatus from Welsh football. I've always been a country before club guy, but having jumped on Wrexhams bandwagon this season, it's an absolute joy to watch them. We just don't look like we enjoy playing out there anymore. Players look unhappy and angry. There's very little hwyl. Ultimately, that comes down to the manager and his influence.

[llyn]

It's the play offs or nothing for us if we lose on Monday.

[hooky]

Jun 16, 2023 21:14:41 GMT mrpicton79 said:

Jun 16, 2023 21:09:18 GMT dai said:

Maybe a consistent shambles, but the amount of games where we've completely lost the plot is more. I don't remember these sort of bombing performances.

To be fair we weren't close to qualifying so we weren't playing the top sides anywhere near as much back then. No nightmare Nations League groups to deal with either.

Well forward to the past because it looks like we sure as hell aren't going to be anywhere near qualifying this time either

Croatia are streets ahead
Turkey have beaten both Latvia and Armenia away and will probably batter us on Monday
Armenia are better than us. We can't go on we have better players - we don't have a better team and they should beat us out here

We need a coaching masterclass and it is just not going to happen is it. I hope he has enough dignity to walk if we come 4th or 5th in the group. 

[gruffudd]

Jun 16, 2023 21:12:57 GMT talyfan said:

Still don't know the game plan.

Out from the back one two passes and then lump it to Kieffer or Dan James to get on the end of it?

Page is very Solsjkaer-esque reliant on moment of individual brilliance or errors from opponents to bail him out and make up for his shortcomings. No tactics just vibes.

Game plan is long throws, big guy and cross fingers, ironically the guy with the longest throw was Bale, what could that guy not do on a football pitch.

[hooky]

It is really boring watching Wales under Page.

When we were getting results because of one icon we tolerated it.

However, playing poorly, with the poor quality / poorly coached football and getting smashed is a step too far.

I wonder how we would have done under Giggs. He at least seemed to have a plan / understood football. Shame his terrible character took him out of the equation and left us with Page. Mad how a #2 inherits the earth so often. There is a reason someone is #2!

[dai]

Jun 16, 2023 21:11:29 GMT gruffudd said:

Jun 16, 2023 21:08:04 GMT mrpicton79 said:

Might be going too far there. We were a complete shambles under Gould throughout. We have at least been somewhat competitive under Page, until now.

Yer training in a prison, manager designing the strip, kicking RS out if squad then crumbling under player power, getting his head kicked in by JH, playing LOW sides, can't get that bad.

A lot of that is embarrassing PR stuff, which I agree was dreadful.  However in term of on the pitch stuff, there seems to be more calamities and and implosions now.

[allezlesrouges]

Jun 16, 2023 21:17:13 GMT dai said:

Jun 16, 2023 21:11:35 GMT allezlesrouges said:

I think the fact that you've been banging the drum for ages shows that you're not very good at calling it, because you've only just been "proven right" tonight. Anyone can come on here and bleat and moan about how bad we are when we win and then say I told you so after the first bad result

Undeniably poor tonight, and the perennial moaners finally get what they want after ages of unjustified moaning

Also there are people here who said Page out after we beat Latvia 1-0 because it was too boring. You all got your wish for a better attacking performance, so you're all happy right? Just goes to show some people won't be happy unless we spank everyone 5-0. I've got no time for anyone who expects that, or who just moan forever and ever and hope to be right eventually

Some constructive criticism is due, but guess what - if we beat Turkey on Monday we're back on track. I'm as gutted as all of you but let's look to what we can do differently rather than just abng the same tired old drum of "Page out", ain't gunna happen until we're mathematically out of it so you might as well save it

Proven right tonight? I said before the WC we were going to be shambolic, and what happened?

Tbh, I hope we don't beat Turkey and Page goes. It's become painful watching us play under Page. Armenia, a team ranked 60 places or whatever below us were passing the ball around us like a top 10 side. 

There's nothing we can do differently, because Page can't do anything differently. He talks a good talk, but backs nothing up. He said he'd learnt from the WC, nope. He said we won't have any retirements soon, Bale, Allen and Jonny go. Then there's the issues with his communications (or lack of) with clubs. The guy is completely out of his depth, and it looks like he's just an FAW yes man. Embarrassing. 

Anyway, I think may take a hiatus from Welsh football. I've always been a country before club guy, but having jumped on Wrexhams bandwagon this season, it's an absolute joy to watch them. We just don't look like we enjoy playing our there anymore. Players look unhappy and angry. There's very little hwyl. Ultimately, that comes down to the manager.

