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Post by hooky on Jun 16, 2023 21:47:38 GMT
I’m guessing you must be on the FAW committee who gave Page his 4 year contract. After that shit show tonight there’s no way you can justify keeping that 4th rate clown as our manager I made no comment about whether we should or shouldn't keep him. I said there's no chance he's sacked until we're mathematically out of it. Even then I think he probably gets given a playoff given his record. If we don't qualify I agree he should go, but this isn't club football where we are awash with cash and can sack managers willy nilly Playoff Lets not be delusional! Armenia are ahead of us for third surely? I really do not fancy us getting 1 let alone 3 points out there given the way we play |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jun 16, 2023 21:48:57 GMT
I made no comment about whether we should or shouldn't keep him. I said there's no chance he's sacked until we're mathematically out of it. Even then I think he probably gets given a playoff given his record. If we don't qualify I agree he should go, but this isn't club football where we are awash with cash and can sack managers willy nilly Playoff Lets not be delusional! At the most Armenia are ahead of us for third surely? I really do not fancy us getting 1 let alone 3 points out there given the way we play We're pretty much a shoe in for play offs due to our nations league positioning. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 16, 2023 21:48:58 GMT
Of all the things you can say about tonight's game it wasn't boring. If you're just here to watch an entertaining match then you got your wish tonight. I want to see Wales qualify for tournaments so obviously I hated what I saw in a defensive respect tonight - defence is the foundation for qualifying We actually created a lot of chances tonight and scored enough goals to win that game with a normal defensive performance. I'm not actually that concerned about our attacking play it's the defence that was shambolic Look at my earlier comment. I thought the team selected looked a bit too open. What exactly did we create tonight? Knock ons by lumping it forward or trying to get it to James. Our football is boring. A lot of the time players are passing backwards or sideways. Armenia and many others always looked forwards. Maybe our players are not athletes and cannot make forward runs like other teams? More likely they are coached to play like that. Its shit Kieffer had about 3 clear headed chances, Brennan had a chance on the edge of the box - very similar to 3 Armenian goals which their forwards buried. Connor Roberts missed the ball 6 yards out for a tap in, Kieffer missed the ball for a tap in 2 yards out. Wilson through on goal and takes too heavy of a touch to roll it past the keeper & then picks out Kieffer in the box who fires at the keeper, and we scored 2 goals Say what you want tonight but the issue wasn't creativity, it was the CBs |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 16, 2023 21:50:05 GMT
I made no comment about whether we should or shouldn't keep him. I said there's no chance he's sacked until we're mathematically out of it. Even then I think he probably gets given a playoff given his record. If we don't qualify I agree he should go, but this isn't club football where we are awash with cash and can sack managers willy nilly Playoff Lets not be delusional! Armenia are ahead of us for third surely? I really do not fancy us getting 1 let alone 3 points out there given the way we play We get a playoff through the Nation's League, nothing to do with group position. You can't criticise Page that heavily if you don't even know what we're playing for |
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Post by aberbeeg on Jun 16, 2023 21:51:40 GMT
I’m guessing you must be on the FAW committee who gave Page his 4 year contract. After that shit show tonight there’s no way you can justify keeping that 4th rate clown as our manager I made no comment about whether we should or shouldn't keep him. I said there's no chance he's sacked until we're mathematically out of it. Even then I think he probably gets given a playoff given his record. If we don't qualify I agree he should go, but this isn't club football where we are awash with cash and can sack managers willy nilly So your happy with our things have been progressing yea? Shite World Cup followed by probably our most embarrassing home performance for 50/60/100 years ? |
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Post by gruffudd on Jun 16, 2023 21:52:57 GMT
I made no comment about whether we should or shouldn't keep him. I said there's no chance he's sacked until we're mathematically out of it. Even then I think he probably gets given a playoff given his record. If we don't qualify I agree he should go, but this isn't club football where we are awash with cash and can sack managers willy nilly Playoff Lets not be delusional! Armenia are ahead of us for third surely? I really do not fancy us getting 1 let alone 3 points out there given the way we play I believe Arminia were 3rd seeds in this group not Turkey. It will be a different game in Turkey, we can get a point, they will think they can batter us, we are alway better in the break no expectations. I back us to get something out there. |
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Post by aberbeeg on Jun 16, 2023 21:54:01 GMT
