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Post by vaulksthrowfanclub on Jun 9, 2024 8:45:31 GMT
I always want us to win I would love Wales to go on a long winning streak but Page is clearly falling short so it seems highly unlikely A big criticism of Page for me is you may not be talented but then you bring in quality into the coaching group to mitigate your weaknesses - someone with new ideas / tactical awareness Giggs kept on the Continental staff and brought another in didn't he? We saw said staff exit early into Page's reign then we saw his ex friends from Sheffield Utd brought in and most recently Gunter. That last decision in particular demonstrated that Page really is in the dark ages - defensive, far from open minded and in no way strategically minded. He is also in no way a good manager - a good manager assembles the best team from a wide talent pool. Its really sad actually. Maybe he has a mate at Port Vale he is waiting to bring on board at the right time! Such stupid decisions reflect in my view insecurity and a need to be surrounded by support and friends rather than people who will call things out! It is not good enough to be a cheerleader and mates as a squad as everything gets negative when you underperform, fail to win games and when the players start blaming the quality of coaching compared to what they get at their clubs. Its like a fan managing Wales - yes we would fail as well! Giggs seems to be a bad person in certain respects but seemed comfortable in his own skin and seemed to be comfortable with a diverse backup staff. He was even happy to continue with Osian by his side but Osian did the right thing as he was clearly upset not getting the top job but did the right thing and move on to a new opportunity rather than sit there no doubt with a bit of resentment. He may fail but as I have said someone like Osian would be a worthy replacement for Page. Giggs would be too as he would clearly be an upgrade, but not many of us of course would want him back now given his baggage Bang on. I get Alan Knill, but huge red flag when Jack Lester was appointed. Surrounding himself with those he’s comfortable with and unlikely to challenge him will only lead to a dearth of ideas. |
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Post by hooky on Jun 9, 2024 9:33:16 GMT
My priority is Wales but I am sad how it is going for Page as if this continues you will have some fans start to dislike our manager and others that will openly ridicule him. Even the media are now asking questions (the female pundits who are ex-players, to their credit, are far more vocal about this). He has overseen a successful period of sorts and while it was in reality driven by the likes of Bale I do hope that it does not end in a bitter way for him where he hangs on and everyone is against him and do what I do, which is just skip any clips where he speaks as I don't value anything he says anymore. He does care but has made horrific mistakes (including with his choice of staff) and as things stand he is just not good enough. If this ends in a bitter way then it could effect him for many years in a negative way because he does care - I really don't want that as he is a nice guy and passionate Welshman!
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Post by hooky on Jun 9, 2024 9:34:43 GMT
Anyway - I still want a miracle - so COME ON WALES. Give us (and Page and the players) something to smile about!
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 9, 2024 11:02:51 GMT
No Mepham or Ben Davies tomorrow, confirmed by Page. So looks like Ampadu will have to play CB (I can't see Baker starting) Ward Cabango-Low-Ampadu Stevens-JJ-Sheehan-Dasilva Colwill-Broadhead Brennan Think that's what I'd go with. See if we can get better performances out of Stevens, Sheehan & Colwill with some better players around them. Another opportunity to see if Dasilva & Low can build on positive performances on Thursday against better opposition If we're starting Colwill would rather give the minutes to Koumas Would love to see Koumas start but feel it's very unlikely. He'll probs be given the last 30 mins after his positive cameo the other day |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 9, 2024 11:03:57 GMT
I never thought I had it in me to want us to get smashed,but I hope Slovakia smash us, only for one obvious outcome If you want Wales to lose then you might as well piss off from this forum please |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 9, 2024 11:08:42 GMT
We had an average age of around 25 in the last campaign so all this talk of “transition” is a smokescreen to save face and save his arse. The transition is away from having world class players at our disposal. No Bale, Ramsey or Allen now - remember when people thought it was impossible for us to win a game of football without those 3? Yes we have a squad that's got plenty of caps/experience now, but not enough of them have come into their own just yet Last season I think we saw Wilson start to hit his peak, but I think the best is yet to come for Rodon, Mepham, Ampadu, Neco, JJ, Brennan, Brooks and a few others So yes I think it's a transition, not an overhaul where we are blooding uncapped youngsters all the time, but a transition in terms of the responsibility shifting from Hennessey, Allen, Ramsey & Bale towards the players mentioned above |
