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Post by jbt95 on Mar 20, 2024 15:26:44 GMT
We're about to go into 2 games in 5 days that could end up with either or even both going to penalties. Do we have 5 plus penalty takers ? Only 2 we'd probably all agree on would be Ramsey Did you watch the Europa League final of 2022? |
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Post by bobbyghoul on Mar 20, 2024 15:30:07 GMT
A back 4 doesn't suit our current players. These are the formations our players play for their clubs: Mepham (4-2-3-1) Rodon, Ampadu, DJ, Roberts (4-2-3-1) Davies & Brennan (4-3-3 / 4-2-3-1) Neco (4-2-3-1) JJ (4-3-3 / 4-2-3-1) Wilson (4-2-3-1) Brooks (4-3-3) Moore, Broadhead, Burns (4-2-3-1) A good point if our players played for the same club. We all want to play a back 4 so that we can take advantage of our relative depth in attacking areas. It keeps getting found out. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 20, 2024 15:30:59 GMT
These are the formations our players play for their clubs: Mepham (4-2-3-1) Rodon, Ampadu, DJ, Roberts (4-2-3-1) Davies & Brennan (4-3-3 / 4-2-3-1) Neco (4-2-3-1) JJ (4-3-3 / 4-2-3-1) Wilson (4-2-3-1) Brooks (4-3-3) Moore, Broadhead, Burns (4-2-3-1) A good point if our players played for the same club. We all want to play a back 4 so that we can take advantage of our relative depth in attacking areas. It keeps getting found out. We haven't tested it since we discovered JJ, he makes it very possible that it's the best formation for us |
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Post by iot on Mar 20, 2024 15:45:01 GMT
We're about to go into 2 games in 5 days that could end up with either or even both going to penalties. Do we have 5 plus penalty takers ? Only 2 we'd probably all agree on would be Ramsey and Wilson. I would be comfortable with any of the following taking one too... Johnson, Moore, Brooks, Williams, Ampadu, Davies. God knows if any of them have taken a competitive penalty before? Pretty sure that Wilson has a very bad penalty record - I’ve seen him miss a couple which is surprising given how technically effective he is. Ramsey can be a bit hit or miss too (Europa League final anyone). Johnson’s taken a few and has a decent record I believe, as has Moore. Not sure I’d trust Ampadu - someone who can spray inch-perfect 60m balls but loses all composure in front of goal and usually skies every attempt from in and around the box. I’d have Moore, Johnson, Ramsey, JJ, and Brooks as my top 5, then Wilson, DJ, Neco, Roberts, and Davies in that order. All depends on who’s still on the pitch obviously |
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Post by iot on Mar 20, 2024 15:49:19 GMT
Not necessarily. We used it with Morrell and Ampadu too. In fact, we only used Ramsey as a deep lying midfielder once in the last campaign - in that infamous Armenia game. So the only difference from the beginning of the campaign to now would be to have JJ in instead of Morrell. As well as JJ has done, I don't think that would make a significant difference. I beg to differ, I think JJ would make a big difference to our defensive solidity. I do agree though that the 3-4-2-1 is tried and tested and so should be the way to start the game. But 4-2-3-1 is a good option to turn to if the need arises. A 4-3-3 is also a possibility late on with Ramsey or Brooks joining JJ and Ampadu in midfield. JJ has certainly looked a better all-round player than Morrell, but do we really think he’s that much better defensively that he’d transform some of those early shaky performances (when we played a back 4 with Morrell/Ampadu in front)? I’m skeptical, but would definitely want to see it in the future. Think we agree, it’s definitely not the time to test it out in these games |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Mar 20, 2024 16:01:32 GMT
