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Post by aberbeeg on Jun 7, 2024 4:47:18 GMT
This was against a team 203rd in the world and had lost their last 13 matches by 50 goals against and none scored. This wasn’t Croatia Hungary or Bulgaria. Every press report mentions the word embarrassing!! And we pumped them when we played them in Wrexham so we know we can do it. It's not as if this performance proves we're as bad as them or something Honestly do you think we wouldn't have beaten them if this game mattered? This was essentially a training match. It's still poor don't get me wrong, not defending the performance. But I'm honestly not that embarrassed, I'm surprised so many are taking it to heart I completely disagree and even the Welsh press have laid into Page and his limited tactics. At this point in his tenure I don’t think Page can afford these kind of shocking/embarrassing results. His fan club is shrinking game by game and the away fans turned on him last night by calling for his head. Generally once that starts the manager becomes a dead man walking. |
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Post by aberbeeg on Jun 7, 2024 5:10:28 GMT
RP - right lads just go out and have a go at them
Player - but boss you’ve not told us how you want us to play?
RP - just go out and play
Player - any tactics boss ?
RP - tactics? What’s those ?
Player - haha nice one boos you almost had us fooled there
RP - just hit the back post from corners
HALF TIME
Player - boss those corners ain’t working
RP - hmm just keep doing the same
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Post by jbt95 on Jun 7, 2024 5:35:41 GMT
The FAW made a massive mistake giving him a four year deal.
We should only ever be given out rolling campaign by campaign contracts.
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Post by njdragon on Jun 7, 2024 5:38:33 GMT
All this about page and hardly any mention of how dog shit the majority of players were.
Savage
Koumas
Da silva
The only players to come out of this.. that did OK
That 11 should have been good enough to win that managerless.
Interesting there’s no player posts just a typical “page out” mob mentality
As embarrassing the result is it’s almost as embarrassing as our fans reaction
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Post by surge on Jun 7, 2024 5:51:30 GMT
The fact is that we've looked bad in these pre-tournament friendlies before, including pre-2016, and no one has cared too much because they're seen as warm-ups for tournament itself.
There are people who don't like Page and this is yet more evidence but they can't remember who we played before other tournaments.
This is all just on top of not qualifying, key players being injured and generally negative vibes at the moment. But we have to find a way to pull through and put it into context - had that midfield/forward 6 ever played together before yesterday? Are they so good that they can come out with it on the fly? (And yeah, who is best to bring them together for real crack at winning the important games?).
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Post by jbt95 on Jun 7, 2024 5:57:56 GMT
All this about page and hardly any mention of how dog shit the majority of players were. Savage Koumas Da silva The only players to come out of this.. that did OK That 11 should have been good enough to win that managerless. Interesting there’s no player posts just a typical “page out” mob mentality As embarrassing the result is it’s almost as embarrassing as our fans reaction I don’t know how much can be read into the players performances when the starting XI had 44 caps between them and just one goal. Majority of the players haven’t played in over a month either. |
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Post by njdragon on Jun 7, 2024 6:02:35 GMT
All this about page and hardly any mention of how dog shit the majority of players were. Savage Koumas Da silva The only players to come out of this.. that did OK That 11 should have been good enough to win that managerless. Interesting there’s no player posts just a typical “page out” mob mentality As embarrassing the result is it’s almost as embarrassing as our fans reaction I don’t know how much can be read into the players performances when the starting XI had 44 caps between them and just one goal. Majority of the players haven’t played in over a month either. Colwill? Lots been calling out for him. I thought he was awful last night. Cullen not up to it. I think that game really highlights how lacking in depth we are. |
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Post by talyfan on Jun 7, 2024 6:14:12 GMT
I don’t know how much can be read into the players performances when the starting XI had 44 caps between them and just one goal. Majority of the players haven’t played in over a month either. Colwill? Lots been calling out for him. I thought he was awful last night. Cullen not up to it. I think that game really highlights how lacking in depth we are. I don't know what Cullen is. Not a striker but not a winger either. We were crying out for a more instinctive attacker yesterday. Not one of those attackers that started took the game by the scruff of the neck. Matondo being direct but sloppy in the final moment either just running directly into them or not putting his laces through it to test the keeper. Colwill never been sold on. Sure he has glimpses but way too few and far between. Think he should just focus on being consistent at Cardiff. I'd say for Page now he needs to be ruthless. Lot of those lads who are the fringes aren't kids anymore they've got plenty of footy under their belt both domestically and internationally. Had their audition. I'd be far less inclined to call up then again unless their club form is beyond their current levels. |
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Post by talyfan on Jun 7, 2024 6:56:38 GMT
would like to see the same back 4 and midfield 2. As they're closest to the starting XI. Get better tested too with Slovakia attacking more
If JJ and Ampadu got injured we'd have Savage and Sheehan playing. Likewise Mepham and Rodon we'd have the likes of Cabango playing.
