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Post by fireboy0610 on Jun 7, 2024 18:58:47 GMT
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 7, 2024 21:12:06 GMT
Remember the Albania/Trinidad friendlies? I don't think we were any better in those than we were yesterday Worth pointing out that Page has been in place longer than Giggs, and whereas we were slowly improving under Giggs, we’ve been regressing under Page. Imo. We weren't slowly improving under Giggs, he just unearthed Kieffer Moore, which I do give him credit for by the way - but it wasn't that it just took our time to learn Giggs's style or anything. He got lucky that he found the missing piece and was bold enough to trust him I'd say we're stagnant under Page, not regressing. We're consistently good at home against teams that come to play, but we're consistently bad against teams that sit in and defend against us. Nothing has changed under Page in that respect |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 7, 2024 21:22:23 GMT
This is an article written by a boxing journalist. Think it's quite likely he just mixed up per year with the total contract mate |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 7, 2024 21:23:38 GMT
The commentary team mentioned page has only managed 3 away wins in his time. No surprise after watching that crap I'm not surprised. Mentioned after the Armenia game out tactics at home don't work so well away from home. Yesterday's performance was poor for different reasons, but I worry about our away form when it comes to qualifying. This Nations League will be huge for us |
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Post by gwernybwch on Jun 7, 2024 22:00:40 GMT
Who is your source? You don't have to name them but you could say what level he is operating at? I'm pretty sure either you or he have misunderstood that Page will earn £1.2m over the total contract, and that this is actually £300k per year A well respected journalist. You only have to look at HMRC, its all there to see. I'm sorry but I am not believing the journalist either. You just have to look at the accounts of the FAW to realise that they couldn't afford to pay a manager £1.2m pa. Coleman was on around £300k pa and they pushed the boat to hire Giggs at circa £400k pa or something. Remember that they had limited income during Covid and that still had to pay Giggs wages when he was on gardening leave. The only way that I could see them paying him anywhere close to that would be some kind of one off WC qualification bonus. If they have agreed a contract with Page for £1.2m pa for a part-time job, they need a kick in the @rse. That sort of money would take them into the realms of a full-time basis experienced Championship level Manager or experienced middling international manager, not a L2 failure. |
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Post by fireboy0610 on Jun 8, 2024 5:32:26 GMT
A well respected journalist. You only have to look at HMRC, its all there to see. I'm sorry but I am not believing the journalist either. You just have to look at the accounts of the FAW to realise that they couldn't afford to pay a manager £1.2m pa. Coleman was on around £300k pa and they pushed the boat to hire Giggs at circa £400k pa or something. Remember that they had limited income during Covid and that still had to pay Giggs wages when he was on gardening leave. The only way that I could see them paying him anywhere close to that would be some kind of one off WC qualification bonus. If they have agreed a contract with Page for £1.2m pa for a part-time job, they need a kick in the @rse. That sort of money would take them into the realms of a full-time basis experienced Championship level Manager or experienced middling international manager, not a L2 failure. As i keep saying I get if people don't believe me but it's from a very good well respected source. Anyway we are on the plane ready for take off to Vienna 👍🏴🍻 |
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Post by cadno on Jun 8, 2024 7:03:48 GMT
Class performance home vs Croatia. A huge overreaction on twitter from our fans last night, it was an end of season friendly with our B team, it was never going to be a blinder. Performance was fine, run about for the lads. I’m more concerned with the way we’ve been run and managed over a long period now, since the 2021 euros really. Thought Page should’ve gone after the World Cup, but might as well keep him now as the FAW will probably do. The Red wall needs to get behind the side, but we’re a fickle nation Are we a fickle nation? I think we're quite easy going to be honest. We have a moan from time to time but it takes a lot to get us really going. Look at the stick Southgate gets. He averages semifinals each tournament. Were quite a long way away from ‘Together Stronger’ |
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Post by wft on Jun 8, 2024 11:56:20 GMT
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Post by quetzal on Jun 8, 2024 14:21:01 GMT
If we do go for a new manager it’s a shortlist of two. Osian or Bellamy. The bookies will have Thierry Henry, Vierra because they did their coaching badges in Newport with the FAW. They also might throw in names like Cameron Toshack, Chris Coleman as a novelty.
