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Post by marsvolta on Sept 11, 2023 21:11:00 GMT
So happy for the Wales fans out in Riga.
I’ve been out there in these circumstances before.They’d have known that the knives were out back home so winning away like this is all the much sweeter. Massive celebrations out there tonight
EDIT- when I say I’ve been out there in these circumstances, I mean away from home, not out there in Riga.
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Post by njdragon on Sept 11, 2023 21:11:05 GMT
Yes I disagree with you. You have no idea what manager we’d get or if we’d do better or worse. 2 decent results get behind the team. When you’re doing as badly as we are I would say it’s worth the risk of trying someone else. And if Page miraculously got us qualified, he would then obviously manage us at the tournament again, and we know how’s that’s gone the last two times. Wales Turkey in the euros was his only good game at a tournament. Who comes in? We’ve had 2 bad results followed by 2 decent. He’s managed us at 2 tournaments and got us a playoff for this one? Who’s going to come in and do Bette? Really? |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 11, 2023 21:13:06 GMT
Diolch bach ar y diwedd o Brooksy! Diwylliant!
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Post by zodiac on Sept 11, 2023 21:13:27 GMT
Well done Brooks.
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Post by jackanapes on Sept 11, 2023 21:14:05 GMT
Positives: Great result and created plenty of chances Negatives: We really struggle to take our chances and have done for a long time. It’s less to do with ability than composure I think. We were losing shape, discipline and energy in the second half yet Page waited and waited to make changes. We deserved to win but easily have thrown it away. On to the next one. We need to win against Croatia so I hope Page has a brainstorm. We don't need to win against Croatia. We need to beat Armenia, get at least a draw against Croatia - then we go into the last game knowing a win qualifies us Turkey will go into the final game on 13 points f they beat Latvia, 14 if they draw with Croatia. If we draw with Croatia and beat Armenia we’ll be on 11. A win against Turkey wouldn’t be enough - we’d need a big win to overturn the head to head. Croatia are far better than us, but they always give you a chance. We have to be bold. Remember ROI at home? All Turkey will need to do is sit deep, play on the counter, and avoid a heavy defeat. We are terrible at breaking down teams in those circumstances. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Sept 11, 2023 21:16:23 GMT
Decent performance against League 2 standard opposition. But it says something that for me the Motm was James, simply by doing the simple things consistently well. Come on that was Allen’s exact role And your point is what exactly? Well as James played (and he was better than Ampadu) we really missed Allen's ability to transition quickly. That and Bale's finishing. Brooks showed what gad been missing all night, composure znd quality. |
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Post by zodiac on Sept 11, 2023 21:17:24 GMT
Disastrous result for the future of Welsh football. Is it even up to the FAW to wield the axe from what I gather Drakeford and co have taken over both the FAW & the WRU apparently. |
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Post by welshrover on Sept 11, 2023 21:17:34 GMT
I'd just like to say I thought Harry played really well tonight, especially second half. Looked hungry.
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Post by njdragon on Sept 11, 2023 21:18:58 GMT
Come on that was Allen’s exact role And your point is what exactly? Well as James played (and he was better than Ampadu) we really missed Allen's ability to transition quickly. That and Bale's finishing. Brooks showed what gad been missing all night, composure znd quality. Umm as I said doing things simple is a skill in itself, Allen was the master of that, simple pass, move, pick out the ball and another simple pass. It’s exactly what we are missing and he’s 19! Jeez give him some credit |
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Post by bringbackelmo on Sept 11, 2023 21:20:34 GMT
Disastrous result for the future of Welsh football. Is it even up to the FAW to wield the axe from what I gather Drakeford and co have taken over both the FAW & the WRU apparently. This is satire, right? 😂 |
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Post by bringbackelmo on Sept 11, 2023 21:21:02 GMT
I'd just like to say I thought Harry played really well tonight, especially second half. Looked hungry. Agreed, one of his better games for us. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Sept 11, 2023 21:24:32 GMT
You've misread my post. James was very good, and fully deserves a lot of credit. But the fact that a 19 year old in his first competitive start was our best player also says something about the rest of the team. Ampadu, apart from that early pass putting Johnson through was poor, as was Neco and Johnson. Still, a wins a win.