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Post by fiveattheback on Jun 9, 2024 14:28:35 GMT
I'd like to see Low play again, hopefully tested more
Really if it's all about squad development there should be minimal changes from the Gibralrtar game when it comes to personnel. Give the fringe players a chance to prove they aren't as poor as they appeared on Thursday. Bring in 1 or 2 of the firsts but if we really want a look at, say, Colwill and Cullen, they should start again
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Post by dai on Jun 9, 2024 15:18:23 GMT
We had an average age of around 25 in the last campaign so all this talk of “transition” is a smokescreen to save face and save his arse. Yes we have a squad that's got plenty of caps/experience now, but not enough of them have come into their own just yet Last season I think we saw Wilson start to hit his peak, but I think the best is yet to come for Rodon, Mepham, Ampadu, Neco, JJ, Brennan, Brooks and a few others So yes I think it's a transition, not an overhaul where we are blooding uncapped youngsters all the time, but a transition in terms of the responsibility shifting from Hennessey, Allen, Ramsey & Bale towards the players mentioned above I would say we've been transitioning without them on and off for around 3/4 years though. Ramsey has only played a handful of games over the last few years, and Allen even less. It's not like all three retired overnight while playing 90mins every game. What Toshack did was putting a team/squad through a transitioning period, Page is just using it as an excuse to cover himself. |
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Post by hooky on Jun 9, 2024 15:18:47 GMT
I'd like to see Low play again, hopefully tested more Really if it's all about squad development there should be minimal changes from the Gibralrtar game when it comes to personnel. Give the fringe players a chance to prove they aren't as poor as they appeared on Thursday. Bring in 1 or 2 of the firsts but if we really want a look at, say, Colwill and Cullen, they should start again I disagree I have seen more than enough of the likes of Cullen, Sheehan and Savage. They are nowhere near and never will be. Savage is young so maybe he can be a bit more useful in the future, but there is nothing convincing in what I have seen so far. I have strong assumptions on players based on what I have seen of them previously and what I saw on Tuesday was even worse. Koumas by contrast is someone I am actively excited to see more of! Jay da Silva was not brilliant but he was decent enough to be given another go, especially given we don't have another option there. Not sure what you do with Crew. He was awful for the 10mins + he was on the pitch but he is very young. If it was down to nerves only then I may be tempted to give him another run of 10-20 mins at the end |
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Post by fiveattheback on Jun 9, 2024 16:11:51 GMT
I'd like to see Low play again, hopefully tested more Really if it's all about squad development there should be minimal changes from the Gibralrtar game when it comes to personnel. Give the fringe players a chance to prove they aren't as poor as they appeared on Thursday. Bring in 1 or 2 of the firsts but if we really want a look at, say, Colwill and Cullen, they should start again I disagree I have seen more than enough of the likes of Cullen, Sheehan and Savage. They are nowhere near and never will be. Savage is young so maybe he can be a bit more useful in the future, but there is nothing convincing in what I have seen so far. I have strong assumptions on players based on what I have seen of them previously and what I saw on Tuesday was even worse. Koumas by contrast is someone I am actively excited to see more of! Jay da Silva was not brilliant but he was decent enough to be given another go, especially given we don't have another option there. Not sure what you do with Crew. He was awful for the 10mins + he was on the pitch but he is very young. If it was down to nerves only then I may be tempted to give him another run of 10-20 mins at the end If we're going to keep including Cullen in squads then we need to give him international experience. I personally wouldn't pick him but I think its clear Page rates him so he needs some caps more than Kieffer does. Same with Savage. I agree with Sheehan, I don't really get why we're selecting a 29 year old League 1 player, it's not like with Savage where there is room for growth. Dasilva as one of our few left back options needs caps, hopefully if he gets experience then Page won't shove Dan James in at full back ever again Harsh on Crew, very difficult situation for him to come into as a midfielder. Nobody was showing for the ball at all. If he plays the first team later then it completely goes against the claim that this is about squad development |