Playoff Lets not be delusional! Armenia are ahead of us for third surely? I really do not fancy us getting 1 let alone 3 points out there given the way we play I believe Arminia were 3rd seeds in this group not Turkey. It will be a different game in Turkey, we can get a point, they will think they can batter us, we are alway better in the break no expectations. I back us to get something out there. We were hoping for 4 points from 6 not 1 point from 6 |
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Post by gruffudd on Jun 16, 2023 21:54:57 GMT
I made no comment about whether we should or shouldn't keep him. I said there's no chance he's sacked until we're mathematically out of it. Even then I think he probably gets given a playoff given his record. If we don't qualify I agree he should go, but this isn't club football where we are awash with cash and can sack managers willy nilly So your happy with our things have been progressing yea? Shite World Cup followed by probably our most embarrassing home performance for 50/60/100 years ? Finland 2-2 maybe. |
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Post by caeboy on Jun 16, 2023 21:55:12 GMT
Page’s tactics all wrong again. Roberts was completely exposed down the right, it was obvious, but Page did nothing.
Surely Keiffer should have been awarded a penalty just before the sending off?
Why let the opposition fans bring a bloody huge drum into our home ground, it drowned out the Barry Horns!
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 16, 2023 21:56:34 GMT
I made no comment about whether we should or shouldn't keep him. I said there's no chance he's sacked until we're mathematically out of it. Even then I think he probably gets given a playoff given his record. If we don't qualify I agree he should go, but this isn't club football where we are awash with cash and can sack managers willy nilly So your happy with our things have been progressing yea? Shite World Cup followed by probably our most embarrassing home performance for 50/60/100 years ? I haven't said that either. You're forgetting our best away result in recent year sandwiched in between those two things, it's not been all terrible. Obviously I'm gutted about tonight but the campaign can be turned around People called for Giggs's head after the Hungary/Croatia double header but he turned things around. Monday is huge now, I'm not that confident but all things aside I can pick out 11 players from that squad I believe in. If we get the lineup right we can get this back on track. Not to forget before tonight we were ahead of schedule with 4 points |
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Post by gruffudd on Jun 16, 2023 21:59:49 GMT
Page’s tactics all wrong again. Roberts was completely exposed down the right, it was obvious, but Page did nothing. Surely Keiffer should have been awarded a penalty just before the sending off? Why let the opposition fans bring a bloody huge drum into our home ground, it drowned out the Barry Horns! In what way what was wrong? Setup looked good, system looked good created plenty of chances, selection could have been tweaked a little but who and where? Before the fact all looked good in team put out, we are all tactical geniuses after the fact. I was happy with team and formation. |
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Post by dai on Jun 16, 2023 22:03:05 GMT
Proven right tonight? I said before the WC we were going to be shambolic, and what happened? Tbh, I hope we don't beat Turkey and Page goes. It's become painful watching us play under Page. Armenia, a team ranked 60 places or whatever below us were passing the ball around us like a top 10 side. There's nothing we can do differently, because Page can't do anything differently. He talks a good talk, but backs nothing up. He said he'd learnt from the WC, nope. He said we won't have any retirements soon, Bale, Allen and Jonny go. Then there's the issues with his communications (or lack of) with clubs. The guy is completely out of his depth, and it looks like he's just an FAW yes man. Embarrassing. Anyway, I think may take a hiatus from Welsh football. I've always been a country before club guy, but having jumped on Wrexhams bandwagon this season, it's an absolute joy to watch them. We just don't look like we enjoy playing our there anymore. Players look unhappy and angry. There's very little hwyl. Ultimately, that comes down to the manager. How can a real fan say that you hope we fail to beat Turkey? Sorry but that's just ridiculous The bigger picture. These are not really a bad bunch of players. No world class standouts like Bale, Allen, Ramsey, but a pretty competent squad. To move forward, we need to first step backwards. A number of issues have risen under Page and the list keeps growing. I want this rot to stop reasonably soon. |
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Post by jimexotic on Jun 16, 2023 22:05:58 GMT
It was the dream start, they looked nervy, the keeper looked like an accident waiting to happen and they looked easy to create chances against. The keeper was awful all game and they were easy to create chances against all game but we were wasteful in attack and non existent at the back. We didn't pick up runner, we didn't track back properly, we made stupid mistakes in dangerous areas of the pitch and it's cost us dearly. A very depressing night for Welsh football, a dark night.