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Post by zodiac on Sept 11, 2023 21:26:53 GMT
Is it even up to the FAW to wield the axe from what I gather Drakeford and co have taken over both the FAW & the WRU apparently. This is satire, right? 😂 Maybe but jac o the North is not prone to fiction. |
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Post by bringbackelmo on Sept 11, 2023 21:29:52 GMT
Maybe but jac o the North is not prone to fiction. Jac o the North is at best an idiotic conspiracy theorist. I'd probably stop paying him any attention if I was you. |
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Post by aberbeeg on Sept 11, 2023 21:31:22 GMT
You've misread my post. James was very good, and fully deserves a lot of credit. But the fact that a 19 year old in his first competitive start was our best player also says something about the rest of the team. Ampadu, apart from that early pass putting Johnson through was poor, as was Neco and Johnson. Still, a wins a win. Definitely thought Johnson was poor. |
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Post by hooky on Sept 11, 2023 21:32:44 GMT
Brooks and James were the key positives today
Brooks - I don't need to say anything. We are all emotional about it!
James - what we desperately needed. He is good enough to own the middle of the park versus lower tier nations, and he can hopefully be at least on a par with middle tier nations like us. Far more physicality than we have had in midfield (outside of Ampadu) for a long time, he always looks for the forward ball and hits his passes with not only accuracy but with pace. We have our central midfielder.
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Post by dai on Sept 11, 2023 21:33:31 GMT
Just got in after football training, stopped watching after 25mins, going to rewatch the match now.
Incredibly delighted for Brooks, so pleased that he got a goal tonight.
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Post by njdragon on Sept 11, 2023 21:33:46 GMT
You've misread my post. James was very good, and fully deserves a lot of credit. But the fact that a 19 year old in his first competitive start was our best player also says something about the rest of the team. Ampadu, apart from that early pass putting Johnson through was poor, as was Neco and Johnson. Still, a wins a win. I think James is MOTM due to the fact he’s 19 and come in and filled a void we’ve really missed. Early doors but looks better than morrell who is our only other similar Allen style player, but morrell just hasn’t progressed. My MOTM would be Wilson but I thought Davies over the 2 matches was back to his best. Amapdu is consistently good and I rate roberts highly. Brooks what a guy! |
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Post by zodiac on Sept 11, 2023 21:38:03 GMT
Maybe but jac o the North is not prone to fiction. Jac o the North is at best an idiotic conspiracy theorist. I'd probably stop paying him any attention if I was you. Some of his views can be way out but he sure does back some of his ideas with hard facts and documents and an idiotic conspiracy theorist possibly to the mainstream media who refuse to investigate goings on in Wales and the Welsh government. |
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Post by iot on Sept 11, 2023 21:40:20 GMT
I'll definitely take that. First 35mins was our best performance in a while. Latvia were absolutely shocking, but we opened them up with ease and should have been 2 or 3 up.
But there's obviously something not quite right. From a position where we were well on top and looked comfortable, we all of a sudden became incredibly nervy and lost all shape and composure. There were massive gaps in midfield again (I think the praise for James is fair, but he and Ampadu must take some blame for those massive gaps that appeared), we stopped trying to keep hold of the ball, Ward was pumping everything long and just giving back possession instantly. We then seemed to regather ourselves for a period, but went through another really poor spell after Rambo went off. Players went into their shells, we stopped communicating and became completely disorganised. I was disappointed that the likes of Ampadu and Davies didn't step up and show a bit more leadership.
I personally think the fans deserve to take some of the blame for the toxic environment that's been created - it just puts pressure on the players and can't have helped the nerves. But what doesn't help Page is how we at times looked so disorganised and that players didn't know what their roles were and what we were trying to do. There was that corner near the end and a Connor Roberts long throw where lots of the players were clearly not expecting it. The lack of subs is also questionable - Sheehan should maybe have come on to help get back some control, Broadhead could have been another one.
I think Rodon was excellent - he was up against that massive CF and absolutely bossed it, that header at the end that led to Brooks' goal a perfect example. The midfield was the main issue for me today - they were great for about half the game, and really struggled to get control the other half.
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Post by hooky on Sept 11, 2023 21:45:07 GMT
One positive thing you can say in respect to Page
The players played for Page tonight.
