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Post by fireboy0610 on Mar 19, 2024 21:54:23 GMT
I don't think we need to look at the 4 keepers or Joe Allen situation to see that page is totally out of his depth, every wales fan I know personally want him out, there are two reasons that he is still in a job, a 4 year contract 🤯 and the players he has at his disposal. Any half decent manager would have got us to euros automatically with the squad we havw, its lucky that the vast % of Wales fans are totally loyal and just want us to do well and we will all be there on Thursday and hopefully next Tuesday shouting the boys on, I just hope that page manages the squad and gets us the result 🙏🏴 deluded. The fact that Turkey topped the group ahead of Croatia shows how decent they are. And I'm assuming you're not going to suggest that we have a better set of players than Croatia. So to suggest that 'any half decent manager would have got us to euros automatically with the squad' is a ridiculous statement, and the type of ignorance / exceptionalism I would expect from those lot across the border. It was always going to be a three-way tussle, with us and Turkey something akin to top Championship / bottom Prem standard, and Croatia mid-Prem standard. It was obvious that we along with Turkey and Croatia were going for the 2 automatic spots, a decent manager we would have got at least 4 possibly 6 against Armenia, that would have got us through automatically, page has little tactical nous and is found wanting in tough situations, as I have said before he is lucky that he has a great squad of players, It would be interesting to see how he would do with a lesser talented squad, see port Vale and it is also lucky that the faw gave him a 4 year contract. I, like you and every passionate wales fan want the best for our country but when i see that the squad is underachieving because of a poor manager I can't sit by and say nothing. |
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Post by surge on Mar 19, 2024 22:07:38 GMT
I don't fancy looking back to what was largely (Croatia games aside) a disappointing campaign right now (especially to try and draw conclusions) when the campaign is technically still alive and kicking.
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Post by winsumluzsum on Mar 19, 2024 22:08:10 GMT
deluded. The fact that Turkey topped the group ahead of Croatia shows how decent they are. And I'm assuming you're not going to suggest that we have a better set of players than Croatia. So to suggest that 'any half decent manager would have got us to euros automatically with the squad' is a ridiculous statement, and the type of ignorance / exceptionalism I would expect from those lot across the border. It was always going to be a three-way tussle, with us and Turkey something akin to top Championship / bottom Prem standard, and Croatia mid-Prem standard. It was obvious that we along with Turkey and Croatia were going for the 2 automatic spots, a decent manager we would have got at least 4 possibly 6 against Armenia, that would have got us through automatically, page has little tactical nous and is found wanting in tough situations, as I have said before he is lucky that he has a great squad of players, It would be interesting to see how he would do with a lesser talented squad, see port Vale and it is also lucky that the faw gave him a 4 year contract. I, like you and every passionate wales fan want the best for our country but when i see that the squad is underachieving because of a poor manager I can't sit by and say nothing. I'm not Page's biggest fan, but that's mainly because of his personality rather than his achievements or otherwise as a manager. It's too easy to focus on the bad performances such as both games against Armenia, and give no credit for the excellent ones (Croatia and Turkey at home). A good manager would perhaps do marginally better than Page, and not make some of the strange decisions he makes from time to time, but overall Page has done OK, better than I expected. It's a shame that in some respects his outlook seems quite old school - the comparison to Toshack perhaps isn't that far off the mark. |
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Post by iot on Mar 19, 2024 22:13:49 GMT
deluded. The fact that Turkey topped the group ahead of Croatia shows how decent they are. And I'm assuming you're not going to suggest that we have a better set of players than Croatia. So to suggest that 'any half decent manager would have got us to euros automatically with the squad' is a ridiculous statement, and the type of ignorance / exceptionalism I would expect from those lot across the border. It was always going to be a three-way tussle, with us and Turkey something akin to top Championship / bottom Prem standard, and Croatia mid-Prem standard. It was obvious that we along with Turkey and Croatia were going for the 2 automatic spots, a decent manager we would have got at least 4 possibly 6 against Armenia, that would have got us through automatically, page has little tactical nous and is found wanting in tough situations, as I have said before he is lucky that he has a great squad of players, It would be interesting to see how he would do with a lesser talented squad, see port Vale and it is also lucky that the faw gave him a 4 year contract. I, like you and every passionate wales fan want the best for our country but when i see that the squad is underachieving because of a poor manager I can't sit by and say nothing. There's so many holes in those few sentences. 