Enough of a buffer with talent in attack, that thankfully we won't have to rely on them unless some act of God gets the squad.
Davies
Stevens Low Cabango DaSilva
Sheehan Savage
James Brennan Broadhead
Moore
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 7, 2024 8:47:21 GMT
All this about page and hardly any mention of how dog shit the majority of players were. Savage Koumas Da silva The only players to come out of this.. that did OK That 11 should have been good enough to win that managerless. Interesting there’s no player posts just a typical “page out” mob mentality As embarrassing the result is it’s almost as embarrassing as our fans reaction This is what I find annoying. The performance and result were very poor yesterday, but it wasn't that Gibraltar were tactically superior to us. Our forwards were all poor, including the 1st teamers when they came on. The players deserve to be called out for that more than the managers in my opinion Players who made the case for further involvement: Dasilva (motm), Low, Koumas A very small pool but it was nice having a left-footed LB for once. Should have come on against Poland IMO. Koumas we need to see more of against Slovakia I think Players who set themselves back: Burns - He is not a Premier League winger. I'd only ever use him as a RWB personally. I think he can do a decent job of getting down the line and whipping a cross in. But he doesn't have the guile to be an international forward Matondo - Time is on his side as he's still only 23. But his end product hasn't improved at all in the last 5 years. I'd rather have seen Koumas start to be honest Colwill - The onus was on him to create in the middle. It's tricky when you are surrounded and he wasn't helped by the others straying offside, but didn't do enough Cullen - I've seen him play, and I've seen Mullin play. I think Mullin is the better player to be honest. Mullin would have carved out more yesterday IMO. I know plenty will disagree with me on that but it's just my view My thoughts on some of the other players: Stevens - looked nervy, but I think he ought to be given more chances. Wasn't completely awful, but clearly lacking a relationship with others on the pitch Sheehan/Savage - It's not as if we struggled to get up the pitch, so I didn't think they were as bad as others. Yes they could have zipped it around faster, but here's the reality...if 2 of JJ/Morrell/Ampadu are missing then we need one of these to step up. So I think we should persist with trying to give them caps/experience until a better option shows up. Crew clearly isn't ready just yet. I want to see both start the next game too, but I suspect it will be Sheehan-JJ |
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Post by fiveattheback on Jun 7, 2024 8:49:42 GMT
All this about page and hardly any mention of how dog shit the majority of players were. Savage Koumas Da silva The only players to come out of this.. that did OK That 11 should have been good enough to win that managerless. Interesting there’s no player posts just a typical “page out” mob mentality As embarrassing the result is it’s almost as embarrassing as our fans reaction There are plenty criticising the players |
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Post by njdragon on Jun 7, 2024 8:54:26 GMT
All this about page and hardly any mention of how dog shit the majority of players were. Savage Koumas Da silva The only players to come out of this.. that did OK That 11 should have been good enough to win that managerless. Interesting there’s no player posts just a typical “page out” mob mentality As embarrassing the result is it’s almost as embarrassing as our fans reaction There are plenty criticising the players Good just interesting to note no player threads have been dragged up unlike the manager one |
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Post by fiveattheback on Jun 7, 2024 8:59:46 GMT
There are plenty criticising the players Good just interesting to note no player threads have been dragged up unlike the manager one Does it matter where the criticism is? This tehnically isn't a match thread so does that mean we haven't talked about the game? Most of the posting in that thread is people shooting down the claim he's on 1m a yeat. I know you like Page but are you really surprised that people are questioning the manager after a draw with Gibraltar? |
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Post by morg on Jun 7, 2024 9:41:50 GMT
Never been a fan of throwing a lot of inexperience together at one time. Last time we played them, we started with Danny Ward, Ben Davies, Jordan James, Nathan Broadhead, Neco and Kieffer. Scotland's virtual first choice beat them 2-0 earlier in the week and were scoreless for nearly an hour. You need greater international experience in key areas to have any structure. Wasted opportunity. Just glad we didn't lose.
Some dodgy logic questions playing on my mind... Would Wrexham have beaten Gibraltar?
Is Mullin a starter for Wrexham?
Just saying ...
