|
|
Post by winsumluzsum on Mar 27, 2024 9:51:15 GMT
I can't bring myself to watch the game back but for those who have, did Kieffer have a decent shout for a penalty for that apparent push in the box? And Mepham's second yellow - didn't look a foul even from where I was standing - but looks can be deceptive! Didn't matter in the context of the game of course but he'll now be unavailable for our opening Nation's League match. I think it was a strong shout. There was a definite shove in the back. The ball was heading out of play, so that may have been a factor in the ref and VARs thinking, but it shouldn't have been. Mepham got his toe on the ball and made minimal contact on his opponent, so never a booking. |
|
|
|
Post by greenscorpio1967 on Mar 27, 2024 9:53:06 GMT
I can't bring myself to watch the game back but for those who have, did Kieffer have a decent shout for a penalty for that apparent push in the box? And Mepham's second yellow - didn't look a foul even from where I was standing - but looks can be deceptive! Didn't matter in the context of the game of course but he'll now be unavailable for our opening Nation's League match. |
|
|
|
Post by greenscorpio1967 on Mar 27, 2024 9:55:25 GMT
Yes I believe anywhere else on the pitch a free kick would have been given
|
|
|
|
Post by morg on Mar 27, 2024 9:55:32 GMT
I can't bring myself to watch the game back but for those who have, did Kieffer have a decent shout for a penalty for that apparent push in the box? And Mepham's second yellow - didn't look a foul even from where I was standing - but looks can be deceptive! Didn't matter in the context of the game of course but he'll now be unavailable for our opening Nation's League match. I think it was a strong shout. There was a definite shove in the back. The ball was heading out of play, so that may have been a factor in the ref and VARs thinking, but it shouldn't have been. Mepham got his toe on the ball and made minimal contact on his opponent, so never a booking. Think the ref forgot he'd booked him previously. He seemed to be scrambling about for a red card after taking out the yellow. There were one or two Poles who were far more deserving of two yellows. |
|
|
|
Post by erasedcitizen on Mar 27, 2024 10:01:37 GMT
Yes I believe anywhere else on the pitch a free kick would have been given VAR isn't overturning it whichever way the ref gives it. Frustrating. |
|
|
|
Post by gimli on Mar 27, 2024 10:11:30 GMT
Why did Page have Ramsey in the squad if he wasn't even going to bring him on for extra time and penalties? Didn't look like he even warmed up so clearly Page never had any intention of playing him. He's the official captain. Not sure that having him involved is any sort of error given the number of players sitting on the bench who have no hope of getting on the pitch in any event. What leaves me scratching my head is why, when a wingback gets injured, we didn't bring on a specialist wingback to replace him. What's the point of having like-for-like replacenents if you choose not to use them. Probably would have been a good idea to bring on our captain (and first choice penalty taker) for the most crucial part of the game. Sure, he might have been rusty, but he's a big game player and he could have lasted 15-30 mins. And considering how much some of our players were blowing in extra time, even with his lack of match fitness he would have been an upgrade at that point in the game. He should have been on the pitch and taken the 5th penalty. |
|
|
|
Post by vvm on Mar 27, 2024 10:11:35 GMT
It's funny how much we discuss call ups and who is and isn't in the squad when Page has no intention to ever consider using the majority of the bench. I understand there would be a step down in quality but surely fresh legs would have had a good impact.
I don't think he got it completely wrong though, we were just unlucky.
