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Post by cogancoronation31 on Sept 30, 2024 13:42:40 GMT
So... it's the last day of September - Ramsey and Ampadu are already out of the squad for our NL games on 11 and 14 October 24 (probably Dan James too?) What's the latest on Harry Wilson? He doesn't seem to have featured much for Fulham recently - does he have an injury as well? ----
Is our starting line-up having to look something like this: Ward/Darlow...
Roberts-Rodon-Davies-Neco...
Cooper/Allen...
Wilson/Brooks...
Sorba...
Brennan-Kieffer -Lawrence.
Have I missed anyone who deserves to start? Anyway, apart from the defence, any combination of the above-named players seems a bit lop-sided, and not ideal.
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Sept 30, 2024 13:48:38 GMT
Just remembered... there might be possible roles for Koumas, Burns and Sheehan, I guess... but all three's most recent appearances were disappointing, IMO.
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Post by eppingblue1 on Sept 30, 2024 14:00:22 GMT
Just remembered... there might be possible roles for Koumas, Burns and Sheehan, I guess... but all three's most recent appearances were disappointing, IMO. You've missed JJ who will almost certainly start. |
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Post by iot on Sept 30, 2024 14:07:06 GMT
So... it's the last day of September - Ramsey and Ampadu are already out of the squad for our NL games on 11 and 14 October 24 (probably Dan James too?) What's the latest on Harry Wilson? He doesn't seem to have featured much for Fulham recently - does he have an injury as well? ---- Is our starting line-up having to look something like this: Ward/Darlow... Roberts-Rodon-Davies-Neco... Cooper/Allen... Wilson/Brooks... Sorba... Brennan-Kieffer -Lawrence. Have I missed anyone who deserves to start? Anyway, apart from the defence, any combination of the above-named players seems a bit lop-sided, and not ideal. Dan James already ruled out by the Leeds manager, but should be back with Leeds after the international fixtures and hopefully make the last two games. Burns has returned at least, Matondo's still out. Don't think there are any injury concerns with Wilson, he's just not being selected. I think Connor Roberts is still out too, whilst Brooks hasn't played at all. It doesn't look good, to say the least! Ollie Cooper is 100% not a 6, he can't perform the Ampadu role (back me up on this please Swansea fans). Assuming Roberts is injured, and with Beck blowing his chances with a 3-game suspension, I think our best bet would be: Ward Neco Mepham Rodon Davies Sheehan JJ Cooper Johnson Wilson S. Thomas Koumas has been starting for Stoke but hasn't been producing the goods, so still a bit too early for him probably. Moore hasn't been scoring and probably makes us a bit too rigid for Bellamy's system. Cooper seems to be in decent form so could be given another shot. I would much prefer Davies at LCB, but am assuming Roberts is injured and I don't think we can chuck Beck in at this point (although wouldn't surprise me). Other options could be Burns on the right, Johnson through the middle, and Wilson dropping back in place of Cooper; or Lawrence through the middle and Wilson dropping back. Our chances have been dealt a huge blow - I'd be delighted with 4 points in these next games, but might be difficult |
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Post by talyfan on Sept 30, 2024 14:18:44 GMT
I reckon we'll see Vaulks called up. Bellamy not afraid to be bold with his selection.
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Sept 30, 2024 14:31:49 GMT
I agree on the 4 points wish. A draw in Iceland, and a narrow home win against Montenegro a would be a fine outcome, given our absenteeism problem. And of course let's not forget that there's still club game time between now and Iceland - two fixtures for some e.g. Brennan - for muscles to be pulled or calfs strained!
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Sept 30, 2024 14:33:31 GMT
PS: ...yes, sorry for overlooking JJ!
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Post by winsumluzsum on Sept 30, 2024 14:48:50 GMT
I reckon we'll see Vaulks called up. Bellamy not afraid to be bold with his selection. I'd be amazed to see Vaulks called up. Very limited footballer. Sheehan ticks all the boxes. His stats last season were excellent, including 12 assists from a deep lying role. He is to League One what Ampadu is to the Championship. There's still a step up of course, but I think Bellamy will instill him with confidence. If it wasn't for his injuries he would be an established Championship player at the very least. Allen has been indifferent since the start of the season, but it often takes him a while to get up to speed after injury. He was blameless for the goal yesterday, or any other occasions this season. He has a couple more opportunities to gain game time before the next double header. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 30, 2024 15:25:41 GMT
I reckon we'll see Vaulks called up. Bellamy not afraid to be bold with his selection. I'd be amazed to see Vaulks called up. Very limited footballer. Sheehan ticks all the boxes. His stats last season were excellent, including 12 assists from a deep lying role. He is to League One what Ampadu is to the Championship. There's still a step up of course, but I think Bellamy will instill him with confidence. If it wasn't for his injuries he would be an established Championship player at the very least. Allen has been indifferent since the start of the season, but it often takes him a while to get up to speed after injury. He was blameless for the goal yesterday, or any other occasions this season. He has a couple more opportunities to gain game time before the next double header. I think people forget that Sheehan comes from very good stock. As you say the main reason he isn't a Championship footballer was due to that injury. Otherwise he'd have been the heir to Allen in Swansea's midfield in all likelihood. Think he's very capable of filling in temporarily |
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Post by talyfan on Sept 30, 2024 15:41:40 GMT
I'm not so sure on Sheehan myself. Nice tidy player who can keep the ball ticking but beyond that think the jury's out still for the level we'll need him to play at. We'll only find out if he manages to start the next round of games.
