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Post by fiveattheback on Sept 23, 2023 18:11:08 GMT
I tend to agree with this, it's the kind of game that could pass him by because his style isn't to dig in and "put a shift in" which is required in these kind of games from everyone for us right now because there's a quality gap that has to be bridged. He's our best player but it's horses for courses, not an art show. That reads quite depressingly I know but if Ramsey is having to run all over the place it nullifies his qualities. The issue is that if we don't start Ramsey and lose, 1-0 or 10-0, Page rather wrongly has petrol poured over him and set on fire. I think Ramsey will start, he's our captain and this is a huge game, I don't think he finishes the game though. I wonder how much people actually watch Ramsey play. His running stats are almost always the highest in the team. He absolutely does get stuck in. He's great off the ball as well as on it. The game against England in Euro 16 springs to mind. We were poor and they had 70% of the ball, but Ramsey was our best player. He's an ultra competitor, our leader, and best player. It would be madness not to start him against Croatia Exactly. There's this idea that Ramsey is some kind of luxury player who doesn't get stuck in, simply not true. I'd also love to know where they're getting the idea that Brooks and Johnson are bigger grafters than Ramsey. |
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Post by iot on Sept 23, 2023 18:47:06 GMT
I wonder how much people actually watch Ramsey play. His running stats are almost always the highest in the team. He absolutely does get stuck in. He's great off the ball as well as on it. The game against England in Euro 16 springs to mind. We were poor and they had 70% of the ball, but Ramsey was our best player. He's an ultra competitor, our leader, and best player. It would be madness not to start him against Croatia Exactly. There's this idea that Ramsey is some kind of luxury player who doesn't get stuck in, simply not true. I'd also love to know where they're getting the idea that Brooks and Johnson are bigger grafters than Ramsey. Anyone who understands anything about Ramsey would know that his engine has always been one of his main assets. He's not a classic 10 like an Ozil, he's all-action |
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Post by jimexotic on Sept 23, 2023 19:35:18 GMT
Against Croatia it's going to be more a case of running off the ball to defend though, I'd love it to work with Ramsey on but against Turkey he gave away a penalty after chasing a mistake of his. I agree, he's our best player and I wouldn't be at all surprised if he starts but I understand the argument for and against him starting.
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Post by fiveattheback on Sept 24, 2023 11:55:42 GMT
Against Croatia it's going to be more a case of running off the ball to defend though, I'd love it to work with Ramsey on but against Turkey he gave away a penalty after chasing a mistake of his. I agree, he's our best player and I wouldn't be at all surprised if he starts but I understand the argument for and against him starting. Which is exactly what he offers? One of his strengths has always been as a "defensive 10" and as iot points out is an all-action player. He's obviously fantastic going forward but he also wins tackles, makes interceptions and hassles players He can't play deeper, but that doesn't mean he can't defend. One of the reasons he can't play deeper is the fact that he wants to press and does a lot of running off the ball |
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Post by iot on Sept 25, 2023 12:03:02 GMT
Recent developments have made the selection decisions easier for Page with Johnson's injury, Wilson dropped to the bench, Brooks getting limited gametime. I would strongly favour the following formation and line-up which I think provides by far our best chance of getting a result:
Ward
Mepham Rodon Davies
Roberts James Ampadu Neco
Rambo
Moore James
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Sept 25, 2023 12:16:32 GMT
At present though, of the above suggested line-up... J James / Neco / Kieffer Moore are not first choices for their clubs. At least Brooksy made it onto the field as a sub yesterday. Neither Rambo nor Mepham played for over the weekend, and Brennan is injured (although we don't know for how long).
Do we need to re-think whether that line-up above is truly "the best chance of getting a result" vs Croatia, one of the top 6 ranked teams in the world?
