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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 6, 2023 22:21:20 GMT
Cap counter:
Ben Davies - due to hit 80 in this camp. Aged 30, might have to downgrade his club in the next season or two, but will still be a key part of things and is the type of player who will have longevity. Averaging 7 caps per year, so he looks certain for the 100 club by the age of 32, and needs to play until he's 34 at a similar rate to break Bale's record. Very do-able and I expect him to hit around 120 caps before retiring
Neco - due to hit 32 in this camp at the age of 22. Averaging 8.7 caps per year. Obviously that feels a little high for an average given we've qualified for 2 tournaments since his debut, and as an attacking full-back I doubt he'll have the longevity of Davies. But if he averages 7 caps a year and plays until he's 33/34 he'll make 100 caps. I expect him to finish on a similar number to Bale and Gunter at around the 110 mark
Rambo - due to hit 84 at the age of 32. I think he's easily got 16 more caps in him after that. Seems determined to join the 100 club, and I think it would be a real shame if he didn't get there, so I think the FAW will put in considerable effort to get him there if he needs it given his contribution over the years. He's started the season really well, so I think he'll be around for another few years yet to get over 100 - can't see him overtaking Bale or Gunts tho!
Ampadu - due to hit 46 at the age of 22. Averaging 6.6 caps per year, but has averaged 8.5 per year since 2019 when he overcame those growing pain issues. If he continues with an average of 8 per year he will hit 100 caps by the age of 29! Again we're looking at a player who will likely smash the record, and end up on something like 140 possibly 150 caps
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Sept 7, 2023 8:53:31 GMT
In our group's qualifiers taking place tomorrow night (Friday), it would be a bit of turn up of the books if Latvia were to get something away from home in Croatia; likewise, Armenia in Turkey.
By the time we're in Riga on Monday, the group table may not perhaps look as we might have expected it to look!
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 7, 2023 8:56:33 GMT
Tom King given the number 1 - is he possibly going to be given a debut? He's travelled around a fair bit with the squad without ever being given a go
Maybe he will receive a cap of appreciation for his commitment? Or they've just given him Wayne's number as a formality
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 7, 2023 9:00:59 GMT
In our group's qualifiers taking place tomorrow night (Friday), it would be a bit of turn up of the books if Latvia were to get something away from home in Croatia; likewise, Armenia in Turkey. By the time we're in Riga on Monday, the group table may not perhaps look as we might have expected it to look! We need Armenia to take points off Turkey now. I think it's best that Armenia beat them You're right it is a different complexion if they do beat Turkey and we beat Latvia, but it's a lot of ifs at this point |
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Post by njdragon on Sept 7, 2023 9:22:41 GMT
Tom King given the number 1 - is he possibly going to be given a debut? He's travelled around a fair bit with the squad without ever being given a go Maybe he will receive a cap of appreciation for his commitment? Or they've just given him Wayne's number as a formality that would be an odd one, no keepers getting regular game time you would expect our first choice to play the match and then again latvia. Maybe it shows Hennessey isn't in our plans anymore, possibly more of a coaching role for him? |
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Post by fiveattheback on Sept 7, 2023 9:43:33 GMT
Tom King given the number 1 - is he possibly going to be given a debut? He's travelled around a fair bit with the squad without ever being given a go Maybe he will receive a cap of appreciation for his commitment? Or they've just given him Wayne's number as a formality that would be an odd one, no keepers getting regular game time you would expect our first choice to play the match and then again latvia. Maybe it shows Hennessey isn't in our plans anymore, possibly more of a coaching role for him? I think there was a question around his fitness I don't think he should be our number 1 going forward anyway, 37 in January and hardly playing football at all, I'd be surprised if he continues after this campaign. As much as Danny Ward barely plays he is at least 7 years younger |
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Post by eppingblue1 on Sept 7, 2023 10:32:46 GMT
In our group's qualifiers taking place tomorrow night (Friday), it would be a bit of turn up of the books if Latvia were to get something away from home in Croatia; likewise, Armenia in Turkey. By the time we're in Riga on Monday, the group table may not perhaps look as we might have expected it to look! Latvia have zero chance of getting a result against Croatia. Armenia getting a result in Turkey is possible but unlikely. We've got ourselves into this mess and have to win on Monday and at home to Croatia to stay in this. Otherwise it playoffs and praying that enough teams at the top of league B qualify directly and Ukraine and Norway end up in the group B play off. |
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Post by iot on Sept 7, 2023 21:30:04 GMT
With Johnson ineffective and on the periphery tonight, who would people start centrally for this game? I don't think we have another option. I don't like Wilson there and Bradshaw’s not good enough imo, so I'd probably go with Johnson again. It'll be a very different game where we will have 60-70% possession, so hopefully we can get Johnson much more involved. We could switch formation to a 532 which suits Johnson (and arguably Ramsey) much better, but I'm not sure who'd partner Johnson? Probably Broadhead. I can't see a place for Wilson or Brooks in that formation.
