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Post by robin1864 on Jun 10, 2024 12:00:59 GMT
If we had to go for former players, I'd pick Bellamy. He has no loyalty or ties to this current team and wouldn't be afraid of telling them when they're not pulling their weight.
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Post by gwernybwch on Jun 10, 2024 12:01:44 GMT
Depends on whether you believe in forgiveness, I guess? Or have an understanding of the rehabilitation of offenders. Do you think that a drink driver should play for Wales again? Based on your post asking why Tom Lawrence is being overlooked, I would say that you think that it is fine. What about a player that cheats on his girlfriend with an intoxicated girl in a budget hotel? Do you think that a man that is abusive towards women should manager Wales? |
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Post by ddirpytnop on Jun 10, 2024 12:20:06 GMT
Jesus wept......no words. And people were giving Tom Lawrence a hard time - he never killed anyone! That was 23 years ago and I am not sure it has any relevance to his current post at the FAW. He fell asleep at the wheel. It happens and it's not necessarily something you can control (I don't know the circumstances of the case - but the Irish justice clearly decided that the level of culpability didn't meet the criminal threshold). Lawrence was drunk when he crashed his car. That he didn't kill anyone is a matter of luck. But the fact that he knowingly and deliberately put the lives of others at risk, makes it a very serious offence in my book. Although even that doesn't preclude him from playing for Wales were he good enough. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Jun 10, 2024 12:21:22 GMT
Rob Earnshaw: "This is the moment where they do need to change or don’t need to change".
Why not try sitting on the fence Rob? Or not...
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Post by Belle Vue on Jun 10, 2024 12:26:19 GMT
You got a daughter then ?
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Post by wft on Jun 10, 2024 12:27:43 GMT
Rob Earnshaw: "This is the moment where they do need to change or don’t need to change". Why not try sitting on the fence Rob? Or not...  funny |
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Post by gwernybwch on Jun 10, 2024 13:09:46 GMT
You got a daughter then ? Ryan Giggs' ex-wife is someones daughter. Ryan Giggs' ex-girlfriend is someones daughter. The women who Ched Evans had sex with is someones daughter. The women who Ched Evans cheated on is someones daughter. The women who Craig Bellamy was violent towards is someones daughter. It is obvious FROM YOUR NUMEROUS POSTS that you have an issue with Mooney. Mate, I think that you need to seek out some help regarding this. Continuing with this, can't be good for your health. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Jun 10, 2024 13:35:35 GMT
There seems to be a consensus around Page that his biggest limitation is to come up with tactical changes in match in response to adversity.
To be fair, over the past two campaigns there have been 5 occasions where we've retrieved points from losing positions. A win away to Belarus, draws to Czechia and Belgium in the WC campaign, draws away to Croatia and Armenia in the latest campaign.
Apart from the Czechia game can any of these turnarounds be attributed to Page's in-match changes? Certainly in this campaign the draw away to Croatia was more in spite of the changes in personnel rather than because of them. Similarly away to Armenia, where we were outplayed throughout the second half.
There will be pluses in Page's favour when the decision to persist with him or not is made, but it's his decision making under pressure that will count most against his continued tenure.
