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Post by CrackityJones on Jun 7, 2024 9:56:19 GMT
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Post by fireboy0610 on Jun 7, 2024 10:03:51 GMT
As I've said, its upto you what you believe but my source says different. |
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Post by njdragon on Jun 7, 2024 10:13:44 GMT
That was before the WC, he got a rise after it, which is shocking really. As I've said, its upto you what you believe but my source says different. Page signed his new contract before the world cup www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62679987Deal was set to expire after the world cup so quite possible he was on 350K during but then increased when his new contract came into effect |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jun 7, 2024 10:25:18 GMT
Im sure I read he’s on £300k a year, which would mean 1.2m overall. He’s not on 1.2m a year. Impossible. Giggs was on £350-£400k a year, so Page is overpaid anyway. If Page was on minimum wage he'd be overpaid. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 7, 2024 10:41:48 GMT
As I've said, its upto you what you believe but my source says different. Who is your source? You don't have to name them but you could say what level he is operating at? I'm pretty sure either you or he have misunderstood that Page will earn £1.2m over the total contract, and that this is actually £300k per year |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 7, 2024 10:42:33 GMT
Remember the Albania/Trinidad friendlies? I don't think we were any better in those than we were yesterday |
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Post by aberbeeg on Jun 7, 2024 11:03:55 GMT
I thought it was £300k+ OMG Wales boss Page broke the £1m barrier in terms of his annual wages when he signed a new contract with the FAW back in September. Page's £1.2m salary is more than four times that of former Liverpool defender Song, who makes less than £300,000 as the head coach of Cameroon.15 Nov 2022 We are stuck with him for 2 years. FFS. How on earth can someone so mediocre hit the lottery like that Only in Wales could this happen Worth pointing out that page was awarded this prior to World Cup in sept after all us welsh fans had won the lottery The away fans certainly weren’t thinking that last night when they were calling for his head!! |
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Post by njdragon on Jun 7, 2024 11:27:05 GMT
Worth pointing out that page was awarded this prior to World Cup in sept after all us welsh fans had won the lottery The away fans certainly weren’t thinking that last night when they were calling for his head!! No and i bet they didnt care how much page was given when we had just qualified for the world cup Swings and roundabouts |
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Post by kracken88 on Jun 7, 2024 11:47:31 GMT
My god how much more good France has this chancer got left for getting us to a world cup were we were pretty crap, enough is enough.
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Post by kracken88 on Jun 7, 2024 11:48:09 GMT
My god how much more good grace has this chancer got left for getting us to a world cup were we were pretty crap, enough is enough. |
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Post by kracken88 on Jun 7, 2024 11:51:18 GMT
Ah balls I give up,I'm much to fed up to think about this crap anymore,and we can all whine for the next year and nothing is going to change is it,we are saddled with Mr tries has hard as he can but just hasn't got what it takes.
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Post by hooky on Jun 7, 2024 12:05:51 GMT
Look I think we'll struggle to qualify for tournaments now - our star dust has left the stage and we are a small country. Watching the likes of Brennan Johnson recently, he is a massive downgrade on Bale and probably mich more focused upon Spurs than Wales - Bale was exceptional on looking at things the other way around!
However, we need to try to get a decent and competent manager. I know its hard but if someone is skilled in recruiting the right man/fit then it can be done.
It has happened before, but you just can't drop loads of points against minnows. Armenia are no mugs but even after doing well against us and Turkey, they are still ranked 94th in the world for a reason! We are not Brazil so I doubt they saw us as their cup final and the fact that they made us look like fools when taking those points off us should trigger alarm bells.
