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Post by aberbeeg on Nov 18, 2023 15:56:56 GMT
Extremely poor no doubt about that. Made Armenia look like Brazil at times.
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Post by winsumluzsum on Nov 18, 2023 15:57:18 GMT
Unlucky Armenia you thoroughly deserved to win that. Cymru were appalling. The lack of pressing and intensity in and out of possession was a disgrace. Page has to accept the responsibility. Nowhere near good enough.
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Post by underwood on Nov 18, 2023 15:57:54 GMT
Very disappointed to see that when both teams needed to step it up they were so much better than us in every department.
On that basis, plus they took 4 points off us, we don’t deserve to qualify, so I have no argument.
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Post by mrpicton79 on Nov 18, 2023 15:58:31 GMT
Weird performance, thought we'd get stronger as the game went on, but we got worse. Created zip in the second half. Disappointing.
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Post by quetzal on Nov 18, 2023 15:58:32 GMT
JJ & Ethan went missing. God we missed Ramsey
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 18, 2023 16:00:16 GMT
Really disappointed with that. We didn't look like we had any intensity or desire to win the game. Chalk and cheese from Croatia - what changed? Was it that the manager wasn't as fired up as last time with his back against the wall? Out our hands in a winnable game. Very disappointing
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Post by hooky on Nov 18, 2023 16:01:10 GMT
We are not going to Germany
Page go back to your level of third division football. Croatia was obviously in spite of you. You bring us down to Northern Ireland's level
Sorry - its the performances even more than the results. The top 2 coaches are central defenders and our defence look like a bunch of clowns in a circus. He is a passionate guy but he should look for another career as he has not got the brain to be a coach. We look like a bunch of strangers. Really had enough of being outplayers by teams well below us in the rankings who play mostly in their own domestic league. That is playing below your level. Don't even feel angry anymore - its like wasting 2 hours of your life watching another garbage Rob Page performance
By the way can Dasilva replace Roberts? He is an absolute liability now
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Post by playslikeiniesta on Nov 18, 2023 16:02:49 GMT
Absolutely woeful. Tactically inept. You would never have thought this was a must win game for us, dear me :-(
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Post by aberbeeg on Nov 18, 2023 16:03:15 GMT
Wing backs were poor. Lost count of how many balls we pumped aimlessly down the flanks when there wasn’t a player within 10 yards. Thought Jordan James had his worse game for us along with Ampudu and BJ was an embarrassment when he came on. Danny Ward looks like he’s not playing regularly and KM looked knackered after 10 mins.
We had a great chance to qualify from a decent group but unfortunately royally messed it up.
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Post by winsumluzsum on Nov 18, 2023 16:03:26 GMT
JJ had a decent game, Ampadu a stinker.
I'm still seething at how half-arsed that showing was. If any of the players come out and say they gave their all I'll blow my top. Because we strolled around the pitch without a care in the world. Even James and Johnson, fresh off the bench, just stood off Armenia.