But seriously it would be Osian or Bellamy. I’m not sure either would get us to a World Cup. Desperate times without Bale.
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Post by jimexotic on Jun 8, 2024 14:54:04 GMT
There are plenty of managers out there that could get us through every qualifying and in doing so gradually make it easier for us. Finding and attracting those managers is the problem, we've got more than enough to be able to be consistently competitive at international level.
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Post by rushy on Jun 8, 2024 15:02:49 GMT
Are we a fickle nation? I think we're quite easy going to be honest. We have a moan from time to time but it takes a lot to get us really going. Look at the stick Southgate gets. He averages semifinals each tournament. Were quite a long way away from ‘Together Stronger’ Once the doubt sets in......... |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 8, 2024 16:30:46 GMT
If we do go for a new manager it’s a shortlist of two. Osian or Bellamy. The bookies will have Thierry Henry, Vierra because they did their coaching badges in Newport with the FAW. They also might throw in names like Cameron Toshack, Chris Coleman as a novelty. But seriously it would be Osian or Bellamy. I’m not sure either would get us to a World Cup. Desperate times without Bale. We've missed the boat on Bellamy. Burnley will have him now, and it's very likely his stock will be too high for us from now on |
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Post by iantov on Jun 9, 2024 4:22:12 GMT
If we do go for a new manager it’s a shortlist of two. Osian or Bellamy. The bookies will have Thierry Henry, Vierra because they did their coaching badges in Newport with the FAW. They also might throw in names like Cameron Toshack, Chris Coleman as a novelty. But seriously it would be Osian or Bellamy. I’m not sure either would get us to a World Cup. Desperate times without Bale. We've missed the boat on Bellamy. Burnley will have him now, and it's very likely his stock will be too high for us from now on Still an element of doubt about his full time appointment in my opinion if Burnley only offered him the role of Acting Head Coach. Seems to me like they are searching for a high profile Manager and if they don't find anyone then the role becomes Craig's by default. I am quite surpirised that Bellamy is accepting of this situation TBH. Anyway, RP isn't going anywhere soon so ultimately, you are correct, if it's not Burnley, it will be somewhere other than Wales. |
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Post by aberbeeg on Jun 9, 2024 7:14:25 GMT
Page has a win ratio of 27.7% needless to say that record is very poor.
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Post by rush on Jun 9, 2024 8:57:34 GMT
I never understood Page when he gave himself a bit more time after the Croatia game that he did not bring in a better number 2. The yes men sitting on the bench never offer anything. The Eric Ramsay exit should have been a massive search for a coach who could offer advice and tactics to change a game when needed but he went for Gunter who in Pages own words was “because he is a good laugh in the changing room and one of the boys”! Tony Roberts main job looks like it is to greet the players on arrival for the meet up video for FAW TV, Knill looks like he is waiting for a bus because he never moves or speaks to Page during a game! I understand they have had great careers but Page has surrounded himself with a team that have nothing to offer when the team needs a change and he must take responsibility for that. Page was a number 2 who through no fault of his own was suddenly in charge of Wales and did the best of his abilities but it’s glaringly obvious that he is out of his depth now. I wouldn’t have a problem with him staying in the Wales camp as a coach and would do a brilliant job to a leader who could guide the team forward and back to qualifying for major tournaments.
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Post by hooky on Jun 9, 2024 9:23:33 GMT
I made my thoughts clear on this on another thread. A good manager recruits staff that mitigate your weaknesses / augment your strength and are able to offer challenge. Page did the opposite as he was not confident enough to embrace outsiders that understood football far better than him, especially the tactically side, and he instead went with friendly faces.
If Page is sacked - the cost is not just him in terms of his remaining contract but the rest of them. I hope we do not keep on backroom staff that are not good enough when Page is eventually asked to leave the stage, just because of the economics of it.
Giving Gunter work experience on the job - I just despair. Who knows - a different replacement may have added something somewhere which could have got us over the line against Poland or prepared us better for the Armenian debacle!