Its just not good enough for a team that is average but had a golden opportunity to qualify. As stated he had 3 chances to get us qualified - he messed up at home against them but then we messed it up away to them. We played a very average Polish team and whatever anyone says - being a kick away from the tournament - it is still a loss and one most of us attribute in part to some strange decisions, which came down to him not developing his bench options enough and not trusting his bench. He is the bottom of the barrel as far as international managers are concerned and while we have had a few bad managers that does not mean we just accept it. A good manager does not oversee the kind of performances we have seen against Armenia, Estonia, Latvia, Belarus, etc, when the same team is capable of beating Croatia and drawing with Belgium. He clearly is not making a positive difference in selections or tactics - the managers of these minor countries are outperforming him
If he is on £300-400k a year then get rid when you have someone better available. If we continue like this crowd numbers will plummet and our ranking will slide - making it harder for us to qualify for things in future. Bale, Ramsey and the likes of Dan James are the reason we made tournaments and got us higher ranking which got us higher seedings and easier groups, not Page (or Coleman, albeit Coleman was at least competent and consistent) - that should be clear for everyone to see. Lets move on as soon as we can. Him leaving now gives him close to £1mn in the bank and us a fresh start. Him staying is not good for him or us.
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Post by dai on Jun 7, 2024 12:43:37 GMT
Remember the Albania/Trinidad friendlies? I don't think we were any better in those than we were yesterday Worth pointing out that Page has been in place longer than Giggs, and whereas we were slowly improving under Giggs, we’ve been regressing under Page. Imo. |
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Post by iot on Jun 7, 2024 13:04:58 GMT
Remember the Albania/Trinidad friendlies? I don't think we were any better in those than we were yesterday Worth pointing out that Page has been in place longer than Giggs, and whereas we were slowly improving under Giggs, we’ve been regressing under Page. Imo. Hasn't been linear progression in either case. We started off with a bang under Giggs, then were pretty terrible, then recovered with a strong end to the Euro 2020 qualifiers, and then had a few meh Nations League performances before Giggs left. There have been lots of ups and downs under Page too. The last season (2023/24) has actually been very good on the whole - 4 wins, 5 draws, 0 losses, much better than the previous year (2022/23) - 1 win, 2 draws, 4 losses. Obviously there's all sorts of caveats in making those comparisons, but the second half of our campaign was much better than the first, which doesn't fit into a narrative of a continuous regression under Page vs getting progressively better under Giggs. |
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Post by fireboy0610 on Jun 7, 2024 13:16:56 GMT
As I've said, its upto you what you believe but my source says different. Who is your source? You don't have to name them but you could say what level he is operating at? I'm pretty sure either you or he have misunderstood that Page will earn £1.2m over the total contract, and that this is actually £300k per year A well respected journalist. You only have to look at HMRC, its all there to see. |
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Post by eppingblue1 on Jun 7, 2024 14:58:24 GMT
Who is your source? You don't have to name them but you could say what level he is operating at? I'm pretty sure either you or he have misunderstood that Page will earn £1.2m over the total contract, and that this is actually £300k per year A well respected journalist. You only have to look at HMRC, its all there to see. Are you saying you can freely look at someone else's tax return ? |
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Post by fireboy0610 on Jun 7, 2024 15:05:23 GMT
A well respected journalist. You only have to look at HMRC, its all there to see. Are you saying you can freely look at someone else's tax return ? Tbh I am not sure but I've been told that you can see what he earns on HMRC. |
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Post by dai on Jun 7, 2024 15:11:59 GMT
Worth pointing out that Page has been in place longer than Giggs, and whereas we were slowly improving under Giggs, we’ve been regressing under Page. Imo. Hasn't been linear progression in either case. We started off with a bang under Giggs, then were pretty terrible, then recovered with a strong end to the Euro 2020 qualifiers, and then had a few meh Nations League performances before Giggs left. There have been lots of ups and downs under Page too. The last season (2023/24) has actually been very good on the whole - 4 wins, 5 draws, 0 losses, much better than the previous year (2022/23) - 1 win, 2 draws, 4 losses. Obviously there's all sorts of caveats in making those comparisons, but the second half of our campaign was much better than the first, which doesn't fit into a narrative of a continuous regression under Page vs getting progressively better under Giggs. I understand. But Giggs was only in charge properly for 2 years, while Page has been 4, so theres been more time for things to go wrong. I would personally say we plateaued a bit under Giggs, but there was more evidence of progression, whereas I’ve only seen regression under Page. |
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Post by eppingblue1 on Jun 7, 2024 15:29:26 GMT
