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Post by jbt95 on Oct 12, 2023 21:38:25 GMT
This is now a must win.
Sunday 7:45pm can’t come soon enough!!
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Post by CrackityJones on Oct 12, 2023 21:55:33 GMT
Playing a wounded desperate Croatia. Have to go for it
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Post by erasedcitizen on Oct 13, 2023 7:12:40 GMT
1 senior ticket for sale in the canton end if anyone is interested.
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Post by dai on Oct 13, 2023 8:41:19 GMT
Croatia rarely lose two games on the trot, they'll bounce back Sunday. You watch.
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Post by jimexotic on Oct 13, 2023 8:49:12 GMT
The way I see this group, we just have to beat Armenia and make the play offs, anything else is a bonus.
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Post by cymro on Oct 13, 2023 9:02:34 GMT
Croatia rarely lose two games on the trot, they'll bounce back Sunday. You watch. Fully expecting a bounce back from them, especially considering they no longer control their own destiny if they lose. However, they were so poor last night and already uncharacteristically dropped points at home to us. History could be out the window with the way this current Croatia team is playing. Sunday will be an intriguing watch either way whether we capitalise or they put right their wrongs in a crunch situation. |
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Post by marsvolta on Oct 13, 2023 9:09:14 GMT
The way I see this group, we just have to beat Armenia and make the play offs, anything else is a bonus. We’re in the playoffs anyway, but if we cant beat Armenia then I don’t hold out much hope for us in the playoffs |
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Post by welshowl on Oct 13, 2023 20:57:57 GMT
Team for Sunday then?
Ward
Connor - Rodon - Mepham - Davies - Neco
J James - Ethan
D James - Wilson
Kieffer
Although, is there an injury concern about Mepham? (Lockyer instead). And in a good first half versus Gibraltar, I don't remember Neco doing much at all - would love his industry versus Croatia, but is he fit?
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Oct 14, 2023 10:55:08 GMT
No massive 'creativity' in midfield with that line-up, but - short of bringing in one of Sheehan, Savage or Cullen, from the beginning, which I don't think he'll do - you may well be right, welshowl, with your 'starting' suggestion.
And yes... Lockyer likely to feature in lieu of Mepham, I'm guessing.
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Post by welshrover on Oct 14, 2023 11:16:30 GMT
Team for Sunday then? Ward Connor - Rodon - Mepham - Davies - Neco J James - Ethan D James - Wilson Kieffer Although, is there an injury concern about Mepham? (Lockyer instead). And in a good first half versus Gibraltar, I don't remember Neco doing much at all - would love his industry versus Croatia, but is he fit? Agree with your observations re Neco. He just doesn't appear to be playing with the same hwyl as when he first came into the team. NB. Can't quite come up with the right word so hwyl will have to do! Perhaps "swagger?" |
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Post by iot on Oct 14, 2023 13:33:42 GMT
Team for Sunday then? Ward Connor - Rodon - Mepham - Davies - Neco J James - Ethan D James - Wilson Kieffer Although, is there an injury concern about Mepham? (Lockyer instead). And in a good first half versus Gibraltar, I don't remember Neco doing much at all - would love his industry versus Croatia, but is he fit? Agree with your observations re Neco. He just doesn't appear to be playing with the same hwyl as when he first came into the team. NB. Can't quite come up with the right word so hwyl will have to do! Perhaps "swagger?" Funny how people see things differently. I thought Neco looked good and positive on Wednesday night with several dangerous balls into the box. He was also one of our most dangerous players in the last window. I think people just expect too much after his first couple of games. Always dangerous to read too much into one or two performances. Pretty sure I even saw some Bale comparisons back then! For me, he's a premier league level wing back and probably our best player in that position. He's not the next Gareth Bale, but more than good enough for us! |
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Post by jimexotic on Oct 14, 2023 13:40:35 GMT
The concern for me is that Croatia aren't stupid and are technically superior to us, they may cautiously keep it tight and simple and gradually break us down, they don't need to win this so a draw is a good result for them. I'm going 1-1 or 0-0 but 1-0 either way would not surprise me at all.
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Post by manulike on Oct 14, 2023 18:13:30 GMT
Remember the date: 15 October 2023.
When your grandchildren will ask you - "were you there"?