I beg to differ, I think JJ would make a big difference to our defensive solidity. I do agree though that the 3-4-2-1 is tried and tested and so should be the way to start the game. But 4-2-3-1 is a good option to turn to if the need arises. A 4-3-3 is also a possibility late on with Ramsey or Brooks joining JJ and Ampadu in midfield. JJ has certainly looked a better all-round player than Morrell, but do we really think he’s that much better defensively that he’d transform some of those early shaky performances (when we played a back 4 with Morrell/Ampadu in front)? I’m skeptical, but would definitely want to see it in the future. Think we agree, it’s definitely not the time to test it out in these games I don't differ much from your standpoint. I think 4-2-3-1 should work, given how, as has been pointed out, most of our players are excelling at club level currently in a 4-2-3-1 or similar. But the wingback system also worked very well against Croatia and Turkiye, so if it ain't broke... I also think that it puts round pegs in round holes all round, and more so at left centre back and left wingback than would be the case with a back 4. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 20, 2024 16:48:18 GMT
Page bites back at Bulut - says communication problems were on Cardiff's end & their medical team were well aware Ramsey was getting called up
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Post by winsumluzsum on Mar 20, 2024 17:41:23 GMT
Watching this should remove any complacency about the task tomorrow night: youtu.be/j6V8XARh-Z0?si=fDyWvhpu7lR46vd42, 3 and 4th goals all quality, especially Pukki's contribution to the 3rd and 4th off the bench. |
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Post by manulike on Mar 20, 2024 17:50:29 GMT
Watching this should remove any complacency about the task tomorrow night: youtu.be/j6V8XARh-Z0?si=fDyWvhpu7lR46vd42, 3 and 4th goals all quality, especially Pukki's contribution to the 3rd and 4th off the bench. ... and I thought that all we need to do was turn up tomorrow and then wait at Cardiff airport for the Polaks on Tuesday ;-))) |
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Mar 20, 2024 18:35:19 GMT
OK, here we go... I'm predicting a 2-0 win for Wales tomorrow night, and the same again on Tuesday night (except that the second game will unexpectedly be against Estonia!)
No scientific basis for the above - but what's wrong with wishful thinking once in a while?
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Post by bringbackelmo on Mar 20, 2024 19:18:37 GMT
Watching this should remove any complacency about the task tomorrow night: youtu.be/j6V8XARh-Z0?si=fDyWvhpu7lR46vd42, 3 and 4th goals all quality, especially Pukki's contribution to the 3rd and 4th off the bench. Nicely taken goals but the defending is absolutely chronic, Northern Ireland are a really poor side atm so this doesn't worry me too much, they won't have it *this* easy tomorrow. I do think it'll be a tight, cagey and difficult game though. |
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Post by jono on Mar 20, 2024 19:22:22 GMT
Any sign of Dafydd Iwan tomorrow night? Not seen anything mentioned.
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Post by winsumluzsum on Mar 20, 2024 20:27:30 GMT
Watching this should remove any complacency about the task tomorrow night: youtu.be/j6V8XARh-Z0?si=fDyWvhpu7lR46vd42, 3 and 4th goals all quality, especially Pukki's contribution to the 3rd and 4th off the bench. Nicely taken goals but the defending is absolutely chronic, Northern Ireland are a really poor side atm so this doesn't worry me too much, they won't have it *this* easy tomorrow. I do think it'll be a tight, cagey and difficult game though. Yes NI had lots of players missing, so that explains things to an extent. Even so we would be purring if Wilson or Brooks made the goal contributions of Pukki. Anyone interested in the Finnish fan perspective then this makes interesting reading: futisforum2.org/index.php?topic=270608.525It's a bit bewildering as the technical angle is very dense, not helped by suspect translation. But it seems likely that they will either go 4-1-4-1 or 4-3-3. If they were to go with the former then we might need to resort to more long balls to escape the midfield press. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Mar 20, 2024 20:39:49 GMT
Team tomorrow : back 8 are all certain selections:
Ward
Mepham Rodon Davies
Roberts Ampadu JJ Neco
Wilson DJ
Moore
Wilson is in the form of his life, as is Dan. Also the DJ Moore combo has worked so well for us in the past. Thirdly, Moore gives us the tactical flexibility to go long if Finland try and press our midfield and wingbacks with a 4-1-4-1.