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Post by iot on Jun 10, 2024 15:01:40 GMT
There seems to be a consensus around Page that his biggest limitation is to come up with tactical changes in match in response to adversity. To be fair, over the past two campaigns there have been 5 occasions where we've retrieved points from losing positions. A win away to Belarus, draws to Czechia and Belgium in the WC campaign, draws away to Croatia and Armenia in the latest campaign. Apart from the Czechia game can any of these turnarounds be attributed to Page's in-match changes? Certainly in this campaign the draw away to Croatia was more in spite of the changes in personnel rather than because of them. Similarly away to Armenia, where we were outplayed throughout the second half. There will be pluses in Page's favour when the decision to persist with him or not is made, but it's his decision making under pressure that will count most against his continued tenure. Belarus is definitely a good example, where he brought on Joniesta and an untested Mark Harris which really gave us some impetus and were instrumental in the comeback. |
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Post by talyfan on Jun 10, 2024 15:17:51 GMT
There seems to be a consensus around Page that his biggest limitation is to come up with tactical changes in match in response to adversity. To be fair, over the past two campaigns there have been 5 occasions where we've retrieved points from losing positions. A win away to Belarus, draws to Czechia and Belgium in the WC campaign, draws away to Croatia and Armenia in the latest campaign. Apart from the Czechia game can any of these turnarounds be attributed to Page's in-match changes? Certainly in this campaign the draw away to Croatia was more in spite of the changes in personnel rather than because of them. Similarly away to Armenia, where we were outplayed throughout the second half. There will be pluses in Page's favour when the decision to persist with him or not is made, but it's his decision making under pressure that will count most against his continued tenure. Belarus is definitely a good example, where he brought on Joniesta and an untested Mark Harris which really gave us some impetus and were instrumental in the comeback. Jonny still be useful now. Such a handy player for us |
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Post by surge on Jun 10, 2024 15:45:14 GMT
There seems to be a consensus around Page that his biggest limitation is to come up with tactical changes in match in response to adversity. To be fair, over the past two campaigns there have been 5 occasions where we've retrieved points from losing positions. A win away to Belarus, draws to Czechia and Belgium in the WC campaign, draws away to Croatia and Armenia in the latest campaign. Apart from the Czechia game can any of these turnarounds be attributed to Page's in-match changes? Certainly in this campaign the draw away to Croatia was more in spite of the changes in personnel rather than because of them. Similarly away to Armenia, where we were outplayed throughout the second half. There will be pluses in Page's favour when the decision to persist with him or not is made, but it's his decision making under pressure that will count most against his continued tenure. If we're assessing his ability to change game during the 90mins, then shouldn't we also look for times when it worked (e.g. momentum changed until the opposition changed further) but didn't lead to positive change in result? |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Jun 10, 2024 15:48:41 GMT
There seems to be a consensus around Page that his biggest limitation is to come up with tactical changes in match in response to adversity. To be fair, over the past two campaigns there have been 5 occasions where we've retrieved points from losing positions. A win away to Belarus, draws to Czechia and Belgium in the WC campaign, draws away to Croatia and Armenia in the latest campaign. Apart from the Czechia game can any of these turnarounds be attributed to Page's in-match changes? Certainly in this campaign the draw away to Croatia was more in spite of the changes in personnel rather than because of them. Similarly away to Armenia, where we were outplayed throughout the second half. There will be pluses in Page's favour when the decision to persist with him or not is made, but it's his decision making under pressure that will count most against his continued tenure. If we're assessing his ability to change game during the 90mins, then shouldn't we also look for times when it worked (e.g. momentum changed until the opposition changed further) but didn't lead to positive change in result? Yes, that would be fair. Any suggestions? |
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Post by njdragon on Jun 10, 2024 16:05:10 GMT
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Post by winsumluzsum on Jun 10, 2024 16:10:50 GMT
I wouldn't read too much in to that. I can hardly blame him for pulling out, as it would have been very uncomfortable. |
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Post by dai on Jun 10, 2024 16:49:46 GMT
Not sure that's of any significance. I don't he's afraid of confrontation, so I imagine he's been advised to pull out based on last nights' reactions. Don't think any discussions will have been held yet. |
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Post by playslikeiniesta on Jun 10, 2024 18:39:02 GMT
Noel Mooney comes across as a right prat and needs to stay away from social media if he is to continue in his role.
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Post by aberbeeg on Jun 10, 2024 19:05:04 GMT
When these kind of things start happening it’s always the end ( hopefully) |
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Post by quetzal on Jun 10, 2024 19:34:34 GMT
I find it strange that not many people mention Steve Cooper for Wales job when it becomes available. 1. Could be that he did a good job with Forest so now it’s assumed that he could command a Prem League salary which would put him out of our reach and 2. Which is very disappointing, he doesn’t come across as a very passionate Welshman.
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Post by cadno on Jun 10, 2024 19:36:51 GMT
I’d love Steve Cooper.
Could we attract a Paulo Sousa or Jan Olof Andersson? The latter especially has plenty of intl management experience, would make us an organised side.