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Post by talyfan on Sept 7, 2023 21:50:13 GMT
Not my team but see Page going with
Ward
Mepham Rodon Davies
Connor Ampadu Ramsey Neco
Wilson Johnson Broadhead
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 7, 2023 22:06:23 GMT
Think Page will go with;
Ward
Mepham-Rodon-Davies
Connor-Ampadu-JJ-Neco
Wilson-Johnson-Ramsey
I'd prefer to see;
Ward
Mepham-Rodon-Davies
Connor-Ampadu-JJ-Neco
Brennan-Bradshaw-Ramsey
And have a genuine box player in there. If we have to play Brennan up there I'd prefer Brooks on the right and Brennan up front to Wilson being there
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Post by morg on Sept 8, 2023 7:41:43 GMT
Think Page will go with; Ward Mepham-Rodon-Davies Connor-Ampadu-JJ-Neco Wilson-Johnson-Ramsey I'd prefer to see; Ward Mepham-Rodon-Davies Connor-Ampadu-JJ-Neco Brennan-Bradshaw-Ramsey And have a genuine box player in there. If we have to play Brennan up there I'd prefer Brooks on the right and Brennan up front to Wilson being there Agreed. Bradshaw may not be everyone's cup of tea but balance of team better with a centre forward. That role doesn't get best out of Brennan either.Given how we started last night though, can't see that happening though. Don't know what would have been lost last night in using Bradshaw instead of Moore as a half time sub? Would have had more relevance for Monday. |
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Post by iot on Sept 8, 2023 8:34:02 GMT
Think Page will go with; Ward Mepham-Rodon-Davies Connor-Ampadu-JJ-Neco Wilson-Johnson-Ramsey I'd prefer to see; Ward Mepham-Rodon-Davies Connor-Ampadu-JJ-Neco Brennan-Bradshaw-Ramsey And have a genuine box player in there. If we have to play Brennan up there I'd prefer Brooks on the right and Brennan up front to Wilson being there I wouldn't mind going for that, although in reality I think it would be more of a 532 than a 523 - so with Ramsey playing centrally behind Brenna and Bradshaw who would be the split forwards. I'm not convinced at all that Bradshaw's good enough, but neither am I about Broadhead - it's a toss-up between the two for me. The main drawback from this formation is that there's no room for two of our main attacking threats in Wilson (who I felt played well yesterday) and Brooks, but it's probably worthwhile making that sacrifice to avoid playing Ramsey deeper, and we can always change it second half if needed. So I'd probably lean towards: Ward Mepham-Rodon-Davies Connor-Ampadu-JJ-Neco Ramsey Brennan-Bradshaw/Broadhead |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Sept 8, 2023 11:48:06 GMT
The good thing that came out of last night's match was that we can pretty much all agree on the defensive 7 of:
Ward
Roberts Mepham Rodon Davies Neco
Ampadu JJ
That should give us a solid experienced platform, with Sheehan to come on second half, especially if we're not in front.
As for the front three I'd go for the box formation with Ramsey and Johnson as twin 10s and Wilson up front. That's not much of a vote of confidence in Bradshaw or Broadhead, but I think we could do either Wilson 's trickery and clever movement. I can see him winning free kicks or a penalty. If Page prefers Bradshaw or Broadhead I'd be fine with that too.