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Post by dai on Jun 9, 2024 9:44:18 GMT
I never understood Page when he gave himself a bit more time after the Croatia game that he did not bring in a better number 2. The yes men sitting on the bench never offer anything. The Eric Ramsay exit should have been a massive search for a coach who could offer advice and tactics to change a game when needed but he went for Gunter who in Pages own words was “because he is a good laugh in the changing room and one of the boys”! Tony Roberts main job looks like it is to greet the players on arrival for the meet up video for FAW TV, Knill looks like he is waiting for a bus because he never moves or speaks to Page during a game! I understand they have had great careers but Page has surrounded himself with a team that have nothing to offer when the team needs a change and he must take responsibility for that. Page was a number 2 who through no fault of his own was suddenly in charge of Wales and did the best of his abilities but it’s glaringly obvious that he is out of his depth now. I wouldn’t have a problem with him staying in the Wales camp as a coach and would do a brilliant job to a leader who could guide the team forward and back to qualifying for major tournaments. Yep. The Gunter appointment in particular I find completely nuts. Yes, a terrific stalwart as a player and a fantastic guy, but he's not a bloody coach or manager. Ireland tried it with O'Neill and Keane (who is 50x the player Gunter was) and that didn't work out. It's just jobs for the boys. |
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Post by surge on Jun 9, 2024 11:06:37 GMT
I think this line of conversation should always come with a paragraph on what should have happened given the options/contraints of the time, the pros and cons of doing it differently and why ultimately it would give better chance of success.
Anyway, what time is the tennis on?
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Post by iot on Jun 9, 2024 14:31:12 GMT
I never understood Page when he gave himself a bit more time after the Croatia game that he did not bring in a better number 2. The yes men sitting on the bench never offer anything. The Eric Ramsay exit should have been a massive search for a coach who could offer advice and tactics to change a game when needed but he went for Gunter who in Pages own words was “because he is a good laugh in the changing room and one of the boys”! Tony Roberts main job looks like it is to greet the players on arrival for the meet up video for FAW TV, Knill looks like he is waiting for a bus because he never moves or speaks to Page during a game! I understand they have had great careers but Page has surrounded himself with a team that have nothing to offer when the team needs a change and he must take responsibility for that. Page was a number 2 who through no fault of his own was suddenly in charge of Wales and did the best of his abilities but it’s glaringly obvious that he is out of his depth now. I wouldn’t have a problem with him staying in the Wales camp as a coach and would do a brilliant job to a leader who could guide the team forward and back to qualifying for major tournaments. You may have a fair point, but your post is littered with assumptions and misinformation. Gunter didn't come in as a replacement for anyone, but as an additional staff member - for his benefit (to learn the ropes) and ours (I can't imagine they're paying him much, it's probably about the experience for him). It's not like they were headhunting for another coach and Gunter came out on top. I have no idea why you would imply he's Page's no. 2 either. I was excited by Eric Ramsay's appointment, but let's not forget he was involved for the poorest spell of form we've had for years in those 4 games of the campaign, and he left immediately afterwards which then saw a massive improvement in form. Tony Roberts is a highly-respected Goalkeeper Coach who also doubles up as AC Milan's Goalkeeper coach having previously worked in the Prem for years, so that criticism is a little odd. None of that is to say that Page is the best man in the job btw, but a lot of people are just constantly twisting the facts because they want him gone. |
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Post by iot on Jun 9, 2024 17:40:44 GMT
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Post by aberbeeg on Jun 9, 2024 17:43:59 GMT
The fact our fan base is now completely splintered to a huge degree speaks volumes for Page and his incompetence plus the FAW lack of leadership
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Post by conwy10 on Jun 9, 2024 17:50:36 GMT
Are we a fickle nation? I think we're quite easy going to be honest. We have a moan from time to time but it takes a lot to get us really going. Look at the stick Southgate gets. He averages semifinals each tournament. Were quite a long way away from ‘Together Stronger’ We are, but we can't just support them for the sake of it either. We can have opinions, when we find out the majority of us share the same opinions is that wrong to voice them? Name any manager on the planet, he will face some sort of scrutiny. |
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Post by dai on Jun 9, 2024 18:16:43 GMT
Hard to argue with facts. We lost against Poland though, so shouldn't that be 8? Half of those games have been incredibly dire to watch though. |
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Post by morg on Jun 9, 2024 18:18:46 GMT