'a decent manager we would have got at least 4 possibly 6 against Armenia, that would have got us through automatically' Well yeah, we had poor results against Armenia, but you can't then ignore that we over-exceeded expectations massively against Croatia. You're trying to have your cake and eat it. 'page has little tactical nous and is found wanting in tough situations' Demonstrably untrue. He's won or achieved good results in several crunch matches - Ukraine, Austria, Croatia, Belgium, Turkey, Czech to name a few. Several of those were excellent performances and, believe it or not, where we were tactically brilliant. When people were lambasting him for being too negative in the game out in Prague a couple of seasons ago (me included), he proved us wrong with a top performance and a game we absolutely dominated. We were tactically brilliant in that game against Turkey, with Moore instructed to drop deep, Ramsey to make runs behind, and Bale to ping the balls over the top - that tactic produced three one on ones which won us the game. Then the Croatia game where he surprised people with the box midfield, backing James alongside Ampadu and having Brooks and Wilson play much narrower than usual, thereby allowing us to negate their expected midfield dominance. That Croatian manager has been around for years and done an outstanding job, but Page schooled him. At the same time, there have been several games where we've not been tactically good enough - your Denmark, World Cup performances and Armenia home in particular. But I would say there's probably been more good than bad, and he's not been tactically worse than his predecessors. These tropes about him being a PE teacher who has no tactical acumen are just not well-founded. 'when i see that the squad is underachieving because of a poor manager I can't sit by and say nothing.' I'm excited about our squad and the form of several of our players currently, but we need to be realistic and I don't think you are. Most of our top players really struggled in the Prem when given the opportunity but are now doing well in the Championship. Poland have a better set of players than us. Croatia have a better set of players than us and arguably Turkey too. We haven't been underachieving. We've had a couple of terrible results / performances that happens to everyone but a large chunk of fans just can't get over, and are determined to ignore the excellent results and performances. |
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Post by iot on Mar 19, 2024 22:16:36 GMT
It was obvious that we along with Turkey and Croatia were going for the 2 automatic spots, a decent manager we would have got at least 4 possibly 6 against Armenia, that would have got us through automatically, page has little tactical nous and is found wanting in tough situations, as I have said before he is lucky that he has a great squad of players, It would be interesting to see how he would do with a lesser talented squad, see port Vale and it is also lucky that the faw gave him a 4 year contract. I, like you and every passionate wales fan want the best for our country but when i see that the squad is underachieving because of a poor manager I can't sit by and say nothing. I'm not Page's biggest fan, but that's mainly because of his personality rather than his achievements or otherwise as a manager. It's too easy to focus on the bad performances such as both games against Armenia, and give no credit for the excellent ones (Croatia and Turkey at home). A good manager would perhaps do marginally better than Page, and not make some of the strange decisions he makes from time to time, but overall Page has done OK, better than I expected. It's a shame that in some respects his outlook seems quite old school - the comparison to Toshack perhaps isn't that far off the mark. This is a well-balanced post. I'm not Page's biggest fan, I'm really not. But 90% of what I see on social media, on here, and amongst mates is so negative and so far detached from how we've actually done under his tenure. People have just fallen into this ridiculous group think. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Mar 19, 2024 22:39:09 GMT
I think his game plans have more often than not been decent through to excellent. But this is offset by perhaps his biggest weakness - his struggles with making adjustments mid-game. The Armenia game away (and home for that matter) springs to mind, where he had no answer to Armenia's high press on our wingbacks. It was begging for a reciprocal response, but it never came.