Johnson showed yesterday that he's no number 9, and I'd much rather seem him running at the defence than having his back to goal. The Wilson chance first half shows how the box formation can work, with lovely one touch football, with passes of no more than 10 yards, creating the chance.
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Post by talyfan on Sept 8, 2023 12:29:38 GMT
It'll be a tough game. Big miss will be Moore just having that focal point and somebody able to get onto the end of crosses in the box.
I'd like to see Bradshaw play. Although and I'll get laughed at for saying it but always think players like Doidge would be handy for us off the bench. Just a big lump to aim something in there when we get no joy trying to walk it in against these teams who stifle and protect the 18 yard box.
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Post by morg on Sept 8, 2023 12:49:45 GMT
It'll be a tough game. Big miss will be Moore just having that focal point and somebody able to get onto the end of crosses in the box. I'd like to see Bradshaw play. Although and I'll get laughed at for saying it but always think players like Doidge would be handy for us off the bench. Just a big lump to aim something in there when we get no joy trying to walk it in against these teams who stifle and protect the 18 yard box. Tend to agree. Don't know about Doidge but we do benefit from an out ball. Even with Bale and Ramsey at their finest, we still benefitted from a Robson-Kanu or Vokes in the team. Korea were just man-handling Brennan off the ball at times last night. Think he's far more effective playing off a front man. Sometimes you have to take a down grade in terms of an individual to benefit the balance of the team. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 8, 2023 13:38:58 GMT
It'll be a tough game. Big miss will be Moore just having that focal point and somebody able to get onto the end of crosses in the box. I'd like to see Bradshaw play. Although and I'll get laughed at for saying it but always think players like Doidge would be handy for us off the bench. Just a big lump to aim something in there when we get no joy trying to walk it in against these teams who stifle and protect the 18 yard box. Tend to agree. Don't know about Doidge but we do benefit from an out ball. Even with Bale and Ramsey at their finest, we still benefitted from a Robson-Kanu or Vokes in the team. Korea were just man-handling Brennan off the ball at times last night. Think he's far more effective playing off a front man. Sometimes you have to take a down grade in terms of an individual to benefit the balance of the team. Yeah Brennan has never played as a sole striker for Forest, always in a 2 with Awoniyi who is a lump I don't think we should be playing him up there on his own. Would rather Wilson down the middle as I think Wilson's build up isn't all that but he does have an eye for goal and makes decent runs in the box |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Sept 8, 2023 13:58:01 GMT
Who'd be a manager? This is where the manager earns his crust, and where Page has tended to come up short. Against Latvia, who are a tall and physical side the advantage of having a big number 9 will be less evident, so better to go with the nimble and fleet of foot, keeping the ball on the deck. Wilson and Brooks are our best options, but I wouldn't claim either are a great option.
We really need to out-football Latvia, we have the quality to move them around.
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Post by talyfan on Sept 8, 2023 14:55:15 GMT
Wouldn't necessarily start with a target man but just the option of having one to give us a different option off the bench.
Despite the quality of the starting players often feel when we're struggling for goals we have very few game changers who can provide something different other than Matondo at the moment. We can't really change shape that much either.
Cullen, Broadhead, Burns would all virtually give us similar output if we were chasing a game.