Look I think we'll struggle to qualify for tournaments now - our star dust has left the stage and we are a small country. Watching the likes of Brennan Johnson recently, he is a massive downgrade on Bale and probably mich more focused upon Spurs than Wales - Bale was exceptional on looking at things the other way around! However, we need to try to get a decent and competent manager. I know its hard but if someone is skilled in recruiting the right man/fit then it can be done. It has happened before, but you just can't drop loads of points against minnows. Armenia are no mugs but even after doing well against us and Turkey, they are still ranked 94th in the world for a reason! We are not Brazil so I doubt they saw us as their cup final and the fact that they made us look like fools when taking those points off us should trigger alarm bells. Its just not good enough for a team that is average but had a golden opportunity to qualify. As stated he had 3 chances to get us qualified - he messed up at home against them but then we messed it up away to them. We played a very average Polish team and whatever anyone says - being a kick away from the tournament - it is still a loss and one most of us attribute in part to some strange decisions, which came down to him not developing his bench options enough and not trusting his bench. He is the bottom of the barrel as far as international managers are concerned and while we have had a few bad managers that does not mean we just accept it. A good manager does not oversee the kind of performances we have seen against Armenia, Estonia, Latvia, Belarus, etc, when the same team is capable of beating Croatia and drawing with Belgium. He clearly is not making a positive difference in selections or tactics - the managers of these minor countries are outperforming him If he is on £300-400k a year then get rid when you have someone better available. If we continue like this crowd numbers will plummet and our ranking will slide - making it harder for us to qualify for things in future. Bale, Ramsey and the likes of Dan James are the reason we made tournaments and got us higher ranking which got us higher seedings and easier groups, not Page (or Coleman, albeit Coleman was at least competent and consistent) - that should be clear for everyone to see. Lets move on as soon as we can. Him leaving now gives him close to £1mn in the bank and us a fresh start. Him staying is not good for him or us. Your right about the quality but it goes much deeper than Bale / Johnson comparison. Right now I think we have the lowest quality of players available than we have since I started following. I don't thin we have a single nailed on starter in the premier league next season. More worryingly there's barely any interest in transfering welsh players up the leagues. I've been a supporter of Page through the recent tribulations but the lack of desire and motivation coming from him yesterday was alarming. You cant throw away even 5 ranking points in this new system. It wont just bite in December when they draw the world cup it will still count as 5 points down when they draw the world cup n 20 years time. The games against Armenia and now Gibralter probably count for 40 points down. Only 105 points currently separate the bottom of 1 and the top of 3. Pot 2 and your in with a good shout of a play off and the better your ranking the better the play off your likely to get. As bleak as the squad is currently, that's temporary better players will come through, but we'll always be marginal qualifiers for the euros and to an even greater extent the World Cup. A better manager could make enough of a difference. So it ought to be times up for Page and I hate saying it after him getting us to the world cup. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Jun 7, 2024 16:01:38 GMT
Are you saying you can freely look at someone else's tax return ? Tbh I am not sure but I've been told that you can see what he earns on HMRC. Let me guess your well respected journalist mate in the know told you? |
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Post by superunknown on Jun 7, 2024 16:12:20 GMT
Are you saying you can freely look at someone else's tax return ? Tbh I am not sure but I've been told that you can see what he earns on HMRC. You can if you work there but obviously it’s a sackable offence. |
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Post by aberbeeg on Jun 7, 2024 16:36:49 GMT
The commentary team mentioned page has only managed 3 away wins in his time. No surprise after watching that crap
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Post by fireboy0610 on Jun 7, 2024 16:52:41 GMT
Tbh I am not sure but I've been told that you can see what he earns on HMRC. Let me guess your well respected journalist mate in the know told you? As I've said it's upto you whether to believe me, there has something been put on here confirming it, if you want to keep your head in the sand it'd upto you, you keep up woth your smart comments, I'm not bothered 😉 |
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Post by dai on Jun 7, 2024 17:05:25 GMT
Hasn't been linear progression in either case. We started off with a bang under Giggs, then were pretty terrible, then recovered with a strong end to the Euro 2020 qualifiers, and then had a few meh Nations League performances before Giggs left. There have been lots of ups and downs under Page too. The last season (2023/24) has actually been very good on the whole - 4 wins, 5 draws, 0 losses, much better than the previous year (2022/23) - 1 win, 2 draws, 4 losses. Obviously there's all sorts of caveats in making those comparisons, but the second half of our campaign was much better than the first, which doesn't fit into a narrative of a continuous regression under Page vs getting progressively better under Giggs. I understand. But Giggs was only in charge properly for 2 years, while Page has been 4, so theres been more time for things to go wrong. I would personally say we plateaued a bit under Giggs, but there was more evidence of progression, whereas I’ve only seen regression under Page. I would also add as well that Giggs seemed to be very good at getting the best out of the younger players. Albeit a few of them have dropped the radar. I haven't seen many of our younger players showing anything of note under Page. One can only assume that he just isn't a very good coach and manager. |
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Post by cadno on Jun 7, 2024 17:16:42 GMT
Class performance home vs Croatia.