|
|
|
|
Post by conwy10 on Mar 27, 2024 10:13:53 GMT
The team improved towards the end of the campaign,notably the emergence of JJ.The play time of more of the first teamers at a decent level and the form of the Leeds players ect.Though I'm old enough to remember when only 8 teams qualified for the finals.The easier route for qualifying these days and more teams in finals.Rather than been close to qualifying, it "hides" the fact we only got 1 point against Armernia home and away. That Armenia double cost us. I think I remember seeing if we took the same amount of points off Armenia that Latvia did we would have qualified automatically. I also think if we beat Armenia that Turkey away becomes a don't lose than a must win, that we ended up losing. |
|
|
|
Post by morg on Mar 27, 2024 10:19:06 GMT
It's funny how much we discuss call ups and who is and isn't in the squad when Page has no intention to ever consider using the majority of the bench. I understand there would be a step down in quality but surely fresh legs would have had a good impact. I don't think he got it completely wrong though, we were just unlucky. Goalkeepers and injuries aside, there were probably only 3 out of 10 substitutes that he would have considered bringing on I'd say. Broadhead, Brooks and James. That seems like a waste of resources. Is that all down to lack of strength in depth? As others have mentioned why not Colwill for example? |
|
|
|
Post by conwy10 on Mar 27, 2024 10:20:57 GMT
He's the official captain. Not sure that having him involved is any sort of error given the number of players sitting on the bench who have no hope of getting on the pitch in any event. What leaves me scratching my head is why, when a wingback gets injured, we didn't bring on a specialist wingback to replace him. What's the point of having like-for-like replacenents if you choose not to use them. Probably would have been a good idea to bring on our captain (and first choice penalty taker) for the most crucial part of the game. Sure, he might have been rusty, but he's a big game player and he could have lasted 15-30 mins. And considering how much some of our players were blowing in extra time, even with his lack of match fitness he would have been an upgrade at that point in the game. He should have been on the pitch and taken the 5th penalty. I thought at 118 we'd sub J James for Ramsey. Shocked our actual penalty taker wasn't bought on for penalties, although last time that happened for Rangers he missed one. We were holding out for penalties for the last 15. I know Moore was a penalty taker, but he was out on his feet. You could see he had nothing left when he was gifted that chance in the first half of extra time. I was thankful for penalties when it became attack against defence. I don't think Broadhead is there yet, but throw him on for Moore and we have an outball and a chance. |
|
|
|
Post by vvm on Mar 27, 2024 10:27:06 GMT
It's funny how much we discuss call ups and who is and isn't in the squad when Page has no intention to ever consider using the majority of the bench. I understand there would be a step down in quality but surely fresh legs would have had a good impact. I don't think he got it completely wrong though, we were just unlucky. Goalkeepers and injuries aside, there were probably only 3 out of 10 substitutes that he would have considered bringing on I'd say. Broadhead, Brooks and James. That seems like a waste of resources. Is that all down to lack of strength in depth? As others have mentioned why not Colwill for example? Looking at the bench again it does look a bit disjointed. Was Dasilva the only the only fullback/wingback option? Sheehan maybe the only cm option? Doesn't look like Ramsey was an option and Savage a bit too junior? Matondo and Cullen maybe could have come on but doubt they'd have made much of an impact. Maybe Colwill should have been considered. |
|
|
|
Post by erasedcitizen on Mar 27, 2024 10:29:31 GMT
It's funny how much we discuss call ups and who is and isn't in the squad when Page has no intention to ever consider using the majority of the bench. I understand there would be a step down in quality but surely fresh legs would have had a good impact. I don't think he got it completely wrong though, we were just unlucky. It was the right approach from the start, but we should've hooked Kieffer first. Not moving to plan B at that point cost us, Brennan was performing. Next mistake was not moving to a 433 when Roberts went off. Pushing Dan James back completely neutralised him and it's as if a man had been sent off rather than subbed. It completely changed the dynamic. We should've been more proactive here. Page's in-game tactical decisions are very confusing. |
|
|
|
Post by ddirpytnop on Mar 27, 2024 10:31:56 GMT
Probably would have been a good idea to bring on our captain (and first choice penalty taker) for the most crucial part of the game. Sure, he might have been rusty, but he's a big game player and he could have lasted 15-30 mins. And considering how much some of our players were blowing in extra time, even with his lack of match fitness he would have been an upgrade at that point in the game. He should have been on the pitch and taken the 5th penalty. I thought at 118 we'd sub J James for Ramsey. Shocked our actual penalty taker wasn't bought on for penalties, although last time that happened for Rangers he missed one. We were holding out for penalties for the last 15. I know Moore was a penalty taker, but he was out on his feet. You could see he had nothing left when he was gifted that chance in the first half of extra time. I was thankful for penalties when it became attack against defence. I don't think Broadhead is there yet, but throw him on for Moore and we have an outball and a chance. Broadhead should definitely have come on sooner to give us an outball with Moore completely out of gas by the end of normal time. He doesn't have blistering pace but he has enough touch, technique and tricks to hold the ball up and keep defenders guessing. I'd have thought he was a natural penalty taker too - more so than Dan James. |
|
|
|
Post by morg on Mar 27, 2024 10:34:10 GMT
Agreed. Colwill and dare I say it Allen and probably Lawrence would have given us more options. That's what's evident with most of the teams we play, they seem to use more subs and they're often like for like. We lose a wing back to injury and we're forced to adjust.
