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Post by cadno on Jun 25, 2024 18:57:18 GMT
Carl Robinson’s name should be thrown in there if Andy Croft’s is
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Post by gwernybwch on Jun 25, 2024 19:23:06 GMT
Carl Robinson’s name should be thrown in there if Andy Croft’s is I did mention his name, along side, and I am going to have to whisper this, a women. |
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Post by quetzal on Jun 25, 2024 19:46:31 GMT
Thierry Henry, Bellamy or Osian I reckon.
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Post by surge on Jun 25, 2024 20:24:54 GMT
Thierry Henry, Bellamy or Osian I reckon. Out of the known possibilities, I think this a good list. I am half expecting a Gemma Grainger/Rhian Wilkinson type name on the shortlist that is a surprise though. One name I don't want is Matty Jones but only because I think he's developing nicely as a coach, we need a strong youth set-up and he shouldn't be moved on until moment is right, imo. |
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Post by njdragon on Jun 25, 2024 21:12:13 GMT
To illustrate the point about Allardyce being yesterday's man, after his departure from England he only just kept Palace up, left after half a season at Everton and took both West Brom and Leeds down. We might as well give Toshack senior a third stint. Nonsense Leeds had 4 games left of the season when he took over and West Brom were in a right state Everton he kept up (they finished eighth) and palace also |
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Post by talyfan on Jun 25, 2024 21:42:43 GMT
Pushing 70 Allerdyce. He'd be the oldest ever manager in the EUROS if he got us there in 2028. Surpassing Trappatoni record with Ireland at EURO 2012. Be the oldest manager ever if he got us to world cup.
I can't see it myself. Think it's only to draw people in to his podcast. Not many managers carry on at that age unless they had started the project years ago barring the odd exception.
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Post by winsumluzsum on Jun 25, 2024 21:51:51 GMT
To illustrate the point about Allardyce being yesterday's man, after his departure from England he only just kept Palace up, left after half a season at Everton and took both West Brom and Leeds down. We might as well give Toshack senior a third stint. Nonsense Leeds had 4 games left of the season when he took over and West Brom were in a right state Everton he kept up (they finished eighth) and palace also You're seriously keen on appointing a 69 year old, with a deserved reputation of playing a long ball game, with a tarnished reputation on and off the pitch? I find that staggering to be honest. |
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Post by jimexotic on Jun 25, 2024 22:02:36 GMT
Henry would seriously balls this up, the whole time looking numb on the sidelines wearing a roll neck as we plunge to lows not felt for a couple of decades. No.
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Post by njdragon on Jun 25, 2024 22:02:51 GMT
Nonsense Leeds had 4 games left of the season when he took over and West Brom were in a right state Everton he kept up (they finished eighth) and palace also You're seriously keen on appointing a 69 year old, with a deserved reputation of playing a long ball game, with a tarnished reputation on and off the pitch? I find that staggering to be honest. Im just pulling you up on the facts He’s a good manager we need a good manager. You want to take a punt on someone with little record after bashing page for the past year. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Jun 25, 2024 22:18:13 GMT
He had half a season to turn things around at West Brom and managed just one draw in his 4 games at Leeds. If you were generous you would say he was an effective manager until the latter stages of his career, but his style was was pretty awful. He did quite well at Everton but the fans still wanted him gone.
Allardyce is fatuous and full of himself. Being manager of Cymru is an honour. With him in charge he would regard it an honour for Cymru to have such an esteemed manager. He would be insufferable.
The last four managers, with no or limited pedigree, have all achieved more than the ex-manager of Real Madrid that preceded them. Appointing a younger hungry manager is the way to go.
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Post by talyfan on Jun 25, 2024 22:46:48 GMT
Henry would seriously balls this up, the whole time looking numb on the sidelines wearing a roll neck as we plunge to lows not felt for a couple of decades. No. Been crap at Monaco and Montreal Impact. Not big enough sample size for France U21s to judge him. Guess we'll get an insight at the Olympics. I'm not sold on him. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Jun 25, 2024 22:59:19 GMT
He did get Montreal to the playoffs for the first time in 4 years. But his overall record was poor: W9 D4 L16.
