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Post by iot on Mar 13, 2024 11:39:39 GMT
Personally, I would have preferred to see Low, Colwill, and Savage stick with the u21s because, again, they're not going to play and the u21 fixture is a big game. Do we know whether they'll move between the two squads like some of them did in one of the last camps?
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Post by dragonsoccer on Mar 13, 2024 11:45:42 GMT
Personally, I would have preferred to see Low, Colwill, and Savage stick with the u21s because, again, they're not going to play and the u21 fixture is a big game. Do we know whether they'll move between the two squads like some of them did in one of the last camps? not too sure at the moment, but somehow doubt it at the moment, but injuries/knocks could come into play u21 squad out this afternoon (none of the above are named on the U21 list though) **my mistake its tomorrow afternoon |
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Post by fiveattheback on Mar 13, 2024 11:48:22 GMT
Personally, I would have preferred to see Low, Colwill, and Savage stick with the u21s because, again, they're not going to play and the u21 fixture is a big game. Do we know whether they'll move between the two squads like some of them did in one of the last camps? I think it's clear Page really rates Colwill and was waiting for a reason to justify his inclusion again I think he brings something a little different to the others as well |
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Post by evans1282 on Mar 13, 2024 11:49:00 GMT
and why on earth Savage? I wonder - unfortunately we know why! FFS - big match then the likes of Lawrence over him any day! Can we have a competent manager in the next few year please? Why compare Lawrence to Savage?Maybe because comparing him to Johnston, Wilson, Brooks and Broadhead would make your argument look as fatuous as it actually is? |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Mar 13, 2024 11:55:06 GMT
The comparison to Savage doesn't make sense. However, it could be argued that Lawrence has a stronger claim than Cullen. It's pretty marginal though, so the question whether Lawrence's face doesn't fit, if that indeed is the case, falls by the wayside.
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Mar 13, 2024 12:04:10 GMT
Lawrence and (maybe) a fit-again Matondo will both stsrt for Rangers against Benfica, 2nd leg, tomorrow night.
What are the chances of Lawrence getting on the scoresheet again?
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Post by marsvolta on Mar 13, 2024 12:50:25 GMT
Pretty decent squad that, especially when it gets trimmed down to 23.
The fact that the only things that most on social media can criticise for is Tom Lawrence missing out and the inclusion of four keepers instead of three speaks volumes.
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Post by talyfan on Mar 13, 2024 12:52:14 GMT
Par for the course that selection. Too small of a player pool to argue tit for tat with regards to inclusions.
Our best XI is pretty settled with bench options all playing at the same level, and until we get players playing regularly that surpass that barometer there isn't much we can argue about.
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Post by jimexotic on Mar 13, 2024 13:11:27 GMT
I'm not big on Dasilva and Levitt's inclusions, I get it but I'd have rather picked Beck. Pleased with Sheehan as I think his inclusion puts him in front of Levitt who I really don't rate at the moment. I'd love nothing more than Levitt to prove me wrong but I think he's ever going to be good enough.
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Post by fireboy0610 on Mar 13, 2024 13:24:13 GMT
No sorba, weird as he's been playing well recently.
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Post by iot on Mar 13, 2024 13:27:16 GMT
I'm not big on Dasilva and Levitt's inclusions, I get it but I'd have rather picked Beck. Pleased with Sheehan as I think his inclusion puts him in front of Levitt who I really don't rate at the moment. I'd love nothing more than Levitt to prove me wrong but I think he's ever going to be good enough. Sheehan was picked ahead of Levitt in the last squad so we can safely assume he's ahead of him in the pecking order. Yeah, I don't particularly see the rationale for including Levitt, particularly with Savage also included so we already have 4 players covering 2 spots. I've backed Levitt before and have always felt he has the talent, but he's not doing enough at club level for me to earn this call up. |
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Post by welshrover on Mar 13, 2024 13:59:47 GMT
No sorba, weird as he's been playing well recently. Good point. |
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Post by welwyn on Mar 13, 2024 14:10:59 GMT
No sorba, weird as he's been playing well recently. He misses out for the same reason as Lawrence surely. Hasn't played WB since Corberan was in charge and even then he really wasn't as he was basically playing RW with the RCB covering RB. |
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Post by fireboy0610 on Mar 13, 2024 14:35:23 GMT
No sorba, weird as he's been playing well recently. He misses out for the same reason as Lawrence surely. Hasn't played WB since Corberan was in charge and even then he really wasn't as he was basically playing RW with the RCB covering RB. Still playing though welwyn and playing well, I'm sure he deserved a place in the squad as an attacking option |
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Post by hooky on Mar 13, 2024 14:42:34 GMT
Sorba 7th highest in Championship in terms of assists with 9, while he also has 4 goals
If we are two goals behind against Finland - he could be an option. Savage should not be anywhere near the squad - he is still not in Reading's starting 11 for goodness sake - that's the third tier. Sure these are different positions but I bench is to give you options and under no circumstance would I want to see Savage anywhere near a playoff game whilst the likes of Sorba (or Lawrence) have the ability to make a difference
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Post by hooky on Mar 13, 2024 14:43:47 GMT
There is only one reason Savage is in the squad and we all know why - this is why Page should not be our manager
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Post by iot on Mar 13, 2024 15:10:02 GMT