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Post by vvm on Jun 7, 2024 9:54:45 GMT
Never been a fan of throwing a lot of inexperience together at one time. Last time we played them, we started with Danny Ward, Ben Davies, Jordan James, Nathan Broadhead, Neco and Kieffer. Scotland's virtual first choice beat them 2-0 earlier in the week and were scoreless for nearly an hour. You need greater international experience in key areas to have any structure. Wasted opportunity. Just glad we didn't lose. Some dodgy logic questions playing on my mind... Would Wrexham have beaten Gibraltar? Is Mullin a starter for Wrexham? Just saying ... I agree, easy to say with hindsight but we should have started a couple of the more senior players with the view of swapping them out as the game went on. Not only had that team never played together, some of them probably barely knew each other. A few senior heads would have set the pace and given the new lads the platform to show what they could do. |
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Post by njdragon on Jun 7, 2024 9:55:30 GMT
Good just interesting to note no player threads have been dragged up unlike the manager one Does it matter where the criticism is? This tehnically isn't a match thread so does that mean we haven't talked about the game? Most of the posting in that thread is people shooting down the claim he's on 1m a yeat. I know you like Page but are you really surprised that people are questioning the manager after a draw with Gibraltar? im not not questioning the manager im trying to take it for what it was - a game where our C players ae given a chance to shine. Im baffled as why so much focus on page and not the poor depth we have. All i can think is these people have been calling for a long time pages selections because he hasn't been giving these players a chance, now he has and page has been proved right to an extent. Most did nothing to deserve to play again. They are experienced players they alone should be beating the likes of this team but half the team looked like they couldn't be bothered and had already won the match. Disappointed in Cullen, burns, colwill. It really highlights for me we are desperately lacking players outside that top 11 |
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Post by barneycat1 on Jun 7, 2024 10:00:43 GMT
6 or 7 experienced players should have started, with a few youngsters.
Absolute madness from Page.
He needs to go. He will ruin us if he stays.
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Post by njdragon on Jun 7, 2024 10:06:53 GMT
6 or 7 experienced players should have started, with a few youngsters. Absolute madness from Page. He needs to go. He will ruin us if he stays. with the benefit of hindsight |
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Post by talyfan on Jun 7, 2024 10:14:16 GMT
That 11 on paper should be more than capable.
Trouble is a lot of those lads we've known Cullen, Colwill, Matondo not up to it yet or won't be.
Bring in youngsters like Koumas, Crew, Stevens etc, mixed with with the standard regulars we have. Then if the squad needs padding out call up older Championship regulars like Bradshaw, Fox, Sorba, Hedges, Hughes and Vaulks until younger lads can step up and be dependable
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 7, 2024 10:26:05 GMT
Ward
Cabango-Low-Mepham
Stevens-JJ-Sheehan-Dasilva
Colwill-Broadhead
Brennan
Think our attacking play will improve when we return to a back 5. Want to see Sheehan, Low, Stevens, Dasilva & Colwill against better opposition
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 7, 2024 10:28:35 GMT
Does it matter where the criticism is? This tehnically isn't a match thread so does that mean we haven't talked about the game? Most of the posting in that thread is people shooting down the claim he's on 1m a yeat. I know you like Page but are you really surprised that people are questioning the manager after a draw with Gibraltar? im not not questioning the manager im trying to take it for what it was - a game where our C players ae given a chance to shine. Im baffled as why so much focus on page and not the poor depth we have. All i can think is these people have been calling for a long time pages selections because he hasn't been giving these players a chance, now he has and page has been proved right to an extent. Most did nothing to deserve to play again. They are experienced players they alone should be beating the likes of this team but half the team looked like they couldn't be bothered and had already won the match. Disappointed in Cullen, burns, colwill. It really highlights for me we are desperately lacking players outside that top 11 100% agree with this. It also shows the "we should be qualifying for every tournament" crowd that we're not as good as they hype us up to be. We have no divine right to qualify with this group of players in my opinion, that's just honesty about where our player pool is at |
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Post by reyrey on Jun 7, 2024 10:41:57 GMT
No hindsight from me.
I said before the game there was no need to start that team.