This weakness suggests a bit of a blinkered approach - as if the opposition manager has no say in proceedings. You would have thought a lot more thought would be given to what if scenarios, and possible counters to the opposition counters pre planned.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 19, 2024 22:42:22 GMT
If I was picking the team;
Ward
Neco-Mepham-Rodon-Davies
Ampadu-JJ
Brennan-Wilson-DJ
Moore
What I think Page will do;
Ward
Mepham-Rodon-Davies
Roberts-Ampadu-JJ-Neco
Wilson-Brooks
Brennan
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 19, 2024 22:55:47 GMT
Just a point on our system, I know we've had our recent successes playing a back 5, and for the record I think we should just stick with it for continuity
However, I wanted to point out what our players are used to at club level, so here's a list of our possible starters and what their respective clubs play;
Mepham (4-2-3-1)
Rodon, Ampadu, DJ, Roberts (4-2-3-1)
Davies & Brennan (4-3-3 / 4-2-3-1)
Neco (4-2-3-1)
JJ (4-3-3 / 4-2-3-1)
Wilson (4-2-3-1)
Brooks (4-3-3)
Moore, Broadhead, Burns (4-2-3-1)
Now I'm aware that 2+2 doesn't always equal 4 in football, for instance we have a goalkeeping weakness we need to protect, and we have different relationships on the pitch. However, I do think the idea that we can't play a back 4 is a little silly given that all of our starters play in that system at club level week in week out. Round pegs in round holes would actually mean utilising these players as they are used at their clubs, and a back 4 suits the entire squad really
For these next few I do understand the need for a back 5, however for this group to peak I think we do need to find a way of utilising a 4-2-3-1, especially when we have so many forwards in such good form, it feels like a missed opportunity to leave someone out
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Post by winsumluzsum on Mar 19, 2024 23:18:54 GMT
Just a point on our system, I know we've had our recent successes playing a back 5, and for the record I think we should just stick with it for continuity However, I wanted to point out what our players are used to at club level, so here's a list of our possible starters and what their respective clubs play; Mepham (4-2-3-1) Rodon, Ampadu, DJ, Roberts (4-2-3-1) Davies & Brennan (4-3-3 / 4-2-3-1) Neco (4-2-3-1) JJ (4-3-3 / 4-2-3-1) Wilson (4-2-3-1) Brooks (4-3-3) Moore, Broadhead, Burns (4-2-3-1) Now I'm aware that 2+2 doesn't always equal 4 in football, for instance we have a goalkeeping weakness we need to protect, and we have different relationships on the pitch. However, I do think the idea that we can't play a back 4 is a little silly given that all of our starters play in that system at club level week in week out. Round pegs in round holes would actually mean utilising these players as they are used at their clubs, and a back 4 suits the entire squad really For these next few I do understand the need for a back 5, however for this group to peak I think we do need to find a way of utilising a 4-2-3-1, especially when we have so many forwards in such good form, it feels like a missed opportunity to leave someone out You make some very good points. However, Ben Davies at left back is half the player he is at LCB. Other than that a 4-2-3-1 has a lot to commend it, especially as James and Johnson perform best out wide. |
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Post by fireboy0610 on Mar 19, 2024 23:19:06 GMT
It was obvious that we along with Turkey and Croatia were going for the 2 automatic spots, a decent manager we would have got at least 4 possibly 6 against Armenia, that would have got us through automatically, page has little tactical nous and is found wanting in tough situations, as I have said before he is lucky that he has a great squad of players, It would be interesting to see how he would do with a lesser talented squad, see port Vale and it is also lucky that the faw gave him a 4 year contract. I, like you and every passionate wales fan want the best for our country but when i see that the squad is underachieving because of a poor manager I can't sit by and say nothing. There's so many holes in those few sentences. 'a decent manager we would have got at least 4 possibly 6 against Armenia, that would have got us through automatically' Well yeah, we had poor results against Armenia, but you can't then ignore that we over-exceeded expectations massively against Croatia. You're trying to have your cake and eat it. 