Tough to leave out Brooks and Johnson, but terrific options to have off the bench.
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Post by iot on Mar 20, 2024 21:03:53 GMT
I’m really undecided. I’ve heard that they struggle with balls into the box, so Moore is a must and we may want to start outr out and out wingers in Johnson and James. Equally, I’ve also heard they’re strong in midfield so we may want to negate that with the Croatia box midfield approach, which would probably mean starting Brooks and Wilson
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Post by winsumluzsum on Mar 20, 2024 21:15:24 GMT
I’m really undecided. I’ve heard that they struggle with balls into the box, so Moore is a must and we may want to start outr out and out wingers in Johnson and James. Equally, I’ve also heard they’re strong in midfield so we may want to negate that with the Croatia box midfield approach, which would probably mean starting Brooks and Wilson It's a great dilemma to have! I wouldn't be upset if Brooks started but I think it makes sense to pair Moore and Dan for as long as possible. Also Dan can be effective in the press too. On an upbeat note I think it would be fair to say that all of the following are playing the best football of their careers right now: Neco, Rodon, Ampadu, Dan and Wilson. Arguably JJ and Johnson too. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Mar 20, 2024 21:27:41 GMT
This translation from the Finnish forum brought a smile to my face:
A little OT, in some interview Rive [Finland's manager] mentioned that 2-4 away win from Armenia in Cardiff, maybe they got weapons from there for tomorrow's match...
Did anyone by any chance watch that match and was it full of Welsh rumblings or Armenia's goodness?
I think it's fair to say there were a few Welsh rumblings and plenty of Armenian goodness. I think it's a sure fire thing that Page won't go with a similar team or approach tomorrow night.
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Post by aberbeeg on Mar 21, 2024 5:59:41 GMT
Page bites back at Bulut - says communication problems were on Cardiff's end & their medical team were well aware Ramsey was getting called up Sounds like it could have been handled better tbh. |
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Post by welshlad on Mar 21, 2024 6:49:45 GMT
Game day, wales 2-0 Finland James and Moore. Poland 3-0 estonia.
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Post by marsvolta on Mar 21, 2024 8:18:26 GMT
I’m really undecided. I’ve heard that they struggle with balls into the box, so Moore is a must and we may want to start outr out and out wingers in Johnson and James. Equally, I’ve also heard they’re strong in midfield so we may want to negate that with the Croatia box midfield approach, which would probably mean starting Brooks and Wilson It's a great dilemma to have! I wouldn't be upset if Brooks started but I think it makes sense to pair Moore and Dan for as long as possible. Also Dan can be effective in the press too. On an upbeat note I think it would be fair to say that all of the following are playing the best football of their careers right now: Neco, Rodon, Ampadu, Dan and Wilson. Arguably JJ and Johnson too. What’s all this ‘upbeat’ stuff you speak of, you’ll never fit in here.Ha ha. |
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Post by pclaude on Mar 21, 2024 8:26:25 GMT
Watching this should remove any complacency about the task tomorrow night: youtu.be/j6V8XARh-Z0?si=fDyWvhpu7lR46vd42, 3 and 4th goals all quality, especially Pukki's contribution to the 3rd and 4th off the bench. Some dreadful defending though. Albeit very reminiscent of us against Armenia. |
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Post by jbt95 on Mar 21, 2024 8:33:18 GMT
All I hope for is a good performance.
What’ll be will be, but I will be disappointed if we don’t make it through to the final tonight.
Just hope the referee doesn’t spoil the game, like they did v Poland and v Türkiye.
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Post by smudger1 on Mar 21, 2024 9:03:07 GMT
Confident that the team that beat Croatia will do it again tonight. We are a better team than Finland if we perform and I'm looking forward to again seeing J.James. I'm going for a 2-1 win with goals from Moore and Wilson. Then I'm praying Lewandowski gets injured tonight.