He's never played a competitive fixture for us. Think more often than not it's just been friendlies where we've rotated/experimented.
I think Bellamy will need to adapt the system somewhat.
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Post by dai on Sept 30, 2024 15:42:05 GMT
I'd be amazed to see Vaulks called up. Very limited footballer. Sheehan ticks all the boxes. His stats last season were excellent, including 12 assists from a deep lying role. He is to League One what Ampadu is to the Championship. There's still a step up of course, but I think Bellamy will instill him with confidence. If it wasn't for his injuries he would be an established Championship player at the very least. Allen has been indifferent since the start of the season, but it often takes him a while to get up to speed after injury. He was blameless for the goal yesterday, or any other occasions this season. He has a couple more opportunities to gain game time before the next double header. I think people forget that Sheehan comes from very good stock. As you say the main reason he isn't a Championship footballer was due to that injury. Otherwise he'd have been the heir to Allen in Swansea's midfield in all likelihood. Think he's very capable of filling in temporarily People also forget that Vaulks has been mostly a Championship player for the last 6/7 years, dipping into L1 as well. So there is a decent footballer there, not sure why most on here don't like him (as a player) or rate him. |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Sept 30, 2024 15:48:51 GMT
Shame, he'll be a big miss. Come on down Joe Allen, your second coming is nigh!
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Post by iot on Sept 30, 2024 16:23:54 GMT
I think people forget that Sheehan comes from very good stock. As you say the main reason he isn't a Championship footballer was due to that injury. Otherwise he'd have been the heir to Allen in Swansea's midfield in all likelihood. Think he's very capable of filling in temporarily People also forget that Vaulks has been mostly a Championship player for the last 6/7 years, dipping into L1 as well. So there is a decent footballer there, not sure why most on here don't like him (as a player) or rate him. I think the point you and the poster above miss is that getting the right profile of player is as important (if not more) for Bellamy than getting the best quality player. Talyfan describes Sheehan as a 'Nice tidy player who can keep the ball ticking' - that's exactly the type of profile Bellamy wants for that role. The thought of Vaulks being asked to collect the ball from our keeper and play it out with three opposition players around him absolutely terrify me - he may excel at other parts of the game, but he's not someone who's composed on the ball and can play in tight spaces, which is what we need. Bellamy uses the phrase 'I like his profile' in his interviews and press conferences all the time. There's no way Vaulks fits into it. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Sept 30, 2024 18:06:25 GMT
People also forget that Vaulks has been mostly a Championship player for the last 6/7 years, dipping into L1 as well. So there is a decent footballer there, not sure why most on here don't like him (as a player) or rate him. I think the point you and the poster above miss is that getting the right profile of player is as important (if not more) for Bellamy than getting the best quality player. Talyfan describes Sheehan as a 'Nice tidy player who can keep the ball ticking' - that's exactly the type of profile Bellamy wants for that role. The thought of Vaulks being asked to collect the ball from our keeper and play it out with three opposition players around him absolutely terrify me - he may excel at other parts of the game, but he's not someone who's composed on the ball and can play in tight spaces, which is what we need. Bellamy uses the phrase 'I like his profile' in his interviews and press conferences all the time. There's no way Vaulks fits into it. I couldn't agree more. Vaults would be a great fit for Northern Ireland but is entirely unsuited to the brand of football Bellamy wants to develop. Sheehan is well suited and has a terrific range of passing. It's easy to forget he was one of the standout players in the U21 team a few years ago. Check out his stats on Fotmob - excellent across the board. Here's an indication of what he has in his locker: www.facebook.com/officialbwfc/videos/202324-players-player-of-the-year-josh-sheehan/2150145782016348/ |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Sept 30, 2024 18:44:28 GMT
Sheehan's passing stats for last season are stellar. Above average on all 9 passing metrics, in fact 79th percentile or better on all counts, 85th percentile or better on 6 counts. In other words the best passer in the league by some distance. His assists and chances created stats are both over 96th percentile, so clearly a creative player, not just a player who starts moves off.
