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Post by allezlesrouges on May 26, 2023 13:09:25 GMT
Huge game this one, and the type of game we've had good success in recently times - Hungary, Czechia, Austria, Ukraine all popping to mind. I feel sometimes we are better when we have space to counter on teams, and this might require a similar performance
Based on the need to counter I'm wondering if we should be going for something like...
Hennessey
Connor-Lockyer-Mepham-Davies
Ampadu-Morrell
Brennan-Ramsey-DJ
Moore
Keep things nice and tight, have Moore as the out ball, but pace out wide to try and hurt them when we can
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Post by underwood on Jun 1, 2023 14:31:34 GMT
Turkey are away to Latvia the same night we play Armenia. It would be terrific if they dropped points & we got the win as they would then be desperate to beat us, something that I believe suits us & your ‘keeping it tight & hitting them on the break’ scenario certainly comes into play.
At the Euros they left a lot of space behind once we had gone 1 up, in fact they had done so before Rambo scored - he should have had a first half hat-trick if I remember rightly.
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Post by jimexotic on Jun 1, 2023 16:59:59 GMT
Turkey are away to Latvia the same night we play Armenia. It would be terrific if they dropped points & we got the win as they would then be desperate to beat us, something that I believe suits us & your ‘keeping it tight & hitting them on the break’ scenario certainly comes into play. At the Euros they left a lot of space behind once we had gone 1 up, in fact they had done so before Rambo scored - he should have had a first half hat-trick if I remember rightly. We should have battered Turkey, Ramsey missed chances, Bale missed a penalty, we were genuinely quite sloppy when it came to finishing in that match. I really think we can put ourselves in the driving seat for qualification over the next two games but at the same time I'm only too aware of what we're capable of! |
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Post by underwood on Jun 1, 2023 18:09:34 GMT
I’ve mentioned before that 4 points from these two matches with the win coming against Turkey would be a brilliant outcome.
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Post by fiveattheback on Jun 1, 2023 18:58:13 GMT
Turkey are away to Latvia the same night we play Armenia. It would be terrific if they dropped points & we got the win as they would then be desperate to beat us, something that I believe suits us & your ‘keeping it tight & hitting them on the break’ scenario certainly comes into play. At the Euros they left a lot of space behind once we had gone 1 up, in fact they had done so before Rambo scored - he should have had a first half hat-trick if I remember rightly. We should have battered Turkey, Ramsey missed chances, Bale missed a penalty, we were genuinely quite sloppy when it came to finishing in that match. I really think we can put ourselves in the driving seat for qualification over the next two games but at the same time I'm only too aware of what we're capable of! We battered them on everything but the scoreline, they weren't in the game at all and it made a mockery of the "dark horse" tag they'd been given |
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Post by hal on Jun 16, 2023 6:32:59 GMT
Anyone know if they have any key players missing? I’ve seen Soyucu is unavailable.
Also any on a yellow card tonight that could mean they miss Monday game?
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Post by dragonsoccer on Jun 16, 2023 6:58:56 GMT
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 16, 2023 21:19:43 GMT
Big changes needed. Lockyer walks into that side, just gutted he's not available. We did look somewhat better with Davies at CB, and I'd say anything is better than Rodon right now. Mepham was poor but perhaps without Rodon next to him he might improve
Ward
Connor-Mepham-Davies-Neco
Morrell-Ampadu
Brooks-Ramsey-DJ
Brennan
There's lots of negatives to talk about but I did think Brooks gave us something we're missing. Kieffer suffering from a lack of games, so get Brennan up there on the break and Brooks/DJ playing off him. Nothing to lose now, have to be bold and go for it. Must win game. The biggest focus needs to be a clean sheet after the worst defensive performance since Belarus. At least against Belarus we could blame James Lawrence, no excuse for Mepham & Rodon
Although Lawrence never returned after Belarus, I think we might have to be thinking about Rodon in the same way! Sad state of affairs to say that about a player who made such a difference when he first came on the scene. But he's gone backwards at a rate of knots
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 16, 2023 21:20:33 GMT
I must add that Connor is lucky we probably need Davies at CB otherwise I'd be saying Neco in for him. Thought he gave Zelaryan way too much space tonight
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Post by hooky on Jun 16, 2023 21:32:51 GMT
Conor Roberts offers nothing and has not offered much for the last 12 months.
I will watch the Turkey match but why? It feels like a 100:1 shot to get a win and a 10:1 shot at best to get a draw. I wish I was a casual fan - the late 90s, 00s and early 10s were enough for a lifetime!