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Post by zserty on Nov 18, 2023 16:03:36 GMT
I see, you have no real argument of support for Page. Once again we have been found lacking by a very poor side. If we win this one it'll be through sheer luck as we've not created anything of worth. Keep happy clapping till we are back down there with the likes of Azerbaijan and Estonia. Write me up exactly what we should have done? Who we should have played? Go on you have the benefit of hindsight let’s see how tactically inept you are I dont think we really changed how we were attempting to play since the Croatia game. Two completely different games, where the same progression of the ball was never going to work. The continued long balls forward hoping for a knockdown or control from Moore were clearly not working and yet we persist for 90 minutes playing the same way. With 25 to go the only changes in a must win game were Brooks and Wilson off for Johnson and James. Like for like. No real changes of note untill Roberts came off with less than 10 to go and James half filled in at LWB. Page isn't up to the task and this continued oh get behind the boys and give him time is only dragging us further away from being a devent side. He has to walk before the playoff games surely. |
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Post by hooky on Nov 18, 2023 16:05:29 GMT
Really disappointed with that. We didn't look like we had any intensity or desire to win the game. Chalk and cheese from Croatia - what changed? Was it that the manager wasn't as fired up as last time with his back against the wall? Out our hands in a winnable game. Very disappointing We beat Croatia despite Page Look at our defensive shape again - inability to get in position or anticipate. These players aren't as bad for their clubs When we can beaten in the knock outs Page simply has to go. Its not only poor but its boring watching Wales nowadays. Brennan looks like a non league player playing for us somehow! We have little shape / strategy in attack or midfield Poland vs Wales playoff. I wonder who wins that? |
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Post by quetzal on Nov 18, 2023 16:05:53 GMT
We are not going to Germany Page go back to your level of third division football. Croatia was obviously in spite of you. You bring us down to Northern Ireland's level Sorry - its the performances even more than the results. The top 2 coaches are central defenders and our defence look like a bunch of clowns in a circus. He is a passionate guy but he should look for another career as he has not got the brain to be a coach. We look like a bunch of strangers. Really had enough of being outplayers by teams well below us in the rankings who play mostly in their own domestic league. That is playing below your level. Don't even feel angry anymore - its like wasting 2 hours of your life watching another garbage Rob Page performance By the way can Dasilva replace Roberts? He is an absolute liability now Depends on the draw. We have first game home. And if the 2nd one is home we might do it. Two pen shoot out wins or something |
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Post by surge on Nov 18, 2023 16:06:35 GMT
We needed a big second half and didn't get it.
There are mitigating factors, notably the pitch looked awful, but Armenia did create more chances than us.
Some basic communication would have improved our chances with Moore and Brooks guilty of trying to play as individuals but as Moore faded so did our best attacks. E.g. Moore trying to outsprint the Armenia player when either Dan James or Broadhead were seconds away from making it a 2-on-1...
Midfield, we probably lost the battle but JJ and Ampadu both did well in moments. Needed to freshen up here about 75 mins and couldn't.
We're still in it for now but hopes are slim.
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Post by zakbaby on Nov 18, 2023 16:06:57 GMT
Very poor performance from most of the players out there. Dosnt matter what tactics you use,if you can't control,pass or hold onto a ball then your in trouble.
Armenia embarrassed us. Wilson the main man? No chance,just reverted back to type tonight. Connor Roberts terrible again. Just no sense of urgency out there. Where was the urge for revenge? Moore was made to look a donkey by their cb who handled him easily. Johnson looked like he couldn't be arsed when he came on,no hussling,maybe to big for little old Wales now eh lad?
Croatia won't slip up against Latvia. Wholesale changes for Turkey. Show some balls Page.
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Post by melynwy on Nov 18, 2023 16:07:25 GMT
Typical dick head comment Hi Rob. Great insight from you as always. Teactically inept and once again being shown up by a European minnow. To be fair to njdragon, that approach is a bit stupid and lacking. As I've said before, I have next to no faith in Page as a tactical/footballing mind, but I don't mind that if emotion can lead us forward, as it did under Coleman and the last game v Croatia. In Page's defense, I don't particularly think he was to blame today. I had no real issue with the team selection. We suffered today because of poor individual performances - specifically very poor passing. There can be any number of reasons for that - could well be a poor pitch. And the goal we conceded was a great finish - it is what it is; 8/10 it doesn't go in. Any online discussion during the game is going to be full of ill-thought through knee-jerk reactions, but this isn't Twitter. If we can't be objective and reasonable, and contribute something worthwhile in relation to discussing the match being played, why bother contributing? To directly address your quote - in the last game we were not inept, and beat an european footballing giant. That's football. You can't choose to ignore one situation in order to magnify the other. |
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Post by aberbeeg on Nov 18, 2023 16:07:42 GMT
We can forget the play offs unless we ditch Page
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Post by surge on Nov 18, 2023 16:09:44 GMT
AHH, I see the hyperbole has started.