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Post by surge on Jun 10, 2024 19:38:36 GMT
If we're assessing his ability to change game during the 90mins, then shouldn't we also look for times when it worked (e.g. momentum changed until the opposition changed further) but didn't lead to positive change in result? Yes, that would be fair. Any suggestions? I would usually criticise Page for making changes to make us more attacking but losing shape and structure, though I do think subs against Poland probs best they could have been. We probably lost two points in Nations League against Netherlands due to wanting to attack in unrestrained manner. Broadhead against Croatia on debut was definitely a Page decision though, USA changes at half time and maybe Netherlands away in Nations League before we lost it. Maybe Ukraine at home too considering we were on the ropes for much of it but finished more strongly. For the most part Wales games under Coleman, Giggs and Page have seen us take the lead or struggle though. Can't really remember winning games from behind under any of these but how much that due to lack in depth off the bench? There are things I think Page has done well in terms of bringing through young players and changing leadership group to make it younger. Think we can also recognise that the TifonFootball lot (now part of the Athletic) have been complimentary of us with Page in charge including Poland away in Nations League, so there has been some recognition from outside. There are some things about his time here which I find highly annoying too and the recent away record is concerning. Overall, having seen us score an incredible goal Belgium away in World Cup qualifiers and because he's been less problematic than Giggs (who struggled until Kieffer came along), I have been more open to him succeeding than some. I think it will be difficult to come back from where we are now with him in charge. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Jun 10, 2024 19:39:27 GMT
Given his recent success with Como why look beyond Osian? His credentials have never been stronger.
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Post by winsumluzsum on Jun 10, 2024 19:44:28 GMT
Yes, that would be fair. Any suggestions? I would usually criticise Page for making changes to make us more attacking but losing shape and structure, though I do think subs against Poland probs best they could have been. We probably lost two points in Nations League against Netherlands due to wanting to attack in unrestrained manner. Broadhead against Croatia on debut was definitely a Page decision though, USA changes at half time and maybe Netherlands away in Nations League before we lost it. Maybe Ukraine at home too considering we were on the ropes for much of it but finished more strongly. For the most part Wales games under Coleman, Giggs and Page have seen us take the lead or struggle though. Can't really remember winning games from behind under any of these but how much that due to lack in depth off the bench? There are things I think Page has done well in terms of bringing through young players and changing leadership group to make it younger. Think we can also recognise that the TifonFootball lot (now part of the Athletic) have been complimentary of us with Page in charge including Poland away in Nations League, so there has been some recognition from outside. There are some things about his time here which I find highly annoying too and the recent away record is concerning. Overall, having seen us score an incredible goal Belgium away in World Cup qualifiers and because he's been less problematic than Giggs (who struggled until Kieffer came along), I have been more open to him succeeding than some. I think it will be difficult to come back from where we are now with him in charge. A very balanced post. I'm reluctant to credit him for the Croatia result though. After his substitutions Croatia went from dominant to totally in control. The equaliser was the ultimate sucker punch that came from nowhere. I honestly think Page gave up on getting a result and was just interested in blooding some new caps. |
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Post by quetzal on Jun 10, 2024 19:48:25 GMT
I’d love Steve Cooper. Could we attract a Paulo Sousa or Jan Olof Andersson? The latter especially has plenty of intl management experience, would make us an organised side. Marco Rossi the Hungarian manager who ironically lost to Page once I’d love. Good attacking football and a 51% win percentage with Hungary. Page is 33% win rate with Wales. |
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Post by iot on Jun 10, 2024 20:08:40 GMT
I find it strange that not many people mention Steve Cooper for Wales job when it becomes available. 1. Could be that he did a good job with Forest so now it’s assumed that he could command a Prem League salary which would put him out of our reach and 2. Which is very disappointing, he doesn’t come across as a very passionate Welshman. He’s allegedly turned down Burnley and, as you say, never looked to help us out when he managed Forest and the Swans (quite the opposite in fact), which implies he’s not particularly patriotic. Can’t see him being interested |
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Post by iot on Jun 10, 2024 20:15:00 GMT
Given his recent success with Como why look beyond Osian? His credentials have never been stronger. I’ve mentioned this before, but his role with Como is very unclear - it’s been widely reported that Fabregas was the Manager in all but name, basically confirmed by the fact he will be the manager next season. So I’m not sure how much we can read into his Como gig. People have also assumed for some reason that he was the tactical mastermind behind Coleman, but I have no idea what that’s based on. When I hear Coleman and some of the ex players talking about that period, I get the strong impression that people are doing Coleman a disservice - it was he who decided to go with the back 5 and to have Rambo and Bale as the double 10s. Working in his favour is his assistant manager stint during a decent spell with Palace, which is no mean feat, and that he is clearly highly respected by those who have undergone his courses. |