I wouldn't rule him out, but I think the 4 Welsh PL assistant managers all have stronger credentials.
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Post by welshrover on Jun 26, 2024 5:15:14 GMT
Just out of interest what was the exact reason Allerdyce and England parted company after just one game.
I recall some sort of controversy but not the details.
The one thing in his favour is that he has a 100% win rate at international level 🙂
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Post by flutterdinho on Jun 26, 2024 5:42:17 GMT
Happy with Osh or Bellamy but the Thierry Henry link is an interesting one.
Given his illustrious career and the high standards he set as a player, and the fact that we know the FAW like a 'name', he may be uniquely positioned to elevate Welsh football.
Knows what it takes to qualify for (and win) a world cup and euros.
Fresh perspective and, because of the standards he expects, we could perhaps expect some better coaches rather than a jobs for the boys approach.
And Allardyce...christ no. His style goes against everything we have been building for the last decade.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 26, 2024 8:14:26 GMT
Henry would seriously balls this up, the whole time looking numb on the sidelines wearing a roll neck as we plunge to lows not felt for a couple of decades. No. Been crap at Monaco and Montreal Impact. Not big enough sample size for France U21s to judge him. Guess we'll get an insight at the Olympics. I'm not sold on him. Agree, not shown much promise from a managerial perspective. Just a big name as far as I can tell. Would rather Bellamy, who I think would be more impassioned and understands the fanbase better, or Osian who would be a better technical coach It might be that Henry's skills translate better to international management than club management, however it feels like a big risk to me |
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Post by mrpicton79 on Jun 26, 2024 9:22:56 GMT
Been crap at Monaco and Montreal Impact. Not big enough sample size for France U21s to judge him. Guess we'll get an insight at the Olympics. I'm not sold on him. Agree, not shown much promise from a managerial perspective. Just a big name as far as I can tell. Would rather Bellamy, who I think would be more impassioned and understands the fanbase better, or Osian who would be a better technical coach It might be that Henry's skills translate better to international management than club management, however it feels like a big risk to me For the record I have huge reservations about Bellamy. People seem to have forgotten about his temperament. Has he really matured that much since his playing days? Undoubtedly he would fall out with players resulting in them not wanting to play for us and we can ill-afford that. |
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Post by njdragon on Jun 26, 2024 10:09:03 GMT
Agree, not shown much promise from a managerial perspective. Just a big name as far as I can tell. Would rather Bellamy, who I think would be more impassioned and understands the fanbase better, or Osian who would be a better technical coach It might be that Henry's skills translate better to international management than club management, however it feels like a big risk to me For the record I have huge reservations about Bellamy. People seem to have forgotten about his temperament. Has he really matured that much since his playing days? Undoubtedly he would fall out with players resulting in them not wanting to play for us and we can ill-afford that. Also if he’s that highly thought of why are Burnley looking for a manager considering they’ve dropped down a league now. Can’t rate him that highly. |
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Post by dai on Jun 26, 2024 10:13:49 GMT
Looking forward to seeing Thierry Henry walking around the Urdd Eisteddfod next year.