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Post by iot on Sept 25, 2023 17:02:23 GMT
At present though, of the above suggested line-up... J James / Neco / Kieffer Moore are not first choices for their clubs. At least Brooksy made it onto the field as a sub yesterday. Neither Rambo nor Mepham played for over the weekend, and Brennan is injured (although we don't know for how long). Do we need to re-think whether that line-up above is truly "the best chance of getting a result" vs Croatia, one of the top 6 ranked teams in the world? It was ever thus! Of the players you mention, we could go for Morrell over James, but I think James deserves the start after his last couple of performances. Neco's lack of playing time is a concern, but who else would we go for at left wing back? I'd just give him some minutes against Gibraltar to get him up to speed. We could go to a back 4, but that would be a brave call (and the wrong choice imo) after our success in the last window. Moore's lack of playing time is also a concern, but again we don't have an improvement, particularly if we go for this type of 532 formation (as opposed to a 523). Ramsey's been playing every weekend with the exception of this last one, and only missed that game due to illness apparently, so that's not a concern. Mepham's in the same position as he was in the last games where he did well - against he's probably our best option (Lockyer's had a sketchy start to the season). I say this team would give us the best chance because they're all grafters, the formation gives us a lot more solidity than other options, and it gives us a lot of pace and out-balls up top in James and Moore. Obviously Croatia are still massively strong favourites and we'd be lucky to get a result no matter how we shape up, but this gives us the best chance imo. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 27, 2023 20:34:53 GMT
If I'm picking a team that I think is most capable of getting a result against Croatia then Rambo isn't in that, because of his characteristics & the characteristics of other players I agree with you he's our most imaginative & creative player, and he's in the best head space, and physical condition he's been in for a while But none of that means he's the correct type of player to hurt Croatia I tend to agree with this, it's the kind of game that could pass him by because his style isn't to dig in and "put a shift in" which is required in these kind of games from everyone for us right now because there's a quality gap that has to be bridged. He's our best player but it's horses for courses, not an art show. That reads quite depressingly I know but if Ramsey is having to run all over the place it nullifies his qualities. The issue is that if we don't start Ramsey and lose, 1-0 or 10-0, Page rather wrongly has petrol poured over him and set on fire. I think Ramsey will start, he's our captain and this is a huge game, I don't think he finishes the game though. I don't doubt for a second that Ramsey will start, I just personally wouldn't start him if everyone is fit and available. Not because I don't think he can defend well enough, but because I'd pick our most pacey front 3 as a tactic in that game, given we will have 30% of the ball - which nullifies Ramsey's strengths |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 27, 2023 20:36:25 GMT
Recent developments have made the selection decisions easier for Page with Johnson's injury, Wilson dropped to the bench, Brooks getting limited gametime. I would strongly favour the following formation and line-up which I think provides by far our best chance of getting a result: Ward Mepham Rodon Davies Roberts James Ampadu Neco Rambo Moore James I think DJ is touch and go at the moment with his injury. Based on current fitness and availability I'd go with Moore, Brooks & Ramsey, however without DJ & Brennan I don't give us much of a chance of creating anything. Worth saying that Page will also probably start Wilson ahead of Brooks too |
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Post by iot on Sept 27, 2023 20:59:56 GMT
Recent developments have made the selection decisions easier for Page with Johnson's injury, Wilson dropped to the bench, Brooks getting limited gametime. I would strongly favour the following formation and line-up which I think provides by far our best chance of getting a result: Ward Mepham Rodon Davies Roberts James Ampadu Neco Rambo Moore James I think DJ is touch and go at the moment with his injury. Based on current fitness and availability I'd go with Moore, Brooks & Ramsey, however without DJ & Brennan I don't give us much of a chance of creating anything. Worth saying that Page will also probably start Wilson ahead of Brooks too He started Leeds' last two games. He's fully fit |
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Sept 27, 2023 21:04:35 GMT
I too think that, come what may, he'll start with Harry Wilson in the line-up against Croatia (he incidentally provided the assist for Fulham's winning goal against Norwich tonight in the EFL Cup).
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Post by iot on Sept 27, 2023 21:24:49 GMT
I too think that, come what may, he'll start with Harry Wilson in the line-up against Croatia (he incidentally provided the assist for Fulham's winning goal against Norwich tonight in the EFL Cup). How do you see us lining up then? I'm pretty sure he'll stick with the back five, and doubt he'll risk moving Ramsey back, so that only leaves 3 positions. Only way I can see him starting Wilson is ahead of Moore as a false 9 or playing James centrally. But I think he'll want Moore to provide a focal point, and he loves James, and he'll start Rambo if fit, so I think benching Wilson is the most likely scenario |
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Sept 28, 2023 8:23:02 GMT
Maybe, we'll just have to wait and see - I suppose unforeseen injuries etc could still influence final team selection, as all players have a few club games still to play before our camp gets together on 8/9 October.
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Post by jimexotic on Sept 28, 2023 15:31:36 GMT
I think the news about Ramsey pretty much confirms that he won't be starting
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 28, 2023 15:53:38 GMT
I think the news about Ramsey pretty much confirms that he won't be starting A shame for sure, although I will get to test my theory now. A boost as well re: Brennan is that he's been back on grass this week and was removed as more of a precaution last week. With that in mind I'd now go with; Brooks-Brennan-DJ But I think Page will go for; Brennan-Moore-DJ |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Sept 28, 2023 21:25:04 GMT
I'd go for:
Brooks
Moore-DJ
But I agree that Page will go for:
Brennan-Moore-DJ
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Post by iot on Sept 28, 2023 21:56:27 GMT
I'd go for: Brooks Moore-DJ But I agree that Page will go for: Brennan-Moore-DJ Yeah, if Brennan's fit that's what I think he'll go for too. Slightly concerned about that right flank due to Brennan's lack of work rate. Thankfully, they won't have Perisic to punish us in that area |
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Post by barneycat1 on Sept 29, 2023 4:24:34 GMT
Only about 800 tickets left.