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Post by aberbeeg on Jun 16, 2023 22:07:32 GMT
So your happy with our things have been progressing yea? Shite World Cup followed by probably our most embarrassing home performance for 50/60/100 years ? I haven't said that either. You're forgetting our best away result in recent year sandwiched in between those two things, it's not been all terrible. Obviously I'm gutted about tonight but the campaign can be turned around People called for Giggs's head after the Hungary/Croatia double header but he turned things around. Monday is huge now, I'm not that confident but all things aside I can pick out 11 players from that squad I believe in. If we get the lineup right we can get this back on track. Not to forget before tonight we were ahead of schedule with 4 points Read the BBC Wales report. It doesn’t make great reading for Page! Saying he got it horribly wrong |
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Post by dai on Jun 16, 2023 22:08:16 GMT
Page’s tactics all wrong again. Roberts was completely exposed down the right, it was obvious, but Page did nothing. Surely Keiffer should have been awarded a penalty just before the sending off? Why let the opposition fans bring a bloody huge drum into our home ground, it drowned out the Barry Horns! In what way what was wrong? Setup looked good, system looked good created plenty of chances, selection could have been tweaked a little but who and where? Before the fact all looked good in team put out, we are all tactical geniuses after the fact. I was happy with team and formation. Attitude. One of the main things in football, or anything if that matters. We look like we have poor attitude on the pitch. No-one helping each other out, players being lazy, passing being very slow. This does not look like a well drilled team. I think we've had more cards under Page than other managers as well - that's a bad sign. Look at Armenia, they had fighters all over the pitch. In comparison we looked like a team that didn;t want to fight, or impress. Too many players know their positions are safe, and that's not a good thing. Failure gets rewarded. Tonight, Moore, Roberts and Rodon were our worst players, yet two of them played the entire match. Does Page not see these things? Brennan is our best player, match fit, yet takes him off. His decision making is beyond baffling and that's always been the case. I'm not surprised or shocked by tonight, by I'm completely exasperated by the continuing incompetence. |
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Post by gruffudd on Jun 16, 2023 22:08:21 GMT
Robert exposed down the right?