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Post by hooky on Jun 16, 2023 21:35:41 GMT
On paper then while we don't look awful we do look pretty average and unfortunately we do not have a team of fighters like you always get with Scotland, Northern and Republic of Ireland. I really hate the pathetic moaning by players and coaches - they should just man up and do their fighting through competing more forcefully and playing football
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 16, 2023 21:41:55 GMT
Conor Roberts offers nothing and has not offered much for the last 12 months. I will watch the Turkey match but why? It feels like a 100:1 shot to get a win and a 10:1 shot at best to get a draw. I wish I was a casual fan - the late 90s, 00s and early 10s were enough for a lifetime! Easy to forget after a bad performance that we got a draw out in Croatia recently. As bad as tonight was it shows we can be more defensively solid. In hindsight I think Rodon has been on borrowed time for a while. Without him maybe we have a chance. I have faith we can score a goal but not feeling too optimistic about a clean sheet after tonight |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 16, 2023 21:42:23 GMT
On paper then while we don't look awful we do look pretty average and unfortunately we do not have a team of fighters like you always get with Scotland, Northern and Republic of Ireland. I really hate the pathetic moaning by players and coaches - they should just man up and do their fighting through competing more forcefully and playing football Rodon moaning way too much about far too little tonigbt |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jun 16, 2023 21:59:46 GMT
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Post by hooky on Jun 16, 2023 22:27:37 GMT
On paper then while we don't look awful we do look pretty average and unfortunately we do not have a team of fighters like you always get with Scotland, Northern and Republic of Ireland. I really hate the pathetic moaning by players and coaches - they should just man up and do their fighting through competing more forcefully and playing football Rodon moaning way too much about far too little tonigbt Yep but there were many others feeling sorry for themselves. Quite frankly I find it quite pathetic |
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Post by dai on Jun 16, 2023 22:29:27 GMT
On paper then while we don't look awful we do look pretty average and unfortunately we do not have a team of fighters like you always get with Scotland, Northern and Republic of Ireland. I really hate the pathetic moaning by players and coaches - they should just man up and do their fighting through competing more forcefully and playing football Rodon moaning way too much about far too little tonigbt He moans every single match, nothing new. A bit like me on here. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Jun 16, 2023 22:48:36 GMT
On paper then while we don't look awful we do look pretty average and unfortunately we do not have a team of fighters like you always get with Scotland, Northern and Republic of Ireland. I really hate the pathetic moaning by players and coaches - they should just man up and do their fighting through competing more forcefully and playing football Rodon moaning way too much about far too little tonigbt He's always done it. Incredibly frustrating player who's been overhyped and overrated by our fans |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jun 16, 2023 23:04:31 GMT
Rodon moaning way too much about far too little tonigbt He's always done it. Incredibly frustrating player who's been overhyped and overrated by our fans He looked very bright early in his career but doesn't seem to have the attitude to match the talent. Shame. |
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Post by felinessex on Jun 16, 2023 23:28:29 GMT
Conor Roberts offers nothing and has not offered much for the last 12 months. I will watch the Turkey match but why? It feels like a 100:1 shot to get a win and a 10:1 shot at best to get a draw. I wish I was a casual fan - the late 90s, 00s and early 10s were enough for a lifetime! Out in Turkey already, so didn’t see our game. Watched Latvia v Turkey. Turkey won in the very last second of extra time, having conceded an equalising goal when playing against 10 men. They are a very poor side, all still to play for. |
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Post by gruffudd on Jun 17, 2023 0:41:26 GMT
Conor Roberts offers nothing and has not offered much for the last 12 months. I will watch the Turkey match but why? It feels like a 100:1 shot to get a win and a 10:1 shot at best to get a draw. I wish I was a casual fan - the late 90s, 00s and early 10s were enough for a lifetime! Out in Turkey already, so didn’t see our game. Watched Latvia v Turkey. Turkey won in the very last second of extra time, having conceded an equalising goal when playing against 10 men. They are a very poor side, all still to play for. Yes love it, come on Wales. |
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Post by hal on Jun 17, 2023 8:30:37 GMT
Now that the dust has settled a little, let’s have a go at picking a team for Monday. It was extremely frustrating to see how tactically inept we were last night, the game was crying out for somebody to sit in the middle of the park and pick up the loose balls, they seemed to have so much time. However, Morrell showed he is clearly not that player, unfortunately too small and weak and not technically good enough.
Ward
Neco
Mepham
Rodon (there’s a player there, just had no confidence)
Cabango
Davies
Ampadu (he has to just sit in the middle of the park, there’s nobody better at the minute)
Wilson
Ramsey (I would maybe give somebody else a go, but can’t see him being dropped)
Brooks
Johnson
Noteable absences-
James- just not good enough on the ball, does so much off it, but his quality is so bad.