Sorba 7th highest in Championship in terms of assists with 9, while he also has 4 goals If we are two goals behind against Finland - he could be an option. Savage should not be anywhere near the squad - he is still not in Reading's starting 11 for goodness sake - that's the third tier. Sure these are different positions but I bench is to give you options and under no circumstance would I want to see Savage anywhere near a playoff game whilst the likes of Sorba (or Lawrence) have the ability to make a difference Burns and Broadhead are also having very good seasons. Of the 6 wide forwards, only 2 will start in all likelihood, so Sorba would need to come on ahead of the other 4. So the 'If we are two goals behind against Finland - he could be an option' is a mute point, because other options would be ahead of him. The comparison with Savage is ridiculous, you may as well compare him with the fourth choice keeper. Savage is there competing with Ampadu, James, Sheehan and Levitt, but probably with an eye on the future. 'We all know why he's there...' What rubbish, if you think Page is choosing players on the basis of being mates with their parents when he's been under such pressure, you're just being ridiculously conspiratorial |
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Post by CrackityJones on Mar 13, 2024 15:22:03 GMT
There is only one reason Savage is in the squad and we all know why - this is why Page should not be our manager No we don't actually, care to share or are you just shit stirring over nothing |
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Post by hooky on Mar 13, 2024 15:39:03 GMT
There is only one reason Savage is in the squad and we all know why - this is why Page should not be our manager No we don't actually, care to share or are you just shit stirring over nothing He is a player that cannot get into a team that is in 18th spot in league one and is inexperienced. Why on earth is he there? Just because he plays in a central midfield position does not mean he should be in the squad. There should be a minimum quality. I have seen him play for our U21s and in each game you would hardly be aware he is playing. Just being honest about my opinion. It does not mean I am correct but when we stretch down the division there should be a compelling point of difference. Sorba is an assist merchant from the wings. James and Brennan may be first choice in those roles but maybe we need them to be more central at some point in the game or one of them gets injured. He is then the best to whip balls into the box for the likes of Moore. His stats speak for themselves. Also if we are desperate then bringing him on as a full back that we need to push forward is not such a terrible option. I'd prefer him over Burns (what are Burns statistics?) to do that. Broadhead is a poacher right - so we'd be wanting him to get on the end of things or creating havoc in the box on the end of something from a player like Sorba |
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Post by CrackityJones on Mar 13, 2024 15:48:17 GMT
What's the reason Savage is in the squad then? The one we all know according to you
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Post by hooky on Mar 13, 2024 16:07:24 GMT
What's the reason Savage is in the squad then? The one we all know according to you I think people seemed to get what I was saying? I do think it does come down to relationships and him being connected to Robbie. Others have made the point - he is highly unlikely to be in the final squad so why does it matter? I do think it matters however as it sets the tone. I criticised the preparation for the WC and the seeming lack of intensity of training and signalling from management ahead of the WC and look what happened. If I am Sorba (or Lawrence) then I will see some of those players and what they have done this season and feel aggrieved. I'd rather have someone like Sorba around my training camp making things hard for others and trying to prove a point / showing why he should be part of things. That is how you get an edge in your preparation rather than having a load of great banter. Again - this is elite sport. Everything should be based on merit. A player who has done nothing all season and that can't get into a side struggling in League two should not be in a squad - I'd rather have one spot less in my squad and focus on quality. I just don't see it as conducive to a winning culture. Just my opinion! |
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Post by marsvolta on Mar 13, 2024 16:24:09 GMT
What's the reason Savage is in the squad then? The one we all know according to you I think people seemed to get what I was saying? I do think it does come down to relationships and him being connected to Robbie. Others have made the point - he is highly unlikely to be in the final squad so why does it matter? I do think it matters however as it sets the tone. I criticised the preparation for the WC and the seeming lack of intensity of training and signalling from management ahead of the WC and look what happened. If I am Sorba (or Lawrence) then I will see some of those players and what they have done this season and feel aggrieved. I'd rather have someone like Sorba around my training camp making things hard for others and trying to prove a point / showing why he should be part of things. That is how you get an edge in your preparation rather than having a load of great banter. Again - this is elite sport. Everything should be based on merit. A player who has done nothing all season and that can't get into a side struggling in League two should not be in a squad - I'd rather have one spot less in my squad and focus on quality. I just don't see it as conducive to a winning culture. Just my opinion! Yeah, I agree, Savage is only in the squad because of his dad. I think that’s also the reason that Koumas is in the squad ………….oh! |
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Post by hooky on Mar 13, 2024 16:30:59 GMT
I think Koumas at just 18 has more game breaking potential, has a much higher ceiling and has got close to Liverpool's first team squad in a team which are joint top of the league (albeit it seems a long shot for him to break through given the standard required) and so I understand him being in an extended squad but not sure he should be in this one. I just don't think Savage's form or what he has achieved merits his inclusion at all
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Post by marsvolta on Mar 13, 2024 16:36:24 GMT
I think Koumas at just 18 has more game breaking potential, has a much higher ceiling and has got close to Liverpool's first team squad in a team which are joint top of the league (albeit it seems a long shot for him to break through given the standard required) and so I understand him being in an extended squad but not sure he should be in this one. I just don't think Savage's form or what he has achieved merits his inclusion at all I’m not sure that Savage should be selected either, but I don’t think it’s anything to do with his Dad having played for Wales, that would be a ludicrous selection policy and, if true, Koumas would be selected too. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Mar 13, 2024 16:37:21 GMT
Don't be silly Savage is in because of his bucket hat wearing legend of a Nain not his old man. We all know that.