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Post by fiveattheback on Sept 8, 2023 15:25:26 GMT
Tend to agree. Don't know about Doidge but we do benefit from an out ball. Even with Bale and Ramsey at their finest, we still benefitted from a Robson-Kanu or Vokes in the team. Korea were just man-handling Brennan off the ball at times last night. Think he's far more effective playing off a front man. Sometimes you have to take a down grade in terms of an individual to benefit the balance of the team. Yeah Brennan has never played as a sole striker for Forest, always in a 2 with Awoniyi who is a lump I don't think we should be playing him up there on his own. Would rather Wilson down the middle as I think Wilson's build up isn't all that but he does have an eye for goal and makes decent runs in the box I remember a while back a discussion about whether Wilson could play up front with his finishing ability, I think he probably has the technical attributes to play there but physically he'd get bullied, he's not the tallest and is fairly slight |
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Post by iot on Sept 8, 2023 15:50:19 GMT
Tend to agree. Don't know about Doidge but we do benefit from an out ball. Even with Bale and Ramsey at their finest, we still benefitted from a Robson-Kanu or Vokes in the team. Korea were just man-handling Brennan off the ball at times last night. Think he's far more effective playing off a front man. Sometimes you have to take a down grade in terms of an individual to benefit the balance of the team. Yeah Brennan has never played as a sole striker for Forest, always in a 2 with Awoniyi who is a lump I don't think we should be playing him up there on his own. Would rather Wilson down the middle as I think Wilson's build up isn't all that but he does have an eye for goal and makes decent runs in the box "Yeah Brennan has never played as a sole striker for Forest, always in a 2 with Awoniyi who is a lump" He has at times actually e.g. the first game this season against Arsenal, but I agree it certainly doesn't get the best out of him. |
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Post by manulike on Sept 8, 2023 15:56:32 GMT
Cap counter: Ben Davies - due to hit 80 in this camp. Aged 30, might have to downgrade his club in the next season or two, but will still be a key part of things and is the type of player who will have longevity. Averaging 7 caps per year, so he looks certain for the 100 club by the age of 32, and needs to play until he's 34 at a similar rate to break Bale's record. Very do-able and I expect him to hit around 120 caps before retiring Neco - due to hit 32 in this camp at the age of 22. Averaging 8.7 caps per year. Obviously that feels a little high for an average given we've qualified for 2 tournaments since his debut, and as an attacking full-back I doubt he'll have the longevity of Davies. But if he averages 7 caps a year and plays until he's 33/34 he'll make 100 caps. I expect him to finish on a similar number to Bale and Gunter at around the 110 mark Rambo - due to hit 84 at the age of 32. I think he's easily got 16 more caps in him after that. Seems determined to join the 100 club, and I think it would be a real shame if he didn't get there, so I think the FAW will put in considerable effort to get him there if he needs it given his contribution over the years. He's started the season really well, so I think he'll be around for another few years yet to get over 100 - can't see him overtaking Bale or Gunts tho! Ampadu - due to hit 46 at the age of 22. Averaging 6.6 caps per year, but has averaged 8.5 per year since 2019 when he overcame those growing pain issues. If he continues with an average of 8 per year he will hit 100 caps by the age of 29! Again we're looking at a player who will likely smash the record, and end up on something like 140 possibly 150 caps May I add young Connor to the list. A mere 27yo and got his 49th cap last night. Another one for the 100 club, surely? |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 9, 2023 9:08:55 GMT
Cap counter: Ben Davies - due to hit 80 in this camp. Aged 30, might have to downgrade his club in the next season or two, but will still be a key part of things and is the type of player who will have longevity. Averaging 7 caps per year, so he looks certain for the 100 club by the age of 32, and needs to play until he's 34 at a similar rate to break Bale's record. Very do-able and I expect him to hit around 120 caps before retiring Neco - due to hit 32 in this camp at the age of 22. Averaging 8.7 caps per year. Obviously that feels a little high for an average given we've qualified for 2 tournaments since his debut, and as an attacking full-back I doubt he'll have the longevity of Davies. But if he averages 7 caps a year and plays until he's 33/34 he'll make 100 caps. I expect him to finish on a similar number to Bale and Gunter at around the 110 mark Rambo - due to hit 84 at the age of 32. I think he's easily got 16 more caps in him after that. Seems determined to join the 100 club, and I think it would be a real shame if he didn't get there, so I think the FAW will put in considerable effort to get him there if he needs it given his contribution over the years. He's started the season really well, so I think he'll be around for another few years yet to get over 100 - can't see him overtaking Bale or Gunts tho! Ampadu - due to hit 46 at the age of 22. Averaging 6.6 caps per year, but has averaged 8.5 per year since 2019 when he overcame those growing pain issues. If he continues with an average of 8 per year he will hit 100 caps by the age of 29! Again we're looking at a player who will likely smash the record, and end up on something like 140 possibly 150 caps May I add young Connor to the list. A mere 27yo and got his 49th cap last night. Another one for the 100 club, surely? Might be a struggle if another RB or LB comes on the scene. 50 caps takes about 7/8 years, so he'd have to be regular until 34/35 I think |
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Post by fiveattheback on Sept 9, 2023 10:53:54 GMT
May I add young Connor to the list. A mere 27yo and got his 49th cap last night. Another one for the 100 club, surely? Might be a struggle if another RB or LB comes on the scene. 50 caps takes about 7/8 years, so he'd have to be regular until 34/35 I think I'm surprised he's held on to a starting spot for as long as he has tbh, I think if a good left back comes on the scene (a recovered RND/breakthrough from Beck perhaps) then Roberts is the one who'll make way out of him and Neco |
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Post by jimexotic on Sept 9, 2023 13:21:34 GMT
Big fan of Roberts but he doesn't appear to be the all energy swashbuckling player of a couple of years ago at the moment. Of course his recent attitude might be swaying me a bit but I think the way Kompany, a massively overrated manager at this point in time, had him playing in a rubbish Championship last season and the tactics employed by Page might be neutralising some of the good bits about his game.