|
|
|
|
Post by ddirpytnop on Mar 27, 2024 11:02:25 GMT
Agreed. Colwill and dare I say it Allen and probably Lawrence would have given us more options. That's what's evident with most of the teams we play, they seem to use more subs and they're often like for like. We lose a wing back to injury and we're forced to adjust. We weren't 'forced' to adjust. We chose to. Although there was a strong case for moving to a back four, if we wanted to continue with wingbacks, the obvious thing to do was to bring on Da Silva at LWB (because that' what he is) and move Neco to the right. Moving Dan to RWB was tactical folly. |
|
|
|
Post by quetzal on Mar 27, 2024 11:25:35 GMT
Agreed. Colwill and dare I say it Allen and probably Lawrence would have given us more options. That's what's evident with most of the teams we play, they seem to use more subs and they're often like for like. We lose a wing back to injury and we're forced to adjust. We weren't 'forced' to adjust. We chose to. Although there was a strong case for moving to a back four, if we wanted to continue with wingbacks, the obvious thing to do was to bring on Da Silva at LWB (because that' what he is) and move Neco to the right. Moving Dan to RWB was tactical folly. The Dan James one is very frustrating. No good back there. |
|
|
|
Post by fiveattheback on Mar 27, 2024 11:34:05 GMT
It's funny how much we discuss call ups and who is and isn't in the squad when Page has no intention to ever consider using the majority of the bench. I understand there would be a step down in quality but surely fresh legs would have had a good impact. I don't think he got it completely wrong though, we were just unlucky. It was the right approach from the start, but we should've hooked Kieffer first. Not moving to plan B at that point cost us, Brennan was performing. Next mistake was not moving to a 433 when Roberts went off. Pushing Dan James back completely neutralised him and it's as if a man had been sent off rather than subbed. It completely changed the dynamic. We should've been more proactive here. Page's in-game tactical decisions are very confusing.And they tend to cost us Poland were slow at the back, they were probably delighted that we left on a knackered Wilson & Moore whilst sticking Dan James at right back. A truly baffling decision that just about sums up Page's in-game abilities. If the first 11 doesn't work for whatever reason, we're screwed |
|
|
|
Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 27, 2024 12:35:23 GMT
My guess is Page doesn't want to put on an uncapped LWB on in such a big game. Which is exactly why I wanted to see Dasilva capped before today, why didn't he come on for Neco in the Finland game for example?
This is also one of the reasons I've been calling for us to try a back 4, insisting on a wing back system when we can't play round pegs in round holes is silly. Every single player in our squad plays a back 4 for their club
Ward
Neco-Mepham-Rodon-Davies
JJ-Ampadu
Brooks-Wilson-DJ
Moore
If we'd gone to that and then lost 1-0 I think people would have been less annoyed, as it's a more proactive change, and gives Poland something different to think about
|
|
|
|
Post by talyfan on Mar 27, 2024 13:51:37 GMT
My guess is Page doesn't want to put on an uncapped LWB on in such a big game. Which is exactly why I wanted to see Dasilva capped before today, why didn't he come on for Neco in the Finland game for example? This is also one of the reasons I've been calling for us to try a back 4, insisting on a wing back system when we can't play round pegs in round holes is silly. Every single player in our squad plays a back 4 for their club Ward Neco-Mepham-Rodon-Davies JJ-Ampadu Brooks-Wilson-DJ Moore If we'd gone to that and then lost 1-0 I think people would have been less annoyed, as it's a more proactive change, and gives Poland something different to think about He had to play Da Silva in my opinion or shift to a back four. Regardless of circumstances any players called up into that match day squad should in my eyes be plenty capable of playing a part for the team. Playing someone completely out of position in a deciding game like that is on par of playing an uncapped player in my eyes |
|
|
|
Post by winsumluzsum on Mar 27, 2024 13:54:55 GMT
My guess is Page doesn't want to put on an uncapped LWB on in such a big game. Which is exactly why I wanted to see Dasilva capped before today, why didn't he come on for Neco in the Finland game for example? This is also one of the reasons I've been calling for us to try a back 4, insisting on a wing back system when we can't play round pegs in round holes is silly. Every single player in our squad plays a back 4 for their club Ward Neco-Mepham-Rodon-Davies JJ-Ampadu Brooks-Wilson-DJ Moore If we'd gone to that and then lost 1-0 I think people would have been less annoyed, as it's a more proactive change, and gives Poland something different to think about It's very hard to argue against that lineup once Roberts was injured. There was an opportunity to turn a difficult situation to our advantage. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but had he done this and it not worked out I don't think he'd be getting the criticism he's getting now. |
|
|
|
Post by talyfan on Mar 27, 2024 13:55:46 GMT
One thing to note that most of that starting XI now playing regular minutes and I must say makes hell of a difference.