Basic truth is that much of this team is either going to pull something amazing off against Turkey (a 3-0 win sends us through?) or be the side we're cheering on in the play-offs having aged that much more.
We're definitely outsiders now but let's not trash our own players.
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Post by quetzal on Nov 18, 2023 16:11:17 GMT
Very poor performance from most of the players out there. Dosnt matter what tactics you use,if you can't control,pass or hold onto a ball then your in trouble. Armenia embarrassed us. Wilson the main man? No chance,just reverted back to type tonight. Connor Roberts terrible again. Just no sense of urgency out there. Where was the urge for revenge? Moore was made to look a donkey by their cb who handled him easily. Johnson looked like he couldn't be arsed when he came on,no hussling,maybe to big for little old Wales now eh lad? Croatia won't slip up against Latvia. Wholesale changes for Turkey. Show some balls Page. Moore is way off being fit. Wouldn’t look too much into it. Broadhead should have been on for Moore really early. Moore played the 90 in the end. Just daft! |
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Post by hooky on Nov 18, 2023 16:11:22 GMT
We can forget the play offs unless we ditch Page He'll stay for the first play off game, but when we lose that then we should be put out of our misery. Had enough - its like watching a non-league team at times and our players are not non-league players - go figure FAW. |
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Post by yanto on Nov 18, 2023 16:11:53 GMT
Poor performance but to blame Page for our players lack of basic technique is not on. So many times we lost possession failed to complete passes is not his fault.
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Post by robin1864 on Nov 18, 2023 16:12:56 GMT
Really disappointed with that. We didn't look like we had any intensity or desire to win the game. Chalk and cheese from Croatia - what changed? Was it that the manager wasn't as fired up as last time with his back against the wall? Out our hands in a winnable game. Very disappointing The lads must have thought it'd be a walkover compared to Croatia where they'd need to be fired up for it. This afternoon wasn't a classic, we really should be putting teams like Armenia to bed if we want anything memorable from the Euros. |
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Post by quetzal on Nov 18, 2023 16:14:35 GMT
AHH, I see the hyperbole has started. Basic truth is that much of this team is either going to pull something amazing off against Turkey (a 3-0 win sends us through?) or be the side we're cheering on in the play-offs having aged that much more. We're definitely outsiders now but let's not trash our own players. 10 nil win against Turkey doesn’t see us through unless Croatia drop points |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Nov 18, 2023 16:16:24 GMT
Hi Rob. Great insight from you as always. Teactically inept and once again being shown up by a European minnow. To be fair to njdragon, that approach is a bit stupid and lacking. As I've said before, I have next to no faith in Page as a tactical/footballing mind, but I don't mind that if emotion can lead us forward, as it did under Coleman and the last game v Croatia. In Page's defense, I don't particularly think he was to blame today. I had no real issue with the team selection. We suffered today because of poor individual performances - specifically very poor passing. There can be any number of reasons for that - could well be a poor pitch. And the goal we conceded was a great finish - it is what it is; 8/10 it doesn't go in. Any online discussion during the game is going to be full of ill-thought through knee-jerk reactions, but this isn't Twitter. If we can't be objective and reasonable, and contribute something worthwhile in relation to discussing the match being played, why bother contributing? To directly address your quote - in the last game we were not inept, and beat an european footballing giant. That's football. You can't choose to ignore one situation in order to magnify the other. You're ignoring the complete absence of pressing from start to finish. How do you excuse that? Especially given that they did it to us. Were you pleased with the effort shown? What made it worse is that it got worse as the game unfolded. You would have thought that we were hanging on for the draw. Only one team wanted to win it, and that was Armenia. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Nov 18, 2023 16:20:14 GMT
Ampadu has just gone and done it "We gave it everything." No you didn't, don't try and gaslight the fans.