A huge overreaction on twitter from our fans last night, it was an end of season friendly with our B team, it was never going to be a blinder. Performance was fine, run about for the lads.
I’m more concerned with the way we’ve been run and managed over a long period now, since the 2021 euros really.
Thought Page should’ve gone after the World Cup, but might as well keep him now as the FAW will probably do.
The Red wall needs to get behind the side, but we’re a fickle nation
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Post by aberbeeg on Jun 7, 2024 17:30:31 GMT
Class performance home vs Croatia. A huge overreaction on twitter from our fans last night, it was an end of season friendly with our B team, it was never going to be a blinder. Performance was fine, run about for the lads. I’m more concerned with the way we’ve been run and managed over a long period now, since the 2021 euros really. Thought Page should’ve gone after the World Cup, but might as well keep him now as the FAW will probably do. The Red wall needs to get behind the side, but we’re a fickle nation I certainly don’t think the “performance was fine” in fact I thought it was a mess and all over the shop with very little variation to stubbornness tactics. the rest of your points are nailed on though |
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Post by CrackityJones on Jun 7, 2024 17:46:41 GMT
Let me guess your well respected journalist mate in the know told you? As I've said it's upto you whether to believe me, there has something been put on here confirming it, if you want to keep your head in the sand it'd upto you, you keep up woth your smart comments, I'm not bothered 😉 Where? I haven’t seen it confirmed in this thread that Page is on 1.2m per year. Just you and another poster who seems to have mixed up per year with the total contract value. If it’s true then I’m sure the in the know well respected journalist will publish the details of Page’s £1.2 m per year soon. |
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Post by conwy10 on Jun 7, 2024 18:08:14 GMT
Class performance home vs Croatia. A huge overreaction on twitter from our fans last night, it was an end of season friendly with our B team, it was never going to be a blinder. Performance was fine, run about for the lads. I’m more concerned with the way we’ve been run and managed over a long period now, since the 2021 euros really. Thought Page should’ve gone after the World Cup, but might as well keep him now as the FAW will probably do. The Red wall needs to get behind the side, but we’re a fickle nation Are we a fickle nation? I think we're quite easy going to be honest. We have a moan from time to time but it takes a lot to get us really going. Look at the stick Southgate gets. He averages semifinals each tournament. |
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Post by kracken88 on Jun 7, 2024 18:30:33 GMT
Speaking of Southgate,he is starting to worry me, seems he has made some brave squad decisions,maybe he's thinking sod it it's probably my last tournament I'm going to go for it, hoping for the usual England so close but so far but I'm worried they might actually win one eventually.
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Post by neverever on Jun 7, 2024 18:30:40 GMT
As I've said it's upto you whether to believe me, there has something been put on here confirming it, if you want to keep your head in the sand it'd upto you, you keep up woth your smart comments, I'm not bothered 😉 Where? I haven’t seen it confirmed in this thread that Page is on 1.2m per year. Just you and another poster who seems to have mixed up per year with the total contract value. If it’s true then I’m sure the in the know well respected journalist will publish the details of Page’s £1.2 m per year soon. Only way to resolve this could possibly be through a Freedom of information request to find out. Because I have looked at the FAW site & I cannot find anything where usually these organisations publish Annual reports and governance reports on the site which would give details on staff remuneration/salaries etc etc… .. |
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