How can a real fan say that you hope we fail to beat Turkey? Sorry but that's just ridiculous

[jimexotic]

I'm really quite depressed after that, Brooks coming on and playing some lovely stuff at times is the only thing warming my heart

[allezlesrouges]

Jun 16, 2023 21:23:23 GMT hooky said:

It is really boring watching Wales under Page.

When we were getting results because of one icon we tolerated it.

However, playing poorly, with the poor quality / poorly coached football and getting smashed is a step too far.

I wonder how we would have done under Giggs. He at least seemed to have a plan / understood football. Shame his terrible character took him out of the equation and left us with Page. Mad how a #2 inherits the earth so often. There is a reason someone is #2!

Of all the things you can say about tonight's game it wasn't boring. If you're just here to watch an entertaining match then you got your wish tonight. I want to see Wales qualify for tournaments so obviously I hated what I saw in a defensive respect tonight - defence is the foundation for qualifying

We actually created a lot of chances tonight and scored enough goals to win that game with a normal defensive performance. I'm not actually that concerned about our attacking play it's the defence that was shambolic

[gruffudd]

Jun 16, 2023 21:25:24 GMT dai said:

Jun 16, 2023 21:11:29 GMT gruffudd said:

Yer training in a prison, manager designing the strip, kicking RS out if squad then crumbling under player power, getting his head kicked in by JH, playing LOW sides, can't get that bad.

A lot of that is embarrassing PR stuff, which I agree was dreadful.  However in term of on the pitch stuff, there seems to be more calamities and and implosions now.

In what way? What has been more embarrassing that the above. The undeniable truth is we have lost player we cannot replace. Page is doing what he can but is out of his depth, I like Page I love his passion, but we can still get something out of this group of players which is essentially a premiership 11.

[gruffudd]

Jun 16, 2023 21:33:23 GMT gruffudd said:

Jun 16, 2023 21:25:24 GMT dai said:

A lot of that is embarrassing PR stuff, which I agree was dreadful.  However in term of on the pitch stuff, there seems to be more calamities and and implosions now.

In what way? What has been more embarrassing that the above. The undeniable truth is we have lost player we cannot replace. Page is doing what he can but is out of his depth, I like Page I love his passion, but we can still get something out of this group of players which is essentially a premiership 11.

Tunisia 4-0, same day we lost 98 - 4 to SA in rugby if memory serves me correct.

[erasedcitizen]

Jun 16, 2023 21:11:35 GMT allezlesrouges said:

Jun 16, 2023 20:43:37 GMT dai said:

I dont want to say I told you so, but I have been bangin the drum for ages about how poor we are under Page.

I think the fact that you've been banging the drum for ages shows that you're not very good at calling it, because you've only just been "proven right" tonight. Anyone can come on here and bleat and moan about how bad we are when we win and then say I told you so after the first bad result

Undeniably poor tonight, and the perennial moaners finally get what they want after ages of unjustified moaning

Also there are people here who said Page out after we beat Latvia 1-0 because it was too boring. You all got your wish for a better attacking performance, so you're all happy right? Just goes to show some people won't be happy unless we spank everyone 5-0. I've got no time for anyone who expects that, or who just moan forever and ever and hope to be right eventually

Some constructive criticism is due, but guess what - if we beat Turkey on Monday we're back on track. I'm as gutted as all of you but let's look to what we can do differently rather than just abng the same tired old drum of "Page out", ain't gunna happen until we're mathematically out of it so you might as well save it

We aren't beating Turkey without a big dose of luck though, let's be honest.

I'm really hoping I'm wrong like, but that was the worst Wales performance I've witnessed. I can't unsee that.

Page? Where do we start tonight.

He switched Brennan from the right, where he was getting loads of joy, to the left where he barely saw the ball and his head dropped. Our attacks were fewer after that.

Joe Morrell for Ramsey, a player who can't get into a League One side, being chucked into an international match and looking unsurprisingly out of his depth and costing us a goal.

Rodon. He had the decency to at least bring him off but he shouldn't have been near that lineup. He's been off the boil for ages, there was no sense in picking him tonight. Was Page hoping for a resurrection of his previous days with us? Why is Cabango in the squad if he can't get in ahead of him?

Neco. Far from fit. Morgan Fox didn't see a minute of football tonight.

The man is way out of his depth and doesn't have the coaching staff that Giggs and Coleman had to pull him through. If we can afford to, it's time to start fresh. We haven't had two convincing performances under him.