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Post by felinessex on Jun 10, 2024 20:38:28 GMT
Given his recent success with Como why look beyond Osian? His credentials have never been stronger. I’ve mentioned this before, but his role with Como is very unclear - it’s been widely reported that Fabregas was the Manager in all but name, basically confirmed by the fact he will be the manager next season. So I’m not sure how much we can read into his Como gig. People have also assumed for some reason that he was the tactical mastermind behind Coleman, but I have no idea what that’s based on. When I hear Coleman and some of the ex players talking about that period, I get the strong impression that people are doing Coleman a disservice - it was he who decided to go with the back 5 and to have Rambo and Bale as the double 10s. Working in his favour is his assistant manager stint during a decent spell with Palace, which is no mean feat, and that he is clearly highly respected by those who have undergone his courses. The Como website sets out a pretty clear future for him. If that’s what he wants. Sounds good to me. Exactly what we need right now. Como 1907 is delighted to announce that former Technical Director of the Morocco FRMF and FA Wales, Osian Roberts, has been appointed caretaker manager until the end of the 23/24 season. Roberts, whose previous coaching roles have included Crystal Palace in the Premier League and the Welsh National side, will take charge of the first team in January supported by Cesc Fàbregas and the current coaching squad. Roberts will additionally be Head of Development for Como 1907, tasked with creating a Como Culture within the organisation including coach education and player development plans, he will focus on this role full time after the end of the season. comofootball.com/en/como-1907-appoints-osian-roberts-as-caretaker-manager/ |
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Post by welshrover on Jun 10, 2024 21:07:32 GMT
Apparently Page has pulled out of a live show in Cardiff where he was due to co present with Neil Warnock.
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Post by iot on Jun 10, 2024 21:39:34 GMT
I’ve mentioned this before, but his role with Como is very unclear - it’s been widely reported that Fabregas was the Manager in all but name, basically confirmed by the fact he will be the manager next season. So I’m not sure how much we can read into his Como gig. People have also assumed for some reason that he was the tactical mastermind behind Coleman, but I have no idea what that’s based on. When I hear Coleman and some of the ex players talking about that period, I get the strong impression that people are doing Coleman a disservice - it was he who decided to go with the back 5 and to have Rambo and Bale as the double 10s. Working in his favour is his assistant manager stint during a decent spell with Palace, which is no mean feat, and that he is clearly highly respected by those who have undergone his courses. The Como website sets out a pretty clear future for him. If that’s what he wants. Sounds good to me. Exactly what we need right now. Como 1907 is delighted to announce that former Technical Director of the Morocco FRMF and FA Wales, Osian Roberts, has been appointed caretaker manager until the end of the 23/24 season. Roberts, whose previous coaching roles have included Crystal Palace in the Premier League and the Welsh National side, will take charge of the first team in January supported by Cesc Fàbregas and the current coaching squad. Roberts will additionally be Head of Development for Como 1907, tasked with creating a Como Culture within the organisation including coach education and player development plans, he will focus on this role full time after the end of the season. comofootball.com/en/como-1907-appoints-osian-roberts-as-caretaker-manager/Ok, but how much of that is the official line and how much of it is how the club were managed last season in reality. We know that Fabregas was the Head Coach, but then Osian was brought in as the Manager while Fabregas completed his badges, and that next season Osian is going to be the Head of Development with Fabregas going back to the Head Coach position. That’s always been the plan. If Osian was brought in as the outright Manager, why did they plan for him to move into a more technical role the following season, with Fabregas going back to the position he previously held? |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Jun 10, 2024 21:58:51 GMT
Truth is we just don't know the level of input from Osian. I can't imagine him just sitting in the corner whilst Fabregas got on with managing. I imagine Osian was heavily involved at the very least.
Coleman was responsible for us going with a wingback system but I'm pretty certain that Osian was the inspiration for the move to a 3-4-2-1. Proving it is another matter.
In any event just being as assistant manager in the Premier League is a pretty decent pedigree. Assistant managers in the PL have often been given Championship or lower league jobs e.g. Maresca and Chris Davies (Birmingham having turned Swansea down). If Osian were appointed Cymru manager he would have the strongest managerial CV since Toshack. Only Jimmy Murphy, apart from Toshack, would have a stronger CV than Osian (I refuse to consider Bobby Gould...)
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Post by conwy10 on Jun 10, 2024 22:03:47 GMT
Given his recent success with Como why look beyond Osian? His credentials have never been stronger. I'll never know why but he's just never seen as a contender. I think he could win the World Cup for a country like Austria with all the players going on record saying the sole reason was Osian Roberts and he still wouldn't get it. Sad situation but I'm happy to be quoted that he'll never be Wales manager. |
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