'page has little tactical nous and is found wanting in tough situations' Demonstrably untrue. He's won or achieved good results in several crunch matches - Ukraine, Austria, Croatia, Belgium, Turkey, Czech to name a few. Several of those were excellent performances and, believe it or not, where we were tactically brilliant. When people were lambasting him for being too negative in the game out in Prague a couple of seasons ago (me included), he proved us wrong with a top performance and a game we absolutely dominated. We were tactically brilliant in that game against Turkey, with Moore instructed to drop deep, Ramsey to make runs behind, and Bale to ping the balls over the top - that tactic produced three one on ones which won us the game. Then the Croatia game where he surprised people with the box midfield, backing James alongside Ampadu and having Brooks and Wilson play much narrower than usual, thereby allowing us to negate their expected midfield dominance. That Croatian manager has been around for years and done an outstanding job, but Page schooled him. At the same time, there have been several games where we've not been tactically good enough - your Denmark, World Cup performances and Armenia home in particular. But I would say there's probably been more good than bad, and he's not been tactically worse than his predecessors. These tropes about him being a PE teacher who has no tactical acumen are just not well-founded. 'when i see that the squad is underachieving because of a poor manager I can't sit by and say nothing.' I'm excited about our squad and the form of several of our players currently, but we need to be realistic and I don't think you are. Most of our top players really struggled in the Prem when given the opportunity but are now doing well in the Championship. Poland have a better set of players than us. Croatia have a better set of players than us and arguably Turkey too. We haven't been underachieving. We've had a couple of terrible results / performances that happens to everyone but a large chunk of fans just can't get over, and are determined to ignore the excellent results and performances. Wow you have plenty of time on your hands mate. So many holes eh? Austria, Ukraine and the other games earlier in his tenure we had bale and a fit ramsey to pull him out of the shit. Croatia away was a lucky draw, nothing to do with pages tactics all to do with effort and the never give up attitude, the home game i will give you but Croatia were on a downward spiral culminating in theory first home defeat for years against turkey, we were a distant second best against turkey away, I think we would have struggled with any manager, it's the games against Armenia and the home game against Latvia where he showed his lack of nous, we went all hung ho at home v Armenia after going ahead, the Latvia home game where we were tiring and no subs made until late and the Armenia away when we let them play, it's these important games where he got found out, i too am excited about this squad and i hope he doesn't shit his pants on Thursday and we get through as I truly believe no matter the tactics against probably Poland we will turn up ala Ukraine. |
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Post by iot on Mar 19, 2024 23:19:47 GMT
Just a point on our system, I know we've had our recent successes playing a back 5, and for the record I think we should just stick with it for continuity However, I wanted to point out what our players are used to at club level, so here's a list of our possible starters and what their respective clubs play; Mepham (4-2-3-1) Rodon, Ampadu, DJ, Roberts (4-2-3-1) Davies & Brennan (4-3-3 / 4-2-3-1) Neco (4-2-3-1) JJ (4-3-3 / 4-2-3-1) Wilson (4-2-3-1) Brooks (4-3-3) Moore, Broadhead, Burns (4-2-3-1) Now I'm aware that 2+2 doesn't always equal 4 in football, for instance we have a goalkeeping weakness we need to protect, and we have different relationships on the pitch. However, I do think the idea that we can't play a back 4 is a little silly given that all of our starters play in that system at club level week in week out. Round pegs in round holes would actually mean utilising these players as they are used at their clubs, and a back 4 suits the entire squad really For these next few I do understand the need for a back 5, however for this group to peak I think we do need to find a way of utilising a 4-2-3-1, especially when we have so many forwards in such good form, it feels like a missed opportunity to leave someone out I don't think anyone's saying we can't play a back 4, it's just that we've just undergone a campaign where we played the first half with a back 4 and it was pretty disastrous, and then played the second half with wing backs and we were much better. Playing a back 5 also suits some of our key players, predominantly Ben and Neco, and we've just looked a lot more balanced. It would be an incredibly brave call for Page to spring that surprise and go with a back 4, and if it were to go wrong he would take a massive amount of flak. Obviously the massive benefit of having a back 4 is that we can fit in another attack-minded player, but it's not worked well when we've tried it in the past so it would take a brave man to do it at this point. |
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Post by bobbyghoul on Mar 20, 2024 0:18:39 GMT
I'm saying we can't play a back 4. It never works for us. Coleman tried it. Giggs tried it. Page tried it. All failed.