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Post by superunknown on Jun 7, 2024 10:51:35 GMT
The FAW made a massive mistake giving him a four year deal. We should only ever be given out rolling campaign by campaign contracts. Complete amateur isn’t it. Even Phil Parkinson at Wrexham is only on a rolling 1 year contract as the people in charge are professionals and know how quickly things can change in football, even with all the credit Parky has in the bank, which hopefully continues but there may come a point where we need to part ways. A 4 year contract in international football is absolute madness. |
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Post by aberbeeg on Jun 7, 2024 11:06:09 GMT
All this about page and hardly any mention of how dog shit the majority of players were. Savage Koumas Da silva The only players to come out of this.. that did OK That 11 should have been good enough to win that managerless. Interesting there’s no player posts just a typical “page out” mob mentality As embarrassing the result is it’s almost as embarrassing as our fans reaction You mean the players that page picked ? Oh and those tactics that page chose? |
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Post by conwy10 on Jun 7, 2024 11:23:14 GMT
The FAW made a massive mistake giving him a four year deal. We should only ever be given out rolling campaign by campaign contracts. Complete amateur isn’t it. Even Phil Parkinson at Wrexham is only on a rolling 1 year contract as the people in charge are professionals and know how quickly things can change in football, even with all the credit Parky has in the bank, which hopefully continues but there may come a point where we need to part ways. A 4 year contract in international football is absolute madness. Was the last time we had a manager taken off us Mark Hughes? Can't remember if Coleman left us for Sunderland or whether he was out of work when it came up. Probably could gamble that no one will want our manager in future though. |
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Post by njdragon on Jun 7, 2024 11:25:47 GMT
All this about page and hardly any mention of how dog shit the majority of players were. Savage Koumas Da silva The only players to come out of this.. that did OK That 11 should have been good enough to win that managerless. Interesting there’s no player posts just a typical “page out” mob mentality As embarrassing the result is it’s almost as embarrassing as our fans reaction You mean the players that page picked ? Oh and those tactics that page chose? So the players take no responsibility? That side should have won that match managerless He had to give them a chance, they didnt take it. |
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Post by conwy10 on Jun 7, 2024 11:35:21 GMT
Does it matter where the criticism is? This tehnically isn't a match thread so does that mean we haven't talked about the game? Most of the posting in that thread is people shooting down the claim he's on 1m a yeat. I know you like Page but are you really surprised that people are questioning the manager after a draw with Gibraltar? im not not questioning the manager im trying to take it for what it was - a game where our C players ae given a chance to shine. Im baffled as why so much focus on page and not the poor depth we have. All i can think is these people have been calling for a long time pages selections because he hasn't been giving these players a chance, now he has and page has been proved right to an extent. Most did nothing to deserve to play again. They are experienced players they alone should be beating the likes of this team but half the team looked like they couldn't be bothered and had already won the match. Disappointed in Cullen, burns, colwill. It really highlights for me we are desperately lacking players outside that top 11 In that case could there be an argument to drip feed these players in than flooding them into one match? I feel Burns gets unjust rating from people. He beat his man, got crosses in, problem was he had Cullen and Matondo to hit. Have Moore and Wilson in there it's a different story. In the middle having Savage in there with others who have no international experience. Have Ampadu, Roberts, Williams alongside him and it completely changes it. It was like throwing a load of trialists together and judging they won't be good enough because they aren't doing what the first team does. Put some first team players around them and let's see. It was a game for the C players until he realised Gibraltar wouldn't role over and sent on our starting forward line. If he had kept it as it was fair enough but he changed things to try to win the game. |
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Post by dingodan on Jun 7, 2024 11:47:26 GMT
Anyone seen the film Next Goal Wins (an enjoyable watch!) about hopeless football team American Samoa? Gibraltar are actually ranked below them and we could only draw...
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Post by njdragon on Jun 7, 2024 11:56:14 GMT
im not not questioning the manager im trying to take it for what it was - a game where our C players ae given a chance to shine. Im baffled as why so much focus on page and not the poor depth we have. All i can think is these people have been calling for a long time pages selections because he hasn't been giving these players a chance, now he has and page has been proved right to an extent. Most did nothing to deserve to play again. They are experienced players they alone should be beating the likes of this team but half the team looked like they couldn't be bothered and had already won the match. Disappointed in Cullen, burns, colwill. It really highlights for me we are desperately lacking players outside that top 11 In that case could there be an argument to drip feed these players in than flooding them into one match? I feel Burns gets unjust rating from people. He beat his man, got crosses in, problem was he had Cullen and Matondo to hit. Have Moore and Wilson in there it's a different story. In the middle having Savage in there with others who have no international experience. Have Ampadu, Roberts, Williams alongside him and it completely changes it. It was like throwing a load of trialists together and judging they won't be good enough because they aren't doing what the first team does. Put some first team players around them and let's see. It was a game for the C players until he realised Gibraltar wouldn't role over and sent on our starting forward line. If he had kept it as it was fair enough but he changed things to try to win the game. we dont do constructive criticism here!! yeh fair enough, i do think that starting 11 should have been good enough against the likes of 'plumbers and electricians' or 'a country the size of port talbot' not my insults just plucked off twitter etc |
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Post by jbt95 on Jun 7, 2024 12:18:43 GMT
The FAW made a massive mistake giving him a four year deal. We should only ever be given out rolling campaign by campaign contracts. Complete amateur isn’t it. Even Phil Parkinson at Wrexham is only on a rolling 1 year contract as the people in charge are professionals and know how quickly things can change in football, even with all the credit Parky has in the bank, which hopefully continues but there may come a point where we need to part ways. A 4 year contract in international football is absolute madness. I feel they took qualifying for the Euros for granted. I remember Mooney going on about it in the Riverside in Newport just after the March window last year like we were definitely going to be there. I don’t mind Mooney but I feel that probably rubbed off on the players and coaching staff, and probably why it went pear shaped in June. |
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