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Post by welshowl on Oct 15, 2023 11:32:26 GMT
Agree with your observations re Neco. He just doesn't appear to be playing with the same hwyl as when he first came into the team. NB. Can't quite come up with the right word so hwyl will have to do! Perhaps "swagger?" Funny how people see things differently. I thought Neco looked good and positive on Wednesday night with several dangerous balls into the box. He was also one of our most dangerous players in the last window. I think people just expect too much after his first couple of games. Always dangerous to read too much into one or two performances. Pretty sure I even saw some Bale comparisons back then! For me, he's a premier league level wing back and probably our best player in that position. He's not the next Gareth Bale, but more than good enough for us! There was one Neco run towards the box versus Gibraltar that I do rememeber, and longer term I agree with you that he should be a shoe in for the first X1. We're all very glad to have him back already after the friendly fire contact with Brennan's foot in earlier this year. But he's not firing at anywhere near his previous form for Cymru. Whether that's because he's not featuring much for Forest this season, or as they were talking on the latest Y Corridor Ansicrwydd episode, that the previous impulsiveness / daringness is being coached out of him by his club side.
Malcom Allen/OTJ went for the same starting 11 as above. It was lovely feeling the optimism on this site after Turkey won in Croatia, that we can win our last three games. I'm nowhere as confident, and think it will be a tough watch tonight and a 1-1 draw.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 15, 2023 13:42:19 GMT
I was always apprehensive about Neco leaving Liverpool. He was so good for us when he was being managed by Klopp, Klopp has a great track record at developing full backs
There was a clamour for him to leave due to not being regular in the team. However I always thought that unless he started to struggle for us then being under Klopp would be for the best as he made him into an aggressive attacking player
When he left on loan to Fulham he continued that form, looking really positive in a dominant attacking team as a RB/RWB at the top of the league. So in that sense he could mimic his performances at Liverpool
Then I believe he has fallen foul of chasing the next level, but in my opinion joining a struggling PL club is not always better for a players development than staying at the top of the Championship. Rodon, DJ, Ampadu, Neco they all fallen for this a bit. Especially considering now Neco plays for a much more defensive minded team where he gets very little of the ball - I think that's why he *might* have lost a bit of attacking spark
I do think it's better for some players to be promoted upwards, rather than sold upwards, e.g Wilson, Roberts & Brennan, as the clubs tend to stick by them in the XI
Would like to see Neco leave Forest and join a good Championship club in January
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Post by eppingblue1 on Oct 15, 2023 14:49:44 GMT
I was always apprehensive about Neco leaving Liverpool. He was so good for us when he was being managed by Klopp, Klopp has a great track record at developing full backs There was a clamour for him to leave due to not being regular in the team. However I always thought that unless he started to struggle for us then being under Klopp would be for the best as he made him into an aggressive attacking player When he left on loan to Fulham he continued that form, looking really positive in a dominant attacking team as a RB/RWB at the top of the league. So in that sense he could mimic his performances at Liverpool Then I believe he has fallen foul of chasing the next level, but in my opinion joining a struggling PL club is not always better for a players development than staying at the top of the Championship. Rodon, DJ, Ampadu, Neco they all fallen for this a bit. Especially considering now Neco plays for a much more defensive minded team where he gets very little of the ball - I think that's why he *might* have lost a bit of attacking spark I do think it's better for some players to be promoted upwards, rather than sold upwards, e.g Wilson, Roberts & Brennan, as the clubs tend to stick by them in the XI Would like to see Neco leave Forest and join a good Championship club in January Him and Connor need to be much better with their delivery into the box than they have been recently. Keiffer has 4 inches over all their defenders and we have to give him the best chance of using it. In fact lump it in there at every opportunity. Lockyer can be a right nuisance at set pieces but he needs a lesson on the dark arts you get from some of these foreign teams. Looking forward to it but you cant but look at the midfield match up with trepidation. We by necessity are picking kids barely out of nappies, who cant get a start for Brum and asking him to complete with his opposition whose bossing it for Man City. I'm sue he'll give a good account for himself but he's got a hell of a job on. A lot of stars could be born tonight. |
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Post by iot on Oct 15, 2023 15:00:21 GMT