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Post by pclaude on Mar 20, 2024 7:57:45 GMT
It was obvious that we along with Turkey and Croatia were going for the 2 automatic spots, a decent manager we would have got at least 4 possibly 6 against Armenia, that would have got us through automatically, page has little tactical nous and is found wanting in tough situations, as I have said before he is lucky that he has a great squad of players, It would be interesting to see how he would do with a lesser talented squad, see port Vale and it is also lucky that the faw gave him a 4 year contract. I, like you and every passionate wales fan want the best for our country but when i see that the squad is underachieving because of a poor manager I can't sit by and say nothing. I'm not Page's biggest fan, but that's mainly because of his personality rather than his achievements or otherwise as a manager. It's too easy to focus on the bad performances such as both games against Armenia, and give no credit for the excellent ones (Croatia and Turkey at home). A good manager would perhaps do marginally better than Page, and not make some of the strange decisions he makes from time to time, but overall Page has done OK, better than I expected. It's a shame that in some respects his outlook seems quite old school - the comparison to Toshack perhaps isn't that far off the mark. Away with this well balanced stuff. That said, instructive to remember we are in the play offs due to results mainly achieved under Giggs. |
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Post by melynwy on Mar 20, 2024 9:14:53 GMT
I'm saying we can't play a back 4. It never works for us. Coleman tried it. Giggs tried it. Page tried it. All failed. You’re saying a given system’s success is based on the past history of the nation, not on the players currently available?! |
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Post by manulike on Mar 20, 2024 9:44:13 GMT
Was looking for today's U17 game, but found this gem instead. Just ten months ago...
WALES 3 vs. POLAND 0 ;-)
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 20, 2024 10:53:27 GMT
Just a point on our system, I know we've had our recent successes playing a back 5, and for the record I think we should just stick with it for continuity However, I wanted to point out what our players are used to at club level, so here's a list of our possible starters and what their respective clubs play; Mepham (4-2-3-1) Rodon, Ampadu, DJ, Roberts (4-2-3-1) Davies & Brennan (4-3-3 / 4-2-3-1) Neco (4-2-3-1) JJ (4-3-3 / 4-2-3-1) Wilson (4-2-3-1) Brooks (4-3-3) Moore, Broadhead, Burns (4-2-3-1) Now I'm aware that 2+2 doesn't always equal 4 in football, for instance we have a goalkeeping weakness we need to protect, and we have different relationships on the pitch. However, I do think the idea that we can't play a back 4 is a little silly given that all of our starters play in that system at club level week in week out. Round pegs in round holes would actually mean utilising these players as they are used at their clubs, and a back 4 suits the entire squad really For these next few I do understand the need for a back 5, however for this group to peak I think we do need to find a way of utilising a 4-2-3-1, especially when we have so many forwards in such good form, it feels like a missed opportunity to leave someone out You make some very good points. However, Ben Davies at left back is half the player he is at LCB. Other than that a 4-2-3-1 has a lot to commend it, especially as James and Johnson perform best out wide. I don't think the drop off is that far, he's done very well at LB for Spurs this season, and if you ask him to sit back and let the RB bomb on it works very well |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 20, 2024 10:57:42 GMT
Just a point on our system, I know we've had our recent successes playing a back 5, and for the record I think we should just stick with it for continuity However, I wanted to point out what our players are used to at club level, so here's a list of our possible starters and what their respective clubs play; Mepham (4-2-3-1) Rodon, Ampadu, DJ, Roberts (4-2-3-1) Davies & Brennan (4-3-3 / 4-2-3-1) Neco (4-2-3-1) JJ (4-3-3 / 4-2-3-1) Wilson (4-2-3-1) Brooks (4-3-3) Moore, Broadhead, Burns (4-2-3-1) Now I'm aware that 2+2 doesn't always equal 4 in football, for instance we have a goalkeeping weakness we need to protect, and we have different relationships on the pitch. However, I do think the idea that we can't play a back 4 is a little silly given that all of our starters play in that system at club level week in week out. Round pegs in round holes would actually mean utilising these players as they are used at their clubs, and a back 4 suits the entire squad really For these next few I do understand the need for a back 5, however for this group to peak I think we do need to find a way of utilising a 4-2-3-1, especially when we have so many forwards in such good form, it feels like a missed opportunity to leave