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jun 16, 2023 22:09:27 GMT
Page’s tactics all wrong again. Roberts was completely exposed down the right, it was obvious, but Page did nothing. Surely Keiffer should have been awarded a penalty just before the sending off? Why let the opposition fans bring a bloody huge drum into our home ground, it drowned out the Barry Horns! In what way what was wrong? Setup looked good, system looked good created plenty of chances, selection could have been tweaked a little but who and where? Before the fact all looked good in team put out, we are all tactical geniuses after the fact. I was happy with team and formation. Check my post on the page before. Interestingly no one's argued it and just gone at easy to argue posts like hoping we lose. |
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Post by gruffudd on Jun 16, 2023 22:13:57 GMT
In what way what was wrong? Setup looked good, system looked good created plenty of chances, selection could have been tweaked a little but who and where? Before the fact all looked good in team put out, we are all tactical geniuses after the fact. I was happy with team and formation. Attitude. One of the main things in football, or anything if that matters. We look like we have poor attitude on the pitch. No-one helping each other out, players being lazy, passing being very slow. This does not look like a well drilled team. I think we've had more cards under Page than other managers as well - that's a bad sign. Look at Armenia, they had fighters all over the pitch. In comparison we looked like a team that didn;t want to fight, or impress. Too many players know their positions are safe, and that's not a good thing. Failure gets rewarded. Tonight, Moore, Roberts and Rodon were our worst players, yet two of them played the entire match. Does Page not see these things? Brennan is our best player, match fit, yet takes him off. His decision making is beyond baffling and that's always been the case. I'm not surprised or shocked by tonight, by I'm completely exasperated by the continuing incompetence. Moore? He was our man of the match tonight. Fight he was fighting almost his own, support was lacking but we were set up to get players forward. I have to disagree with your assessment of Moore, his control and hold up play is very decent at international level, and caused a lot of problems, but his sending off was entirely up to him . |
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Post by hooky on Jun 16, 2023 22:14:13 GMT
Playoff Lets not be delusional! Armenia are ahead of us for third surely? I really do not fancy us getting 1 let alone 3 points out there given the way we play We get a playoff through the Nation's League, nothing to do with group position. You can't criticise Page that heavily if you don't even know what we're playing for Apologies I did not realise we get a playoff for coming last in our NL group no matter what. That is totally stupid but it matters not as we have no chance if we come up against someone at our level because of the way we are coached |
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Post by dai on Jun 16, 2023 22:19:15 GMT
Attitude. One of the main things in football, or anything if that matters. We look like we have poor attitude on the pitch. No-one helping each other out, players being lazy, passing being very slow. This does not look like a well drilled team. I think we've had more cards under Page than other managers as well - that's a bad sign. Look at Armenia, they had fighters all over the pitch. In comparison we looked like a team that didn;t want to fight, or impress. Too many players know their positions are safe, and that's not a good thing. Failure gets rewarded. Tonight, Moore, Roberts and Rodon were our worst players, yet two of them played the entire match. Does Page not see these things? Brennan is our best player, match fit, yet takes him off. His decision making is beyond baffling and that's always been the case. I'm not surprised or shocked by tonight, by I'm completely exasperated by the continuing incompetence. Moore? He was our man of the match tonight. Fight he was fighting almost his own, support was lacking but we were set up to get players forward. I have to disagree with your assessment of Moore, his control and hold up play is very decent at international level, and caused a lot of problems, but his sending off was entirely up to him . Don't know whether to laugh or cry at this. Missed two headers that an international level striker would have buried. Very rarely held the ball, failed to complete a number of passed. For a huge man, he's got the shot power of a 12yr old girl. No idea how you're labelling him as MOTM..... Don't get me wrong, I think he's a very important player, but he wasn't doing anything of note tonight. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Jun 16, 2023 22:21:41 GMT
No clear structure or plan, completely pathetic. Everything looks so casual, so laid back. It all feels too matey like there's no consequences for failure. The only one who showed fight was Mepham at the end and Brooks when he came on!
I've no idea what Roberts was doing, seemed like he was playing his own game out there tonight, constantly leaving huge gaps on the right flank.
What sums up Page for me was when Morrell & Williams were waiting 6 minutes to come on and he wouldn't send them on as they had an attacking throw in. Classic lower league management.
I asked earlier in the thread why we never select an adequate number of midfielders. Clearly Page doesn't believe in midfield as yet sgain he chose the trio that got ripped apart at the World Cup. Ramsey isn't the player he was, Wilson hides and Ampadu's asked to do the work of 3 men. How does Page watch it and think "this is fine"?