I was always apprehensive about Neco leaving Liverpool. He was so good for us when he was being managed by Klopp, Klopp has a great track record at developing full backs There was a clamour for him to leave due to not being regular in the team. However I always thought that unless he started to struggle for us then being under Klopp would be for the best as he made him into an aggressive attacking player When he left on loan to Fulham he continued that form, looking really positive in a dominant attacking team as a RB/RWB at the top of the league. So in that sense he could mimic his performances at Liverpool Then I believe he has fallen foul of chasing the next level, but in my opinion joining a struggling PL club is not always better for a players development than staying at the top of the Championship. Rodon, DJ, Ampadu, Neco they all fallen for this a bit. Especially considering now Neco plays for a much more defensive minded team where he gets very little of the ball - I think that's why he *might* have lost a bit of attacking spark I do think it's better for some players to be promoted upwards, rather than sold upwards, e.g Wilson, Roberts & Brennan, as the clubs tend to stick by them in the XI Would like to see Neco leave Forest and join a good Championship club in January I disagree with this assessment and the previous comment. I genuinely don't think Neco's performances are all that different in substance or style to the ones he's been putting in for a while. If you'd have seen him coming through the ranks within the Liverpool and Welsh youth system, he's always been an aggressive attack-minded full back ever since becoming converted from a winger. Klopp had nothing to do with it. Let's nor rewrite history. He was given a few opportunities and looked good initially at Liverpool, but then Klopp clearly didn't trust him enough and hooked him off early most of the time on the few occasions he got a league game. He then did very well on loan at Fulham on the whole (covering for Tete who was injured at the time), but let's not forget that he did lose his place to Tete towards the end of the season, again with those defensive frailties the main reason. He hasn't kicked on as much as we hoped. He did well in spells last season and struggled at other times. The main issue in my opinion is that most people thought he was the second coming of Bale after that Belgium performance and got far too excited. I just don't think we need to be overly concerned. I saw no evidence of his attacking instincts being coached out of him against Gibraltar or Latvia. He looked to take on his man more often than not to get balls into the box. I just think some people need to re-evaluate their opinions of him. I don't think he's regressed (stagnated perhaps), he's not going to develop into a world beater to make up for the loss of Bale, but I think he'll contine to be a very decent premier league wingback |
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Post by morg on Oct 15, 2023 17:52:40 GMT
Wasn't expecting that. Brooks starting instead of Dan James essentially.
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Post by conwy10 on Oct 15, 2023 17:55:21 GMT
Wasn't expecting that. Brooks starting instead of Dan James essentially. Why play Moore without James? Pretty sure he's assisted 50% of his goals. James has looked quality lately. |
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Post by emlyn on Oct 15, 2023 17:57:14 GMT
Seems odd to play Moore up front and leave Dan James on the bench
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 15, 2023 18:00:09 GMT
Yeah big surprise to see DJ on the bench
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Post by jimexotic on Oct 15, 2023 18:29:29 GMT
On paper that's a dumb move, Kieffer often looks half the player for us when James isn't on the pitch and 9 of his 12 goals have been assisted by James, that's an astonishing figure. Now watch James come on and tear apart tired Croatian legs and Page looking like a genius!
If this backfires it's all on Pages shoulders, James and Kieffer is a no brainer.
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Post by dai on Oct 15, 2023 18:31:21 GMT
My main concern from that lineup is Brooks’ fitness and sharpness.
Maybe the tactic is to keep it tight and hope its even late on and bring on James to run them ragged.
Also, I think Lockyer needs to be starting.
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Post by iantov on Oct 15, 2023 18:46:54 GMT
WHAT a rendition of the Anthem..!
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Post by erasedcitizen on Oct 15, 2023 19:35:51 GMT
Better team here, need to make our attacks count.
Feel we'd benefit from James's pace. They look slow at the back. Surprisingly sloppy too.
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Post by conwy10 on Oct 15, 2023 19:39:35 GMT
We're playing brilliant! Looks like we were starting to get tired towards the end. Hopefully half time came at the right time.
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Post by dai on Oct 15, 2023 19:45:24 GMT
This is the best chance we’ll ever get to beat Croatia.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Oct 15, 2023 19:47:01 GMT
This is the best chance we’ll ever get to beat Croatia. We win and qualification is in our hands. Need to take this opportunity. |
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Post by iantov on Oct 15, 2023 19:49:45 GMT
Nothing silly now lads, concentrate.
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Post by dai on Oct 15, 2023 19:54:05 GMT
Kieffer myn……
James did tremendously well there!
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