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Post by dragon64 on Sept 30, 2024 18:55:25 GMT
gutted but the only positive is we do have to deal with the CM 'issue' and this is an opportunity to give others a go
will we see Joe come out of retirement...I think we will
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Post by winsumluzsum on Sept 30, 2024 19:02:54 GMT
Allen will only be fit enough to play a half max each match. So I would expect Sheehan to start.
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Post by fireboy0610 on Sept 30, 2024 19:04:36 GMT
Allen will only be fit enough to play a half max each match. So I would expect Sheehan to start. I wouldn't expect allen to even do 30 minutes atm. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Sept 30, 2024 19:56:41 GMT
He played 22 minutes yesterday.
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Post by fireboy0610 on Sept 30, 2024 20:06:50 GMT
He played 22 minutes yesterday. In a mid table championship game, not in an international, don't get me wrong, he will get more match fitter especially as swansea have 2 more games before the nation league games but ateotd we don't even know if he's committed to the cause yet. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Sept 30, 2024 20:18:46 GMT
If he does make himself available then half an hour in each game should be manageable.
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Post by fireboy0610 on Sept 30, 2024 20:25:19 GMT
If he does make himself available then half an hour in each game should be manageable. Definitely, I hope he commits, even though he is nowhere near full fitness he will be a massive asset to the squad especially now that ampadu is out for the next 2 games. |
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Post by melynwy on Sept 30, 2024 20:33:21 GMT
He played 22 minutes yesterday. In a mid table championship game, not in an international, don't get me wrong, he will get more match fitter especially as swansea have 2 more games before the nation league games but ateotd we don't even know if he's committed to the cause yet. Mid table Championship is more challenging than most internationals, surely? |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Sept 30, 2024 20:41:41 GMT
In a mid table championship game, not in an international, don't get me wrong, he will get more match fitter especially as swansea have 2 more games before the nation league games but ateotd we don't even know if he's committed to the cause yet. Mid table Championship is more challenging than most internationals, surely? Iceland are probably a mid to lower Championship side in calibre, Montenegro something similar. |
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Post by talyfan on Sept 30, 2024 20:50:40 GMT
Cooper was ahead of Sheehan. Not sure if still the case.
Could see a pivot of James and Cooper. Otherwise, potentially a trio of James, Cooper and Sheehan. Just that extra body in midfield and pack it out a bit.
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Post by fireboy0610 on Sept 30, 2024 20:53:18 GMT
In a mid table championship game, not in an international, don't get me wrong, he will get more match fitter especially as swansea have 2 more games before the nation league games but ateotd we don't even know if he's committed to the cause yet. Mid table Championship is more challenging than most internationals, surely? Probably although I thought that montenegro looked a good side, we were lucky in some instances and our defence had to work very hard to get us the victory. Once allen has more match minutes under his belt, hopefully this week he will be sharper, therefore better equipped to do whatever bellamy wants him to do. |
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Post by fireboy0610 on Sept 30, 2024 20:54:21 GMT
Mid table Championship is more challenging than most internationals, surely? Iceland are probably a mid to lower Championship side in calibre, Montenegro something similar. I thought that montenegro looked quite good, without those 2 quick goals it could have been different. |
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Post by dragon64 on Sept 30, 2024 21:25:19 GMT
Looking forward to the games once again
Shame that a couple of players at least wont be available due to injury
Hoping they are games Brennan will start as the main man up top and we can grab some goals
want to see us build on that positive performance we saw v Turkey play good football and hopefully find the cutting edge to go with it
Wonder if there will be any surprises in the squad and will we see Joe Allen come out of retirement
The other issue is will some younger players be left out of the full squad due to the big game the U21s have
Dont think it will be easy but fingers crossed a win at Iceland [only just] and a good win at Home in the second game
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Post by winsumluzsum on Sept 30, 2024 21:53:52 GMT
Cooper was ahead of Sheehan. Not sure if still the case. Could see a pivot of James and Cooper. Otherwise, potentially a trio of James, Cooper and Sheehan. Just that extra body in midfield and pack it out a bit. Cooper has never played in the double pivot. To be fair he does have some attributes to be an 8 but it would be a bold move for Bellamy to field him in a novel position. Then again with Bellamy... |
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Oct 1, 2024 10:21:22 GMT
Actually, I'd be content with 4 points - I think two wins is too much to expect.
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