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jun 16, 2023 22:22:11 GMT
Moore? He was our man of the match tonight. Fight he was fighting almost his own, support was lacking but we were set up to get players forward. I have to disagree with your assessment of Moore, his control and hold up play is very decent at international level, and caused a lot of problems, but his sending off was entirely up to him . Don't know whether to laugh or cry at this. Missed two headers that an international level striker would have buried. Very rarely held the ball, failed to complete a number of passed. For a huge man, he's got the shot power of a 12yr old girl. No idea how you're labelling him as MOTM..... Don't get me wrong, I think he's a very important player, but he wasn't doing anything of note tonight. There were very slim pickings for MOTM. Most of our attacks went through Kieffer. His sending off was extremely childish though. |
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Post by gruffudd on Jun 16, 2023 22:24:11 GMT
Moore? He was our man of the match tonight. Fight he was fighting almost his own, support was lacking but we were set up to get players forward. I have to disagree with your assessment of Moore, his control and hold up play is very decent at international level, and caused a lot of problems, but his sending off was entirely up to him . Don't know whether to laugh or cry at this. Missed two headers that an international level striker would have buried. Very rarely held the ball, failed to complete a number of passed. For a huge man, he's got the shot power of a 12yr old girl. No idea how you're labelling him as MOTM..... Don't get me wrong, I think he's a very important player, but he wasn't doing anything of note tonight. And who was doing anything of note tonight? I stand by that our MOTM, was a constant presence on numerous occasions held the ball up, his control and hold up play is a continual supprised, we were poor but Moore was our best players tonight. Who was you Welsh MOTM. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jun 16, 2023 22:24:35 GMT
What sums up Page for me was when Morrell & Williams were waiting 6 minutes to come on and he wouldn't send them on as they had an attacking throw in. Classic lower league management. Williams, having not played in months, coming on after standing still for 6 minutes. Class effort Page. |
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Post by hooky on Jun 16, 2023 22:26:16 GMT
Honestly - his substitutions? It was like a white flag
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Post by dai on Jun 16, 2023 22:27:45 GMT
Don't know whether to laugh or cry at this. Missed two headers that an international level striker would have buried. Very rarely held the ball, failed to complete a number of passed. For a huge man, he's got the shot power of a 12yr old girl. No idea how you're labelling him as MOTM..... Don't get me wrong, I think he's a very important player, but he wasn't doing anything of note tonight. And who was doing anything of note tonight? I stand by that our MOTM, was a constant presence on numerous occasions held the ball up, his control and hold up play is a continual supprised, we were poor but Moore was our best players tonight. Who was you Welsh MOTM. No idea tbh, they were all pretty shambolic. D James worked hard as usual, and made a lot of tackles tracking back. So I'd probably say him. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Jun 16, 2023 22:28:04 GMT
Don't know whether to laugh or cry at this. Missed two headers that an international level striker would have buried. Very rarely held the ball, failed to complete a number of passed. For a huge man, he's got the shot power of a 12yr old girl. No idea how you're labelling him as MOTM..... Don't get me wrong, I think he's a very important player, but he wasn't doing anything of note tonight. There were very slim pickings for MOTM. Most of our attacks went through Kieffer. His sending off was extremely childish though. I'vd only seen it once since the game but it strikes me as harsh, is it really deserving of a red card? That the Armenians celebrated and congratulated the keeper should have been a clue to the ref that all was not as it seemed |
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Post by hooky on Jun 16, 2023 22:30:49 GMT
And who was doing anything of note tonight? I stand by that our MOTM, was a constant presence on numerous occasions held the ball up, his control and hold up play is a continual supprised, we were poor but Moore was our best players tonight. Who was you Welsh MOTM. No idea tbh, they were all pretty shambolic. D James worked hard as usual, and made a lot of tackles tracking back. So I'd probably say him. Would agree and the fact that he stands out when playing against the likes of Armenia and many others, shows how badly the rest of the team played. |
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Post by dai on Jun 16, 2023 22:31:12 GMT
There were very slim pickings for MOTM. Most of our attacks went through Kieffer. His sending off was extremely childish though. I'vd only seen it once since the game but it strikes me as harsh, is it really deserving of a red card? That the Armenians celebrated and congratulated the keeper should have been a clue to the ref that all was not as it seemed It was similar to Beckhams red card vs Argentina in 1998. That sort of petty, childish, aggressive behaviour. Basically back heel kicked the keeper after they both got up. Fully deserved a red. |
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Post by hooky on Jun 16, 2023 22:32:38 GMT
Such an avoidable lack of discipline in an important game reflects poorly on the culture being set for the squad
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