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Post by dai on Sept 29, 2023 10:51:09 GMT
Wilson starts instead of Ramsey imo.
Ampadu - James
Wilson
DJ - Moore
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Post by hal on Sept 30, 2023 18:22:19 GMT
How are we looking squad wise? From my oversight it appears we have a number of injuries and majority of first team are not playing for their clubs.
Ward- Not playing
Roberts
Mepham- not playing
Rodon- Left out of Leeds team today
Davies- not playing
Neco- not playing
Ampadu
JJ- not playing
Wilson- Not playing
Brooks- Not playing
James
Moore- not playing
Johnson- injured
Broadhead
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Post by iot on Sept 30, 2023 19:09:59 GMT
How are we looking squad wise? From my oversight it appears we have a number of injuries and majority of first team are not playing for their clubs. Ward- Not playing Roberts Mepham- not playing Rodon- Left out of Leeds team today Davies- not playing Neco- not playing Ampadu JJ- not playing Wilson- Not playing Brooks- Not playing James Moore- not playing Johnson- injured Broadhead Latest I've heard is that Mepham and Neco have been injured, which is why they've not been involved in squads. I think Neco may return this weekend, but Mepham's likely to miss the next internationals. Rodon was starting before his suspension, I think he'll be back in the side next game seeing that they conceded 3 today without him. Wilson's only been dropped for one game so hopefully that was just a one-off |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 1, 2023 11:28:08 GMT
Wilson starts instead of Ramsey imo. Ampadu - James Wilson DJ - Moore No way Brennan doesn't start if fit. Looks like he will be first choice LW for Spurs, and that makes him easily our best attacker in terms of his level |
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Post by dai on Oct 1, 2023 13:33:09 GMT
Wilson starts instead of Ramsey imo. Ampadu - James Wilson DJ - Moore No way Brennan doesn't start if fit. Looks like he will be first choice LW for Spurs, and that makes him easily our best attacker in terms of his level Well yeah, it looks likely he wont be fit enough hence why he wasnt in that line up. In saying that, has he done enough in a Welsh shirt to warrant dislodging one of those players? |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 1, 2023 13:52:49 GMT
No way Brennan doesn't start if fit. Looks like he will be first choice LW for Spurs, and that makes him easily our best attacker in terms of his level Well yeah, it looks likely he wont be fit enough hence why he wasnt in that line up. In saying that, has he done enough in a Welsh shirt to warrant dislodging one of those players? Ange has said he'll likely be back for the next game for Spurs, just missing one game with a knock |
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Oct 2, 2023 18:20:16 GMT
I suppose we want Croatia to beat Turkey convincingly on the Thursday night, 12/10/23 - don't we?
Because then... (a) it gives Turkey less points to be able to rack up in the group, AND they still have to face us in Cardiff in November; and (b) such a result could, psychologically, mean that the travelling Croats will ease up, 'take their foot off the pedal' and play with less urgency against us on Sunday, 15/10/23. (They may also have picked up some injuries and/or cards against the Turks).
Just thoughts!!
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Post by jbt95 on Oct 2, 2023 21:35:48 GMT
I suppose we want Croatia to beat Turkey convincingly on the Thursday night, 12/10/23 - don't we? Because then... (a) it gives Turkey less points to be able to rack up in the group, AND they still have to face us in Cardiff in November; and (b) such a result could, psychologically, mean that the travelling Croats will ease up, 'take their foot off the pedal' and play with less urgency against us on Sunday, 15/10/23. (They may also have picked up some injuries and/or cards against the Turks). Just thoughts!! Yes we want a Croatian win for sure on the 12th! |
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Post by welshrover on Oct 2, 2023 22:59:18 GMT
Wonder if he will call up Tom Lawrence 🙂
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Post by manulike on Oct 3, 2023 13:08:58 GMT
Wonder if he will call up Tom Lawrence 🙂 Is our thomas Injury free? |
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Post by marsvolta on Oct 3, 2023 14:12:14 GMT
Wonder if he will call up Tom Lawrence 🙂 SPOILER ALERT- he won’t |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 4, 2023 0:00:07 GMT
I suppose we want Croatia to beat Turkey convincingly on the Thursday night, 12/10/23 - don't we? Because then... (a) it gives Turkey less points to be able to rack up in the group, AND they still have to face us in Cardiff in November; and (b) such a result could, psychologically, mean that the travelling Croats will ease up, 'take their foot off the pedal' and play with less urgency against us on Sunday, 15/10/23. (They may also have picked up some injuries and/or cards against the Turks). Just thoughts!! Yep and I still think we need to be taking a point from our home game against Croatia. If we don't we either need Turkey to drop points against Latvia or beat them by 3 goals in Cardiff, both unlikely outcomes imo |
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