[aberbeeg]

Jun 16, 2023 21:11:35 GMT allezlesrouges said:

Jun 16, 2023 20:43:37 GMT dai said:

I dont want to say I told you so, but I have been bangin the drum for ages about how poor we are under Page.

I think the fact that you've been banging the drum for ages shows that you're not very good at calling it, because you've only just been "proven right" tonight. Anyone can come on here and bleat and moan about how bad we are when we win and then say I told you so after the first bad result

Undeniably poor tonight, and the perennial moaners finally get what they want after ages of unjustified moaning

Also there are people here who said Page out after we beat Latvia 1-0 because it was too boring. You all got your wish for a better attacking performance, so you're all happy right? Just goes to show some people won't be happy unless we spank everyone 5-0. I've got no time for anyone who expects that, or who just moan forever and ever and hope to be right eventually

Some constructive criticism is due, but guess what - if we beat Turkey on Monday we're back on track. I'm as gutted as all of you but let's look to what we can do differently rather than just abng the same tired old drum of "Page out", ain't gunna happen until we're mathematically out of it so you might as well save it

I’m guessing you must be on the FAW committee who gave Page his 4 year contract. After that shit show tonight there’s no way you can justify keeping that 4th rate clown as our manager 

[gruffudd]

Jun 16, 2023 21:11:29 GMT gruffudd said:

Jun 16, 2023 21:08:04 GMT mrpicton79 said:

Might be going too far there. We were a complete shambles under Gould throughout. We have at least been somewhat competitive under Page, until now.

Yer training in a prison, manager designing the strip, kicking RS out if squad then crumbling under player power, getting his head kicked in by JH, playing LOW sides, can't get that bad.

I actually like the strip that Gould designed! But fucking ell.

[hooky]

Jun 16, 2023 21:30:14 GMT allezlesrouges said:

Jun 16, 2023 21:23:23 GMT hooky said:

It is really boring watching Wales under Page.

When we were getting results because of one icon we tolerated it.

However, playing poorly, with the poor quality / poorly coached football and getting smashed is a step too far.

I wonder how we would have done under Giggs. He at least seemed to have a plan / understood football. Shame his terrible character took him out of the equation and left us with Page. Mad how a #2 inherits the earth so often. There is a reason someone is #2!

Of all the things you can say about tonight's game it wasn't boring. If you're just here to watch an entertaining match then you got your wish tonight. I want to see Wales qualify for tournaments so obviously I hated what I saw in a defensive respect tonight - defence is the foundation for qualifying

We actually created a lot of chances tonight and scored enough goals to win that game with a normal defensive performance. I'm not actually that concerned about our attacking play it's the defence that was shambolic

Look at my earlier comment. I thought the team selected looked a bit too open. What exactly did we create tonight? Knock ons by lumping it forward or trying to get it to James. Our football is boring. A lot of the time players are passing backwards or sideways. Armenia and many others always looked forwards. Maybe our players are not athletes and cannot make forward runs like other teams? More likely they are coached to play like that. Its shit

[allezlesrouges]

Jun 16, 2023 21:41:15 GMT aberbeeg said:

Jun 16, 2023 21:11:35 GMT allezlesrouges said:

I think the fact that you've been banging the drum for ages shows that you're not very good at calling it, because you've only just been "proven right" tonight. Anyone can come on here and bleat and moan about how bad we are when we win and then say I told you so after the first bad result

Undeniably poor tonight, and the perennial moaners finally get what they want after ages of unjustified moaning

Also there are people here who said Page out after we beat Latvia 1-0 because it was too boring. You all got your wish for a better attacking performance, so you're all happy right? Just goes to show some people won't be happy unless we spank everyone 5-0. I've got no time for anyone who expects that, or who just moan forever and ever and hope to be right eventually

Some constructive criticism is due, but guess what - if we beat Turkey on Monday we're back on track. I'm as gutted as all of you but let's look to what we can do differently rather than just abng the same tired old drum of "Page out", ain't gunna happen until we're mathematically out of it so you might as well save it

I’m guessing you must be on the FAW committee who gave Page his 4 year contract. After that shit show tonight there’s no way you can justify keeping that 4th rate clown as our manager 

I made no comment about whether we should or shouldn't keep him. I said there's no chance he's sacked until we're mathematically out of it. Even then I think he probably gets given a playoff given his record. If we don't qualify I agree he should go, but this isn't club football where we are awash with cash and can sack managers willy nilly