Page out.
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Post by vvm on Mar 13, 2024 16:45:42 GMT
Only area of the pitch that worries me is goalkeeper. Pinched this tweet from TheWelshDragon on twitter...
"Days since their last senior competitive game for their clubs.
King - 379
Ward - 368
Hennessey = 290
Davies - 196
It's rare that any of them even make the bench."
Over 6 months since any of them played a competitive club match. Fair enough Hennessey is winding down and done it all so can probably give him a pass and thank him just for showing up but serious questions need asking of the others.
I feel like at least 2 of Ward, Davies and King need dropping in the future. We need to send the message that if you're not interested in playing club football then you won't be considered for international duty. It's time somebody else was given a chance.
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Post by winsumluzsum on Mar 13, 2024 16:49:48 GMT
I understand the sentiment, but what are the alternatives realistically? The other Connor Roberts, who plays for TNS? And I'm not being facetious, because the options after the 4 selected are very weak.
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Post by vvm on Mar 13, 2024 16:58:08 GMT
Well part of me wants to see a younger player given a chance but then I guess they'll only be sitting on the bench. Is it worth taking them away from their club just for that? Maybe not. I'd just like to see something done to give Ward a kick up the arse to find a club who will play him.
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Post by winsumluzsum on Mar 13, 2024 17:01:45 GMT
But what are the options? The fact that King is on the squad shows we are already scraping the bottom of the barrel. Cornell is the only option that springs readily to mind, and I'd play Ward ahead of him any day. Unfortunately beggars can't be choosers, and when it comes to goalies we are certainly beggars.
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Post by iot on Mar 13, 2024 18:06:45 GMT
What's the reason Savage is in the squad then? The one we all know according to you I think people seemed to get what I was saying? I do think it does come down to relationships and him being connected to Robbie. Others have made the point - he is highly unlikely to be in the final squad so why does it matter? I do think it matters however as it sets the tone. I criticised the preparation for the WC and the seeming lack of intensity of training and signalling from management ahead of the WC and look what happened. If I am Sorba (or Lawrence) then I will see some of those players and what they have done this season and feel aggrieved. I'd rather have someone like Sorba around my training camp making things hard for others and trying to prove a point / showing why he should be part of things. That is how you get an edge in your preparation rather than having a load of great banter. Again - this is elite sport. Everything should be based on merit. A player who has done nothing all season and that can't get into a side struggling in League two should not be in a squad - I'd rather have one spot less in my squad and focus on quality. I just don't see it as conducive to a winning culture. Just my opinion! 'I criticised the preparation for the WC and the seeming lack of intensity of training' What are you talking about? What insights do you have into the training? They were only together for a week prep before the WC, do you really think 'a lack of intensity of training' was the issue? Sorba and Lawrence have a decent case to be included, but we have 7 players in their positions in our squad - 4 of them (James, Wilson, Brooks, Johnson) 99.9% would agree deserve to be ahead of them, and another 2 (the Ipswich boys) I'm sure 90% would agree with. So it's a nonsense argument, you don't have a leg to stand on. As for the rest of your comment about signalling and having an elite sports mentality (gosh you really sound like an expert on this), you can make all the spurious points you like about those factors and how they link with our WC performances, but you ignore the key lessons from the Coleman reign i.e. that having a happy camp, a tight squad with good characters is conducive to on-field performances. Believe it or not, but these things matter - players tend to perform better when they're happy and want to turn up (which has, historically, not always been the case with Wales). Phil Parkinson famously has a non-dickhead policy when it comes to his recruitment, recognising the importance of the type of characters brought in alongside their footballing ability. So that's not to say that we bring people in because of their banter, but their character and what they add off the pitch will be and should a factor in squad selection / recruitment decisions in any environment. |
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