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Post by quetzal on Mar 21, 2024 10:16:51 GMT
Welsh football come a long way. Doesn’t seem to be a buzz about the game.
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Post by iot on Mar 21, 2024 10:40:37 GMT
Colwill, Levitt, and Adam Davies haven’t made the final cut. I think we’ll start with 2 of Wilson, Johnson, Brooks, and James, and those two starters will be replaced by the other 2 at some point. Broadhead would probably be next in line e.g. if Moore is tiring. So I can only see Ramsey making an appearance if we’re chasing a goal and need more creativity from the deeper area, or if we switch to a 433
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Post by manulike on Mar 21, 2024 11:49:23 GMT
Colwill, Levitt, and Adam Davies haven’t made the final cut. I think we’ll start with 2 of Wilson, Johnson, Brooks, and James, and those two starters will be replaced by the other 2 at some point. Broadhead would probably be next in line e.g. if Moore is tiring. So I can only see Ramsey making an appearance if we’re chasing a goal and need more creativity from the deeper area, or if we switch to a 433 Thanks. Can you or dragonsoccer please confirm if Rubin has been called up for the U21? |
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Post by zserty on Mar 21, 2024 12:13:14 GMT
Team tomorrow : back 8 are all certain selections: Ward Mepham Rodon Davies Roberts Ampadu JJ Neco Wilson DJ Moore Wilson is in the form of his life, as is Dan. Also the DJ Moore combo has worked so well for us in the past. Thirdly, Moore gives us the tactical flexibility to go long if Finland try and press our midfield and wingbacks with a 4-1-4-1. Tough to leave out Brooks and Johnson, but terrific options to have off the bench. Seems very sensible, settled back 5 and keeper. Good midfield pairing. I'd maybe just swap out DJ for Brooks and then utilise DJ and Brennan off the bench if we want to stretch the game. |
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Post by surge on Mar 21, 2024 12:30:43 GMT
Everyone updated their ticket app now?
(Just in case some of you haven't opened up the thing to see message on home screen for a few weeks).
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Post by winsumluzsum on Mar 21, 2024 12:31:23 GMT
Team tomorrow : back 8 are all certain selections: Ward Mepham Rodon Davies Roberts Ampadu JJ Neco Wilson DJ Moore Wilson is in the form of his life, as is Dan. Also the DJ Moore combo has worked so well for us in the past. Thirdly, Moore gives us the tactical flexibility to go long if Finland try and press our midfield and wingbacks with a 4-1-4-1. Tough to leave out Brooks and Johnson, but terrific options to have off the bench. Seems very sensible, settled back 5 and keeper. Good midfield pairing. I'd maybe just swap out DJ for Brooks and then utilise DJ and Brennan off the bench if we want to stretch the game. That's the way Page will play it I suspect. I wouldn't object to that, but it seems optimal to me to have James and Moore on the pitch for as long as possible, given how well they combine. Having said that, if Finland park the bus we may need the more technical Brooks to unlock the Finland defence. I think we may adopt a high defensive line, as we did against Croatia, regardless of Finland's setup, because I don't think their forwards are particularly pacy. |
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Post by iot on Mar 21, 2024 12:42:13 GMT
Seems very sensible, settled back 5 and keeper. Good midfield pairing. I'd maybe just swap out DJ for Brooks and then utilise DJ and Brennan off the bench if we want to stretch the game. That's the way Page will play it I suspect. I wouldn't object to that, but it seems optimal to me to have James and Moore on the pitch for as long as possible, given how well they combine. Having said that, if Finland park the bus we may need the more technical Brooks to unlock the Finland defence. I think we may adopt a high defensive line, as we did against Croatia, regardless of Finland's setup, because I don't think their forwards are particularly pacy. Might not be pacey, but Pukki's movement is one of the best around, and us playing a high defensive line would be an absolute dream for him |
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