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Post by welshwhite on Jun 9, 2024 17:34:24 GMT
I'd like to see Low play again, hopefully tested more Really if it's all about squad development there should be minimal changes from the Gibralrtar game when it comes to personnel. Give the fringe players a chance to prove they aren't as poor as they appeared on Thursday. Bring in 1 or 2 of the firsts but if we really want a look at, say, Colwill and Cullen, they should start again I disagree I have seen more than enough of the likes of Cullen, Sheehan and Savage. They are nowhere near and never will be. Savage is young so maybe he can be a bit more useful in the future, but there is nothing convincing in what I have seen so far. I have strong assumptions on players based on what I have seen of them previously and what I saw on Tuesday was even worse. Koumas by contrast is someone I am actively excited to see more of! Jay da Silva was not brilliant but he was decent enough to be given another go, especially given we don't have another option there. Not sure what you do with Crew. He was awful for the 10mins + he was on the pitch but he is very young. If it was down to nerves only then I may be tempted to give him another run of 10-20 mins at the end Have you really seen enough of Sheehan though, he's played a handful of games and started one. I've watched him week in/out for 3 seasons and know he is too good for L1. If players find space he will hit them and rarely gives the ball away. it would be harsh to judge him just from Thursday's performance. He and Burns must have despaired to look up and find no-one running into space for them. I hope he gets another chance with better players and then that would be a proper test of where he's at internationally. We aren't exactly bursting with CMs to cover for Ampadu and JJ. |
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Post by iot on Jun 9, 2024 17:35:56 GMT
Back 4 again: x.com/cymru/status/1799856874671464683?s=46Easy to say with hindsight, but I think we would have benefited more by mixing it up over the two games rather than having a B / C side vs Gibraltar, and then as close to our first team as possible v Slovakia. That said, we should learn a lot more about Sheehan and those defenders tonight. Looking forward to it! |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Jun 9, 2024 17:39:51 GMT
Back 4 again: x.com/cymru/status/1799856874671464683?s=46Easy to say with hindsight, but I think we would have benefited more by mixing it up over the two games rather than having a B / C side vs Gibraltar, and then as close to our first team as possible v Slovakia. That said, we should learn a lot more about Sheehan and those defenders tonight. Looking forward to it! I'm happy with that selection. Interesting to see how Sheehan performs alongside JJ. Also how Broadhead goes as a sole 10. |
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Post by aberbeeg on Jun 9, 2024 17:45:12 GMT
We had an average age of around 25 in the last campaign so all this talk of “transition” is a smokescreen to save face and save his arse. The transition is away from having world class players at our disposal. No Bale, Ramsey or Allen now - remember when people thought it was impossible for us to win a game of football without those 3? Yes we have a squad that's got plenty of caps/experience now, but not enough of them have come into their own just yet Last season I think we saw Wilson start to hit his peak, but I think the best is yet to come for Rodon, Mepham, Ampadu, Neco, JJ, Brennan, Brooks and a few others So yes I think it's a transition, not an overhaul where we are blooding uncapped youngsters all the time, but a transition in terms of the responsibility shifting from Hennessey, Allen, Ramsey & Bale towards the players mentioned above This has been happening for quite a while so the transition crap is still page version of smokescreen |
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Post by njdragon on Jun 9, 2024 17:56:38 GMT
Wales find a world class player qualify and for 3 tournaments since 1958.
Wales world class player gets old and retires, wales fail to qualify
Not rocket science is it.
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Post by rushy on Jun 9, 2024 17:59:04 GMT
Page needs a performance from the players tonight in order to appease the fanbase if not the FAW, his constant being on the defensive comments are exhausting.
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Post by dai on Jun 9, 2024 18:11:20 GMT
I didn't realise Slovakia had qualified for the Euro's, they will want to head to Germany on a high.
Will be an interesting game.