someone out I don't think anyone's saying we can't play a back 4, it's just that we've just undergone a campaign where we played the first half with a back 4 and it was pretty disastrous, and then played the second half with wing backs and we were much better. Playing a back 5 also suits some of our key players, predominantly Ben and Neco, and we've just looked a lot more balanced. It would be an incredibly brave call for Page to spring that surprise and go with a back 4, and if it were to go wrong he would take a massive amount of flak. Obviously the massive benefit of having a back 4 is that we can fit in another attack-minded player, but it's not worked well when we've tried it in the past so it would take a brave man to do it at this point. The times it didn't go well for us was when we were playing Ramsey out of position as a CDM, so when we've tried it we weren't playing round pegs in round holes. JJ now means we can do that, and I think it could be a different story for that reason. We also now have a team of playing players which could also help to make it more viable than before, where we had half our starters on the bench for their clubs |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 20, 2024 11:03:15 GMT
I'm saying we can't play a back 4. It never works for us. Coleman tried it. Giggs tried it. Page tried it. All failed. Giggs tried it and qualified us for Euro 2020 using it, how is that failure?? Page also played it at Euro 2020 against Switzerland & Turkey and those results got us through to the knockouts in a tricky group - how is that failure?? If that's failure to you then I hope we "fail" in these last qualifiers and continue to "fail" at the tournament because that would exceed all expectations in reality Even given that you're wrong about how well it's worked before, your argument still makes no sense if you were right. Football isn't played in the past, and there's nothing mystical about our country's connection to certain formations. It's all about what suits the current group of players |
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Post by eppingblue1 on Mar 20, 2024 11:20:32 GMT
We're about to go into 2 games in 5 days that could end up with either or even both going to penalties. Do we have 5 plus penalty takers ?
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Post by winsumluzsum on Mar 20, 2024 11:40:32 GMT
I think Finland may surprise us with the quality of their football. The regularly managed more than 500 passes per game in the qualifiers. So, I would like to see a high press to disrupt their rhythm. Although playing on the counter also has its advantages.
Several of their goals came from clever through balls from the likes of Pukki. Rodon will need to be on his toes.
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Post by iot on Mar 20, 2024 11:43:41 GMT
I don't think anyone's saying we can't play a back 4, it's just that we've just undergone a campaign where we played the first half with a back 4 and it was pretty disastrous, and then played the second half with wing backs and we were much better. Playing a back 5 also suits some of our key players, predominantly Ben and Neco, and we've just looked a lot more balanced. It would be an incredibly brave call for Page to spring that surprise and go with a back 4, and if it were to go wrong he would take a massive amount of flak. Obviously the massive benefit of having a back 4 is that we can fit in another attack-minded player, but it's not worked well when we've tried it in the past so it would take a brave man to do it at this point. The times it didn't go well for us was when we were playing Ramsey out of position as a CDM, so when we've tried it we weren't playing round pegs in round holes. JJ now means we can do that, and I think it could be a different story for that reason. We also now have a team of playing players which could also help to make it more viable than before, where we had half our starters on the bench for their clubs Not necessarily. We used it with Morrell and Ampadu too. In fact, we only used Ramsey as a deep lying midfielder once in the last campaign - in that infamous Armenia game. So the only difference from the beginning of the campaign to now would be to have JJ in instead of Morrell. As well as JJ has done, I don't think that would make a significant difference. |
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Post by marsvolta on Mar 20, 2024 13:07:52 GMT
We're about to go into 2 games in 5 days that could end up with either or even both going to penalties. Do we have 5 plus penalty takers ? Jesus christ man, don’t do this to me. |
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Post by bobbyghoul on Mar 20, 2024 14:17:10 GMT