Hard to argue with facts. We lost against Poland though, so shouldn't that be 8? Half of those games have been incredibly dire to watch though. Penalty competitions don't count. That was a nil nil draw |
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Post by iot on Jun 9, 2024 18:22:29 GMT
Hard to argue with facts. We lost against Poland though, so shouldn't that be 8? Half of those games have been incredibly dire to watch though. These things are always based on what happens within the 90mins, so according to FIFA’s record we drew that game. Quite a few of the games have been tough to watch and the performances poor, but there have been some excellent and entertaining performances too (Croatia, Finland, and Turkey for example). The run has included a couple of minnows, but also a couple of very good sides, so I think it’s reasonably comparable to runs in the past (such as the one under Hughes). |
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Post by conwy10 on Jun 9, 2024 18:28:24 GMT
I never understood Page when he gave himself a bit more time after the Croatia game that he did not bring in a better number 2. The yes men sitting on the bench never offer anything. The Eric Ramsay exit should have been a massive search for a coach who could offer advice and tactics to change a game when needed but he went for Gunter who in Pages own words was “because he is a good laugh in the changing room and one of the boys”! Tony Roberts main job looks like it is to greet the players on arrival for the meet up video for FAW TV, Knill looks like he is waiting for a bus because he never moves or speaks to Page during a game! I understand they have had great careers but Page has surrounded himself with a team that have nothing to offer when the team needs a change and he must take responsibility for that. Page was a number 2 who through no fault of his own was suddenly in charge of Wales and did the best of his abilities but it’s glaringly obvious that he is out of his depth now. I wouldn’t have a problem with him staying in the Wales camp as a coach and would do a brilliant job to a leader who could guide the team forward and back to qualifying for major tournaments. You may have a fair point, but your post is littered with assumptions and misinformation. Gunter didn't come in as a replacement for anyone, but as an additional staff member - for his benefit (to learn the ropes) and ours (I can't imagine they're paying him much, it's probably about the experience for him). It's not like they were headhunting for another coach and Gunter came out on top. I have no idea why you would imply he's Page's no. 2 either. I was excited by Eric Ramsay's appointment, but let's not forget he was involved for the poorest spell of form we've had for years in those 4 games of the campaign, and he left immediately afterwards which then saw a massive improvement in form. Tony Roberts is a highly-respected Goalkeeper Coach who also doubles up as AC Milan's Goalkeeper coach having previously worked in the Prem for years, so that criticism is a little odd. None of that is to say that Page is the best man in the job btw, but a lot of people are just constantly twisting the facts because they want him gone. To be fair to Ramsay, we dont know how much freedom he had in the role, but the benefit of a coach takes a long time to come in. If its a manager they have a little more impact, but a coach has to respect what Page wants, how he wants to manage, the atmosphere and conditions Page is putting on the team. He can't just come in, tell James to stand at a different body angle and turn him in to a world beater. Same way he can't come in and say we're playing a different formation. He can pitch ideas to Page but if he doesn't listen he needs to go out there and deliver whatever Page has told him to. |
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Post by jimmytaff on Jun 9, 2024 19:39:50 GMT
Were quite a long way away from ‘Together Stronger’ We are, but we can't just support them for the sake of it either. We can have opinions, when we find out the majority of us share the same opinions is that wrong to voice them? Name any manager on the planet, he will face some sort of scrutiny. Whilst there was justified booing of that result and calls for Page Out the crowd was very restrained in my opinion and supporting the team throughout against Gibraltar even though the performance was very poor. There are more annoyed fans than there used to be but I don't think it's a splintered fanbase. To me the main message of Together Stronger was putting club stuff aside for Wales games and except for the occasional wanker that's not an issue from what I've seen. |
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Post by garynysmon on Jun 9, 2024 20:01:41 GMT
There are more annoyed fans than there used to be but I don't think it's a splintered fanbase. To me the main message of Together Stronger was putting club stuff aside for Wales games and except for the occasional wanker that's not an issue from what I've seen. A happy clappy fanbase where everyone is meant to pretend all is fine and dandy and we're all just happy to travel and watch games and lose is of no help to anyone though. I sometimes think some want to use 'Together Stronger' as a vehicle to try and shut down any dissent. |
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Post by underwood on Jun 9, 2024 20:03:53 GMT
Ryan Giggs please.
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Post by imissruabonalready on Jun 9, 2024 20:04:38 GMT
It's time to go!
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