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Post by morg on Jun 9, 2024 18:16:24 GMT
So that's a back 4 I take it?
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Post by dai on Jun 9, 2024 18:24:25 GMT
So that's a back 4 I take it? I think this is what he wants to use going forward..... |
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Post by fiveattheback on Jun 9, 2024 18:29:57 GMT
Wales find a world class player qualify and for 3 tournaments since 1958. Wales world class player gets old and retires, wales fail to qualify Not rocket science is it. Might as well not bother then I guess, save everyone some cash |
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Post by hc16040 on Jun 9, 2024 18:43:56 GMT
Hope that Putin smashes the Slovaks up for whatever the fuck that abomination was
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Post by iot on Jun 9, 2024 18:44:05 GMT
Wales find a world class player qualify and for 3 tournaments since 1958. Wales world class player gets old and retires, wales fail to qualify Not rocket science is it. Might as well not bother then I guess, save everyone some cash Don’t know why you’re responding like to that to a reasonable post. It gives some more context to assess Page’s performance and his comments around being in transition (not that I completely agree with that framing). Call me a defeatist or whatever, but I don't think we particularly underperformed over the course of the last campaign (including the playoffs) when you look at the quality in the squad objectively. We can lash out and blame it all on the manager (and he certainly hasn’t been faultless), but any new manager that comes in will be faced with the same challenge. I just think our recent success has led to a lot of people losing all sense of perspective |
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Post by hc16040 on Jun 9, 2024 18:47:00 GMT
On the brightside Rammstein before a game is always a solid choice from the Stadium DJ
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Post by rushy on Jun 9, 2024 18:53:53 GMT
Chance for Johnson but cant cut in on his left, poor.
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Post by fiveattheback on Jun 9, 2024 19:03:50 GMT
Might as well not bother then I guess, save everyone some cash Don’t know why you’re responding like to that to a reasonable post. It gives some more context to assess Page’s performance and his comments around being in transition (not that I completely agree with that framing). Call me a defeatist or whatever, but I don't think we particularly underperformed over the course of the last campaign (including the playoffs) when you look at the quality in the squad objectively. We can lash out and blame it all on the manager (and he certainly hasn’t been faultless), but any new manager that comes in will be faced with the same challenge. I just think our recent success has led to a lot of people losing all sense of perspective We've been through this before and in my view we underperformed, we were second seeds and had a squad filled with players who'd successfully qualified for at least 2 tournaments. You mention our squad on paper, take a look at the squads of Slovenia, Slovakia, Albania etc. Hardly galacticos. We disagree though and we'll go round in circles I reacted like that because of the defeatist attitude it gives off and the implication that A) We've never had a world class talent previously (we have) and B) That you need a world class talent to even hope to qualify. Well who's the world class player in the Slovakia lineup? Anyway, decent start. Stevens will learn a lot. |
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Post by reyrey on Jun 9, 2024 19:05:18 GMT
Wales find a world class player qualify and for 3 tournaments since 1958. Wales world class player gets old and retires, wales fail to qualify Not rocket science is it. Imagine if teams only qualified for finals because they had world class players |
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Post by njdragon on Jun 9, 2024 19:08:49 GMT
Wales find a world class player qualify and for 3 tournaments since 1958. Wales world class player gets old and retires, wales fail to qualify Not rocket science is it. Imagine if teams only qualified for finals because they had world class players It happens, see our record prior to bale. There’s a huge slice of perspective you’re missing here. |
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Post by hooky on Jun 9, 2024 19:14:48 GMT
I never want to see Sheehan again
Limited but rather goes backwards when a forward pass on the edge of their area is an easy option. Rubbish
He has done that twice ffs
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Post by hc16040 on Jun 9, 2024 19:15:10 GMT
Brennan really in a rut at the moment, blokes completely out of sorts
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Post by reyrey on Jun 9, 2024 19:15:36 GMT
Imagine if teams only qualified for finals because they had world class players It happens, see our record prior to bale. There’s a huge slice of perspective you’re missing here. I think you are tbh Slovakia are obviously full of them |
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