Roberts- doesn’t appear to offer anything, defensively poor and no quality up top.
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Post by Counting Crows on Jun 17, 2023 9:36:53 GMT
Ramsey as a holding midfielder has never worked.
It didn’t work in Qatar. It didn’t work last night to disastrous effect. And it’ll never work. It’s not his game.
Could have driven the international space station through our midfield. Armenia spotted that after about 15 mins. Every time they robbed us of possession, they scored.
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Post by fiveattheback on Jun 17, 2023 10:39:50 GMT
Now that the dust has settled a little, let’s have a go at picking a team for Monday. It was extremely frustrating to see how tactically inept we were last night, the game was crying out for somebody to sit in the middle of the park and pick up the loose balls, they seemed to have so much time. However, Morrell showed he is clearly not that player, unfortunately too small and weak and not technically good enough. Ward Neco Mepham Rodon (there’s a player there, just had no confidence) Cabango Davies Ampadu (he has to just sit in the middle of the park, there’s nobody better at the minute) Wilson Ramsey (I would maybe give somebody else a go, but can’t see him being dropped) Brooks Johnson Noteable absences- James- just not good enough on the ball, does so much off it, but his quality is so bad. Roberts- doesn’t appear to offer anything, defensively poor and no quality up top. Ampadu, Wilson & Ramsey doesn't work. Ramsey gets a lot of stick for trying stuff that doesn't come off but at least he doesn't hide the way Wilson does |
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Post by conwy10 on Jun 17, 2023 10:57:28 GMT
Ward
Roberts Mepham Cabango Davies Neco
Ampadu Morrell
Brooks James Ramsey
We need to be ruthless and show that poor performances will lose you your place. Unfortunately our squad is awful so some have to keep their place. Would be temptwd to throw Hennessey in too.
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Post by underwood on Jun 17, 2023 11:05:23 GMT
I’m not sure if replacing Ward with Hennessey achieves much, unless Wayne marshals the defence better, which is possible.
Apart from cutting out a low cross when we were still 1-0 up, I can’t recall Ward having another save to make all game.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 17, 2023 11:19:32 GMT
I’m not sure if replacing Ward with Hennessey achieves much, unless Wayne marshals the defence better, which is possible. Apart from cutting out a low cross when we were still 1-0 up, I can’t recall Ward having another save to make all game. Armenia had 4 shots on target and scored them all. As poor as we were we have to hold our hands up and say they were ruthlessly clinical. That Ranos is going to be a star for them, 4 goals in 2 appearances at the age of 19. I think Ward or Hennessey couldn't have prevented any of those goals to be honest |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 17, 2023 11:27:01 GMT
I personally feel that changing the formation won't do much. We looked wide open at the World Cup with a back 5. The common theme between then and last night is that Mepham/Rodon were starting, and Ampadu, Ramsey & Wilson were starting
I wanted Ramsey to start last night in that role and play a disciplined role as our captain. Unfortunately he has shown he is incapable of doing that, so I think we have to bring Morrell in, and take Rodon out
Ward
Connor-Mepham-Davies-Neco
Morrell-Ampadu
Brennan-Ramsey-DJ
Bradshaw
The team I picked last night contained Brooks but obviously he probably isn't ready to start. Bradshaw is a hard worker so I think let's give him his chance. Hopefully Morrell-Ampadu gives us the stability we saw against Croatia & Latvia, and I'm not convinced by Davies at CB because it's a gamble but at this point it's just time to roll the dice
Connor is lucky that we need Davies at CB and don't have another decent RB. If Regan Poole was in the squad I'd start him at RB instead. Half tempted to say Fox at LB & Neco at RB but it's just never going to happen and is probably too much change
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Post by conwy10 on Jun 17, 2023 13:04:57 GMT
I’m not sure if replacing Ward with Hennessey achieves much, unless Wayne marshals the defence better, which is possible. Apart from cutting out a low cross when we were still 1-0 up, I can’t recall Ward having another save to make all game. It was more because I see them as equal and could send a shock wave through everyone. I do feel more comfortable with Hennessey, but Ward has more years in him in this squad. |
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Post by hc16040 on Jun 17, 2023 13:50:06 GMT
Our best hope is a 5 back 3 in the middle of the park with Brennan and James up top to hit on the break. Id probably go for:
Ward
Roberts-Mepham-Cabango-Davies-Neco
Morell-Ampadu-Ramsey/Wilson
James-Brennan
Can always bring on Brooks if we need to score a goal.
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Post by dai on Jun 17, 2023 14:45:08 GMT
Pretty obvious Page will probably play the exact same formation with someone like Bradshaw instead of Moore.
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