I'm saying we can't play a back 4. It never works for us. Coleman tried it. Giggs tried it. Page tried it. All failed. Giggs tried it and qualified us for Euro 2020 using it, how is that failure?? Page also played it at Euro 2020 against Switzerland & Turkey and those results got us through to the knockouts in a tricky group - how is that failure?? If that's failure to you then I hope we "fail" in these last qualifiers and continue to "fail" at the tournament because that would exceed all expectations in reality Even given that you're wrong about how well it's worked before, your argument still makes no sense if you were right. Football isn't played in the past, and there's nothing mystical about our country's connection to certain formations. It's all about what suits the current group of players A back 4 doesn't suit our current players. |
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Post by vvm on Mar 20, 2024 14:17:34 GMT
We're about to go into 2 games in 5 days that could end up with either or even both going to penalties. Do we have 5 plus penalty takers ? Only 2 we'd probably all agree on would be Ramsey and Wilson. I would be comfortable with any of the following taking one too... Johnson, Moore, Brooks, Williams, Ampadu, Davies. God knows if any of them have taken a competitive penalty before? |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Mar 20, 2024 14:35:00 GMT
The times it didn't go well for us was when we were playing Ramsey out of position as a CDM, so when we've tried it we weren't playing round pegs in round holes. JJ now means we can do that, and I think it could be a different story for that reason. We also now have a team of playing players which could also help to make it more viable than before, where we had half our starters on the bench for their clubs Not necessarily. We used it with Morrell and Ampadu too. In fact, we only used Ramsey as a deep lying midfielder once in the last campaign - in that infamous Armenia game. So the only difference from the beginning of the campaign to now would be to have JJ in instead of Morrell. As well as JJ has done, I don't think that would make a significant difference. I beg to differ, I think JJ would make a big difference to our defensive solidity. I do agree though that the 3-4-2-1 is tried and tested and so should be the way to start the game. But 4-2-3-1 is a good option to turn to if the need arises. A 4-3-3 is also a possibility late on with Ramsey or Brooks joining JJ and Ampadu in midfield. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Mar 20, 2024 14:40:24 GMT
We're about to go into 2 games in 5 days that could end up with either or even both going to penalties. Do we have 5 plus penalty takers ? Only 2 we'd probably all agree on would be Ramsey and Wilson. I would be comfortable with any of the following taking one too... Johnson, Moore, Brooks, Williams, Ampadu, Davies. God knows if any of them have taken a competitive penalty before? Moore took penalties for Cardiff, pretty sure Johnson took penalties for Forest |
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Post by bolter on Mar 20, 2024 14:45:06 GMT
Only 2 we'd probably all agree on would be Ramsey and Wilson. I would be comfortable with any of the following taking one too... Johnson, Moore, Brooks, Williams, Ampadu, Davies. God knows if any of them have taken a competitive penalty before? Moore took penalties for Cardiff, pretty sure Johnson took penalties for Forest Williams took/scored one for Forest in an FA Cup shootout this year |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 20, 2024 15:01:00 GMT
Giggs tried it and qualified us for Euro 2020 using it, how is that failure?? Page also played it at Euro 2020 against Switzerland & Turkey and those results got us through to the knockouts in a tricky group - how is that failure?? If that's failure to you then I hope we "fail" in these last qualifiers and continue to "fail" at the tournament because that would exceed all expectations in reality Even given that you're wrong about how well it's worked before, your argument still makes no sense if you were right. Football isn't played in the past, and there's nothing mystical about our country's connection to certain formations. It's all about what suits the current group of players A back 4 doesn't suit our current players. These are the formations our players play for their clubs: Mepham (4-2-3-1) Rodon, Ampadu, DJ, Roberts (4-2-3-1) Davies & Brennan (4-3-3 / 4-2-3-1) Neco (4-2-3-1) JJ (4-3-3 / 4-2-3-1) Wilson (4-2-3-1) Brooks (4-3-3) Moore, Broadhead, Burns (4-2-3-1) |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 20, 2024 15:03:50 GMT
We're about to go into 2 games in 5 days that could end up with either or even both going to penalties. Do we have 5 plus penalty takers ? Our best 5 in order imo 1. Ramsey 2. Wilson 3. Brennan 4. Moore 5. DJ Seen all of them take an score pens before. Brooks & Neco are also players I'd trust. Beyond that we haven't got any I'd feel confident in, maybe at a push captain Davies |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Mar 20, 2024 15:07:31 GMT
The Forss isn't with Finland...
Michael Forss, 'Boro's striker that is. Injured. Finland still have a decent attack though. We need to get at their suspect defence.
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