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Post by winsumluzsum on Sept 9, 2023 17:11:05 GMT
Big fan of Roberts but he doesn't appear to be the all energy swashbuckling player of a couple of years ago at the moment. Of course his recent attitude might be swaying me a bit but I think the way Kompany, a massively overrated manager at this point in time, had him playing in a rubbish Championship last season and the tactics employed by Page might be neutralising some of the good bits about his game. Kompany overrated, you're kidding right?! Transformed Burnley overnight into a possession-led outfit, won the league with 101 points, 21 clear of third place. What exactly makes him overrated? |
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Post by jackanapes on Sept 9, 2023 17:48:14 GMT
I’m frankly astonished at the continual criticism of Roberts by some of you (particularly as many of you have otherwise sane opinions). He’s a terrific and committed player who always gives 100%. I think Neco and Roberts as full backs or wing backs complement each other well. Roberts is better defensively but Nico has that extra creative spark. I’d suggest that any apparent dips in form with either of these players are due to the specific instructions they are given in a particular game, or the lack of cover/understanding from the player ahead if them in midfield/attack. If we manage to unearth an upgrade on either of these two in the next few years we will be incredibly lucky.
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Post by winsumluzsum on Sept 9, 2023 18:03:41 GMT
Well said jackanapes. We need to have a bit more faith in Connor. Yes, his form is poor, but he's at his best playing neat triangles. Has there been those opportunities of late? Perhapz the loss of Allen is significant here. With the return of Brooks hopefully the neat triangles and Connor's form will return.
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Post by marsvolta on Sept 9, 2023 19:25:06 GMT
We’ve got many weaknesses, but Connor Roberts isn’t one of them.
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Post by jbt95 on Sept 10, 2023 5:22:39 GMT
Big fan of Roberts but he doesn't appear to be the all energy swashbuckling player of a couple of years ago at the moment. Of course his recent attitude might be swaying me a bit but I think the way Kompany, a massively overrated manager at this point in time, had him playing in a rubbish Championship last season and the tactics employed by Page might be neutralising some of the good bits about his game. How is Kompany overrated? Did you expect Burnley to beat Man City, Villa or Spurs? |
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Post by jimexotic on Sept 10, 2023 11:26:52 GMT
Big fan of Roberts but he doesn't appear to be the all energy swashbuckling player of a couple of years ago at the moment. Of course his recent attitude might be swaying me a bit but I think the way Kompany, a massively overrated manager at this point in time, had him playing in a rubbish Championship last season and the tactics employed by Page might be neutralising some of the good bits about his game. Kompany overrated, you're kidding right?! Transformed Burnley overnight into a possession-led outfit, won the league with 101 points, 21 clear of third place. What exactly makes him overrated? It's Norwich City 2.0 only with a bigger budget and better squad. Daniel Farkes Norwich rinsed stronger Championships than the one Burnley won last season playing similar easy on the eye attacking football, nobody said that Farke was some sort of revolutionary though. Burnley have been smashed in their opening three games, they look naive and unable to adapt to attacking threats which is why anyone that lands a glove on them will have success. All we're hearing though is "I think they'll be alright", based on what, beating the likes of Rotherham with a load of Premier League loanees last season? |
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