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Post by janglingjack on Nov 18, 2023 16:20:41 GMT
thing that struck me was how much more comfortable on the ball and more incisive they were,like in cardiff really,we had five passes and we could not find anyone,they had three and were behind us setting up a shot
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 18, 2023 16:24:12 GMT
The lack of pressing in a must win game disappointed me too. Everytime we did press them they weren't up to much. Far too passive
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Post by melynwy on Nov 18, 2023 16:24:35 GMT
To be fair to njdragon, that approach is a bit stupid and lacking. As I've said before, I have next to no faith in Page as a tactical/footballing mind, but I don't mind that if emotion can lead us forward, as it did under Coleman and the last game v Croatia. In Page's defense, I don't particularly think he was to blame today. I had no real issue with the team selection. We suffered today because of poor individual performances - specifically very poor passing. There can be any number of reasons for that - could well be a poor pitch. And the goal we conceded was a great finish - it is what it is; 8/10 it doesn't go in. Any online discussion during the game is going to be full of ill-thought through knee-jerk reactions, but this isn't Twitter. If we can't be objective and reasonable, and contribute something worthwhile in relation to discussing the match being played, why bother contributing? To directly address your quote - in the last game we were not inept, and beat an european footballing giant. That's football. You can't choose to ignore one situation in order to magnify the other. You're ignoring the complete absence of pressing from start to finish. How do you excuse that? Especially given that they did it to us. Were you pleased with the effort shown? What made it worse is that it got worse as the game unfolded. You would have thought that we were hanging on for the draw. Only one team wanted to win it, and that was Armenia. We started the second half with a much higher press, and arguably we were worse for it. There was a long period from around 60 to 80 minutes where we just seemed to do nothing. Hard pressing also brings about its own compromises, both in terms of creating space for the opposition to exploit and i. tiring out our own players. Had the individuals played well, that game was there for the taking without playing a hard press. I’m far from happy with the performance, but I can’t see how it was particularly Page’s fault. The game was full of individual errors and poor decisions that are not evident in every game we play. The wayward passing in particular, though to me that suggests a poor pitch as I said. |
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Post by njdragon on Nov 18, 2023 16:26:11 GMT
Write me up exactly what we should have done? Who we should have played? Go on you have the benefit of hindsight let’s see how tactically inept you are I dont think we really changed how we were attempting to play since the Croatia game. Two completely different games, where the same progression of the ball was never going to work. The continued long balls forward hoping for a knockdown or control from Moore were clearly not working and yet we persist for 90 minutes playing the same way. With 25 to go the only changes in a must win game were Brooks and Wilson off for Johnson and James. Like for like. No real changes of note untill Roberts came off with less than 10 to go and James half filled in at LWB. Page isn't up to the task and this continued oh get behind the boys and give him time is only dragging us further away from being a devent side. He has to walk before the playoff games surely. m This is the same team everyone called for and the same subs everyone also called for. Johnson came in at half time, we needed a goal so keeping kieffer up to was crucial he’s our best chance at a goal. But tactically what would you have changed? Who came in and did a Better job than those players that started. We looked worse after the subs if anything. Perhaps you can suggest a new better formation? |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Nov 18, 2023 16:30:26 GMT
You're ignoring the complete absence of pressing from start to finish. How do you excuse that? Especially given that they did it to us. Were you pleased with the effort shown? What made it worse is that it got worse as the game unfolded. You would have thought that we were hanging on for the draw. Only one team wanted to win it, and that was Armenia. We started the second half with a much higher press, and arguably we were worse for it. There was a long period from around 60 to 80 minutes where we just seemed to do nothing. Hard pressing also brings about its own compromises, both in terms of creating space for the opposition to exploit and i. tiring out our own players. Had the individuals played well, that game was there for the taking without playing a hard press. I’m far from happy with the performance, but I can’t see how it was particularly Page’s fault. The game was full of individual errors and poor decisions that are not evident in every game we play. The wayward passing in particular, though to me that suggests a poor pitch as I said. You make some perfectly valid points, and the players were poor in execution for sure. But at no stage was there anything resembling a Plan B. Yes there are risks with a high press, but the absence of a high press clearly wasn't working. There was no sense of urgency or tempo at any stage, and the manager has to take responsibility for that. |
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