All look a lot sharper. Here's hoping the keepers get a move in the summer but not holding my breath
|
|
|
|
Post by fiveattheback on Mar 27, 2024 14:00:57 GMT
My guess is Page doesn't want to put on an uncapped LWB on in such a big game. Which is exactly why I wanted to see Dasilva capped before today, why didn't he come on for Neco in the Finland game for example? This is also one of the reasons I've been calling for us to try a back 4, insisting on a wing back system when we can't play round pegs in round holes is silly. Every single player in our squad plays a back 4 for their club Ward Neco-Mepham-Rodon-Davies JJ-Ampadu Brooks-Wilson-DJ Moore If we'd gone to that and then lost 1-0 I think people would have been less annoyed, as it's a more proactive change, and gives Poland something different to think about It's very hard to argue against that lineup once Roberts was injured. There was an opportunity to turn a difficult situation to our advantage. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but had he done this and it not worked out I don't think he'd be getting the criticism he's getting now. Hindsight is wonderful, although practically everyone around me in the ground was screaming for a back 4 I assumed that he stuck James back there to see out the 90 and would change it at full time which makes sense. There was, what, 5 minutes left? Don't want to mess around with shape at that point without having the coach fully explain it As it was we were left with next to no threat for much of extra time and a winger at full back |
|
|
|
Post by llan123 on Mar 27, 2024 14:02:57 GMT
Not assed about fans booing anthems to be honest, not something I would do personally but each to their own. However the excuse of "booing the flares" as a cover is hilarious. How precious are some of our fans. Its always the wild west in away ends.
There were some right Herberts around me in the Canton screaming for page to be sacked immediately after DJ missed the pen. Thankfully plenty of fans were telling him to turn it in and he came back with the "I was here when only 4000 fans were here" bollocks.
|
|
|
|
Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 27, 2024 14:23:08 GMT
My guess is Page doesn't want to put on an uncapped LWB on in such a big game. Which is exactly why I wanted to see Dasilva capped before today, why didn't he come on for Neco in the Finland game for example? This is also one of the reasons I've been calling for us to try a back 4, insisting on a wing back system when we can't play round pegs in round holes is silly. Every single player in our squad plays a back 4 for their club Ward Neco-Mepham-Rodon-Davies JJ-Ampadu Brooks-Wilson-DJ Moore If we'd gone to that and then lost 1-0 I think people would have been less annoyed, as it's a more proactive change, and gives Poland something different to think about He had to play Da Silva in my opinion or shift to a back four. Regardless of circumstances any players called up into that match day squad should in my eyes be plenty capable of playing a part for the team. Playing someone completely out of position in a deciding game like that is on par of playing an uncapped player in my eyes 100% agree, especially because Dasilva has plenty of experience and played at a tournament for England U21s |
|
|
|
Post by fiveattheback on Mar 27, 2024 14:29:50 GMT
He had to play Da Silva in my opinion or shift to a back four. Regardless of circumstances any players called up into that match day squad should in my eyes be plenty capable of playing a part for the team. Playing someone completely out of position in a deciding game like that is on par of playing an uncapped player in my eyes 100% agree, especially because Dasilva has plenty of experience and played at a tournament for England U21s I can see why he didn't he do it considering he's uncapped, but I agree I would have brought Dasilva on, it's not like he's a kid. He's a 25 year old with plenty of experience |
|
|
|
Post by welwyn on Mar 27, 2024 15:26:44 GMT
Same, that's the move I would have made.
|
|
|
|
Post by winsumluzsum on Mar 27, 2024 15:56:21 GMT
Watching the highlights on the BBC, and we came agonisingly close to scoring in extra time. A low cross from Davies only palmed
straight out, missing James by inches 7 yards out. Fine margins indeed.
|
|
|
|
Post by aberbeeg on Mar 27, 2024 17:15:12 GMT
No shame in losing on pens even if it is the worst way to go out. We should have won in the 90 mins, I thought Poland improved in extra-time, better use of subs (stronger bench perhaps). Disappointed, but the younger generation of Cymru fans now have an insight of what us oldies had to contend with for decades. I'm sure we'll qualify for one of the next two tournaments, as the majority of our players are at the right age, will only improve and be stronger for this disappointment. Not with Page in charge I’m afraid |
|
|
|
Post by aberbeeg on Mar 27, 2024 17:19:44 GMT
Watching the highlights on the BBC, and we came agonisingly close to scoring in extra time. A low cross from Davies only palmed straight out, missing James by inches 7 yards out. Fine margins indeed. So did they. We were hanging on during the majority of extra time |
|
|
|
Post by winsumluzsum on Mar 27, 2024 17:26:29 GMT
We defended very well, no clear cut chances for Poland. Worth noting that our possession figures decreased progressively as the game progressed. 49% first half, 42% second, 39% 1st et, 24% 2nd et.
Page should have noted this gradual deterioration and made more changes.
|
|