Yeah, I cant imagine Henry happening with all the cultural commitments thats required from a Welsh manager these days.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 26, 2024 10:24:39 GMT
For the record I have huge reservations about Bellamy. People seem to have forgotten about his temperament. Has he really matured that much since his playing days? Undoubtedly he would fall out with players resulting in them not wanting to play for us and we can ill-afford that. Also if he’s that highly thought of why are Burnley looking for a manager considering they’ve dropped down a league now. Can’t rate him that highly. Perhaps he isn't a top Champ/low end Prem manager just yet, but he doesn't need to be that for us. International football is very different and a good entry level for young managers. That doesn't put me off him |
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Post by njdragon on Jun 26, 2024 10:33:42 GMT
Also if he’s that highly thought of why are Burnley looking for a manager considering they’ve dropped down a league now. Can’t rate him that highly. Perhaps he isn't a top Champ/low end Prem manager just yet, but he doesn't need to be that for us. International football is very different and a good entry level for young managers. That doesn't put me off him Yeh I can see your point as you weren’t so anti page, but considering the sentiment towards page I feel lots would be look for an experienced tactician not another cutting their teeth at international level. Bellamy, page, Henry as much of a muchness for me with page probably having the edge due to tournament experience. For me this is a rebuild |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 26, 2024 11:27:45 GMT
Perhaps he isn't a top Champ/low end Prem manager just yet, but he doesn't need to be that for us. International football is very different and a good entry level for young managers. That doesn't put me off him Yeh I can see your point as you weren’t so anti page, but considering the sentiment towards page I feel lots would be look for an experienced tactician not another cutting their teeth at international level. Bellamy, page, Henry as much of a muchness for me with page probably having the edge due to tournament experience. For me this is a rebuild Yeah that's a good point mate, I'd be happy with someone like Osian for that reason. Feel Bellamy would maybe fire up the squad a bit, make us more aggressive and wouldn't stand for the GK situation for example But an astute tactician could definitely work as well. It's clear the hardcore fans want Osian - I just suspect the FAW want more of a "name" rightly or wrongly |
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Post by derynglas on Jun 26, 2024 11:57:43 GMT
Id have Osian and Bellamy actually as the dream ticket.
Theres no doubt Osian's tactical nous and knowledge of football is second to none,
but maybe too much of a nice bloke to do it on his own?
Bellamy has tactical knowledge as well,but he has that bit of a side to him as well.
You can imagine him chucking cups of tea round the dressing room at half time
when things are going wrong.
Im only half joking,i think you need an inspirational character as well.to inspire,cajole,
or even give players a good telling off at times.
Coleman and to some extent Page had that in being great leaders in their own way,
its not just about tactics and such,even in the modern game.
Id have them both,its the obvious next step IMO.
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Post by redwall65 on Jun 26, 2024 12:14:30 GMT
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Post by winsumluzsum on Jun 26, 2024 12:22:14 GMT
From the FAW “Through a growth mindset and strong leadership skills, they will need to demonstrate the capacity to be tactically flexible, make effective in-game decisions and demonstrate their ability to adapt their own philosophy.”
Clearly mindful of where Page came up short. The FAW are at least giving the impression that they are going through a thorough and professional process. That's to be applauded. The involvement of Dave Adams and the talk of the selection being data driven are also to be welcomed.
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Post by redwall65 on Jun 26, 2024 12:37:24 GMT
Disagree… no other FA would advertise for a national team manager on its own website.
Absolutely they need to do a fair/transparent process and have a candidate pack but you shouldn’t be advertising for a national team manager on a website.
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Post by iot on Jun 26, 2024 13:00:05 GMT
Burnley appear to be torn between giving Bellamy a shot or going for a 'been there and done it' Championship Manager - x.com/ClaretXtra/status/1805928050866934043I don't think Bellamy would come in as a number 2 under Osian personally, he'd probably want the top job or nothing |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Jun 26, 2024 13:07:36 GMT
Disagree… no other FA would advertise for a national team manager on its own website. Absolutely they need to do a fair/transparent process and have a candidate pack but you shouldn’t be advertising for a national team manager on a website. Why not? I think it's about being transparent and communicating with the fans. I don't see the harm in it. |
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Post by wft on Jun 26, 2024 13:20:33 GMT
What is our style? that we have been building for the last decade and how effective has it been. What is Welsh football style? is it like 'Brazilian football' styleis it like 'Spanish football' style is it like 'Italian football' style is it like 'French football' style is it like 'English football' style is it like 'German football' style Would be good if the world knew and respected our football style. Bellamy is the Future and there would be things for him to learn and add to his locker with a few years with Allardyce. of course i could be talking through the proverbial....Lets all keep it real.  |
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Post by fiveattheback on Jun 26, 2024 13:27:58 GMT
Disagree… no other FA would advertise for a national team manager on its own website. Absolutely they need to do a fair/transparent process and have a candidate pack but you shouldn’t be advertising for a national team manager on a website. That isn't really a job advert though is it, its a press release letting fans know what they're looking for with some excerpts from the job description Also, plenty of clubs openly advertise their managerial vacancies online |
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Post by CrackityJones on Jun 26, 2024 14:18:13 GMT
Yeah I don’t see the issue
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