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Post by jimexotic on Sept 11, 2023 21:45:55 GMT
Latvia tried to spoil tonight, niggly and nasty fouls, hoofing it, just pumping aimless balls into the box for the majority of their attacking. As a team we were naive at times, mainly down to the finishing, the lack of it meant that it was far closer than it ever should have been which made things more nervy for us when they attacked. We should have scored 4 or 5, no question, Brennan could have easily had a hat-trick. What worries me is that away to Armenia we can't lose and we need to take our chances, their defence is rubbish and their keeper is terrible, put it on them with the same team and spoil when needed, like they did in Cardiff.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 11, 2023 21:53:11 GMT
We don't need to win against Croatia. We need to beat Armenia, get at least a draw against Croatia - then we go into the last game knowing a win qualifies us Turkey will go into the final game on 13 points f they beat Latvia, 14 if they draw with Croatia. If we draw with Croatia and beat Armenia we’ll be on 11. A win against Turkey wouldn’t be enough - we’d need a big win to overturn the head to head. Croatia are far better than us, but they always give you a chance. We have to be bold. Remember ROI at home? All Turkey will need to do is sit deep, play on the counter, and avoid a heavy defeat. We are terrible at breaking down teams in those circumstances. I really don't think Turkey are getting anything away to Croatia, Croatia beat them comfortably in Turkey and it's not a good match up for the way Turkey play in my opinion. Could happen of course, and if it does then yes the defeats to Turkey & Armenia will be the ones that kill our campaign, but balance of probabilities tell me Turkey go into the final game with 13 points, and it will depend on whether we've been able to get 4 pts out of Armenia/Croatia |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 11, 2023 21:54:13 GMT
Jac o the North is at best an idiotic conspiracy theorist. I'd probably stop paying him any attention if I was you. Some of his views can be way out but he sure does back some of his ideas with hard facts and documents and an idiotic conspiracy theorist possibly to the mainstream media who refuse to investigate goings on in Wales and the Welsh government. Jac o the North is a moron |
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Post by dai on Sept 11, 2023 21:54:57 GMT
Latvia no10 should have been sent off for the tackle on James.....potential knee breaker. No effort to win the ball, purely out to injure the player.
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Post by jimexotic on Sept 11, 2023 21:55:35 GMT
Right now I'd take third place if we were offered it
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Post by jimexotic on Sept 11, 2023 21:56:24 GMT
Latvia no10 should have been sent off for the tackle on James.....potential knee breaker. I like an explanation from the ref about how that wasn't a red card, it was worse than Kieffer's and Morrell's put together. |
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Post by dai on Sept 11, 2023 21:58:17 GMT
Latvia no10 should have been sent off for the tackle on James.....potential knee breaker. I like an explanation from the ref about how that wasn't a red card, it was worse than Kieffer's and Morrell's put together. It was f*cking awful, it was basically an assault, not a tackle. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Sept 11, 2023 21:59:58 GMT
I'll definitely take that. First 35mins was our best performance in a while. Latvia were absolutely shocking, but we opened them up with ease and should have been 2 or 3 up. But there's obviously something not quite right. From a position where we were well on top and looked comfortable, we all of a sudden became incredibly nervy and lost all shape and composure. There were massive gaps in midfield again (I think the praise for James is fair, but he and Ampadu must take some blame for those massive gaps that appeared), we stopped trying to keep hold of the ball, Ward was pumping everything long and just giving back possession instantly. We then seemed to regather ourselves for a period, but went through another really poor spell after Rambo went off. Players went into their shells, we stopped communicating and became completely disorganised. I was disappointed that the likes of Ampadu and Davies didn't step up and show a bit more leadership. I personally think the fans deserve to take some of the blame for the toxic environment that's been created - it just puts pressure on the players and can't have helped the nerves. But what doesn't help Page is how we at times looked so disorganised and that players didn't know what their roles were and what we were trying to do. There was that corner near the end and a Connor Roberts long throw where lots of the players were clearly not expecting it. The lack of subs is also questionable - Sheehan should maybe have come on to help get back some control, Broadhead could have been another one. I think Rodon was excellent - he was up against that massive CF and absolutely bossed it, that header at the end that led to Brooks' goal a perfect example. The midfield was the main issue for me today - they were great for about half the game, and really struggled to get control the other half. Lots of good points, especially regarding the loss of control. At least a good step in the right direction. Selection for the Croatia game, up front, could be quite a headache. It would be hard not to play Dan James, Ramsey and Moore. But that would mean leaving Brooks, Johnson and Wilson out. Problem for another day. |
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Post by saturn9 on Sept 11, 2023 22:02:20 GMT
Some of his views can be way out but he sure does back some of his ideas with hard facts and documents and an idiotic conspiracy theorist possibly to the mainstream media who refuse to investigate goings on in Wales and the Welsh government. Jac o the North is a moron He's not everybody's cup of tea, but anyone who's willing to openly criticise Corruption Bay and 'welsh' Labour daily is fine by me😁 |
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