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Post by winsumluzsum on Oct 15, 2024 18:35:28 GMT
Just watched the game back. Fairly happy with the performance and result. If we'd played like that with a full strength team I would have been disappointed, however considering this was a real scratch-side, I think we have to be happy with that! Bellamy has now played 26 different players in his first 4 games which is absolutely nuts! We've learnt a lot from this window I think. On the new players, I came from the game yesterday thinking Burns had a shocker, but watching it back he didn't do as poorly as I thought. He was involved in two excellent pieces of play, but equally some really sloppy moments. Overall, he comes out of the camp with less credit. With Mark Harris, again I came out of the game thinking he hadn't done enough, but watching it back he was really important in our dominant first half performance through his off the ball work. I also hadn't noticed that he was heavily involved in creating about 3 really good chances. So a decent showing overall. Liam Cullen had some good moments, but doesn't offer enough for me. I thought Cabango had a solid game but lacked composure at times in possession which I'm sure Bellamy will have noted. Darlow showed good distribution first half, but then lacked bravery second half where we lost the ball a few times through his aimless punts. Sheehan was class. The people who slate him for being too negative or playing too many sideways passes simply don't understand modern football and why it's needed to move the opposition about and create space. He played 2 or 3 excellent balls through the lines too. I thought Wilson, Neco, and Rodon were all class too. Ben Davies is starting to concern me slightly. I thought he was poor in both games and he's been poor in his cup appearances with Spurs too (although he was very good against Turkey tbf). I hope this isn't a sign of him starting to decline. I hope Broadhead and Brooks get good moves in January. They could both be big players for us. I think Broadhead is well-suited to the false 9 role that Ramsey played against Turkey. All in all I think this camp has been another encouraging one. Hopefully we'll get a few players back for the next round, with Turkey away a proper test of where we're at. I agree pretty much 100% with that, especially the comments on Darlow, Cabango and Sheehan. I also your concerns regarding Davies. The way he was left for dead with the shot against the bar was worrying. Going forwards he's probably better as a centre half than left back, where he risks being targeted for his lack of pace. Harris was certainly busy first half and did some good things but overall I thought he was mediocre. Bit of a thankless task but even so I wasn't that impressed. Cullen was more miss than hit bit not by much. The number 10 role gave him more opportunity to express himself and the brief glimpses of quality left me thinking there's better to come, especially considering it's an unfamiliar role for him at club level. Hopefully Burns, Harris and Cullen will only be called upon in an emergency. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Oct 15, 2024 18:47:45 GMT
Allen, loathe as I am to say it was OK, no better. Obviously with his lack of game time that's unsurprising. Hopefully he'll be a bit sharper come November.
Sheehan deserved MOTM if only because he sustained his level over 90 minutes. Quite a few dropped off, including Wilson, Neco, Harris and Davies. This is a concern. I expect both Turkiye and Iceland to press us high and hard from the off in the last double header as we've struggled to varying degrees when the opposition have changed to a more intense press second half. Will we deal with that? I don't know...
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 15, 2024 19:29:09 GMT
Ben Davies is starting to concern me slightly. I thought he was poor in both games and he's been poor in his cup appearances with Spurs too (although he was very good against Turkey tbf). I hope this isn't a sign of him starting to decline. I hope Broadhead and Brooks get good moves in January. They could both be big players for us. I think Broadhead is well-suited to the false 9 role that Ramsey played against Turkey. All in all I think this camp has been another encouraging one. Hopefully we'll get a few players back for the next round, with Turkey away a proper test of where we're at. Agree probably Davies's worst camp in a while, although he is oh so consistent I think any drop off becomes instantly noticeable, so victim of his own success to a degree. He's always had extended runs in the Spurs side, but he hasn't had one now since midway through last season now, and he seems to be getting less game time this season which is a bad sign. I feel he may finally need to move on from Spurs to help his career longevity now. If he gets another 26 appearances for them (unlikely), then he will be in their top 20 all time most appearances. I still think he'd thrive at a club like Brighton who would value players of his ilk. A 90 cap international defender with versatility is the type of profile I think a lot of Premier League clubs would value actually Not sure if Broadhead needs a loan or whether he just needs time to fully recover from his injury and break back into the Ipswich side. I agree I think he'd be a great false 9, he has great intensity and can see him being a real Bellamy type player. If he'd been fit he'd have done well starting games like these I believe |
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Post by dragon64 on Oct 15, 2024 20:11:10 GMT
Just watched the game back. Fairly happy with the performance and result. If we'd played like that with a full strength team I would have been disappointed, however considering this was a real scratch-side, I think we have to be happy with that! Bellamy has now played 26 different players in his first 4 games which is absolutely nuts! We've learnt a lot from this window I think. On the new players, I came from the game yesterday thinking Burns had a shocker, but watching it back he didn't do as poorly as I thought. He was involved in two excellent pieces of play, but equally some really sloppy moments. Overall, he comes out of the camp with less credit. With Mark Harris, again I came out of the game thinking he hadn't done enough, but watching it back he was really important in our dominant first half performance through his off the ball work. I also hadn't noticed that he was heavily involved in creating about 3 really good chances. So a decent showing overall. Liam Cullen had some good moments, but doesn't offer enough for me. I thought Cabango had a solid game but lacked composure at times in possession which I'm sure Bellamy will have noted. Darlow showed good distribution first half, but then lacked bravery second half where we lost the ball a few times through his aimless punts. Sheehan was class. The people who slate him for being too negative or playing too many sideways passes simply don't understand modern football and why it's needed to move the opposition about and create space. He played 2 or 3 excellent balls through the lines too. I thought Wilson, Neco, and Rodon were all class too. Ben Davies is starting to concern me slightly. I thought he was poor in both games and he's been poor in his cup appearances with Spurs too (although he was very good against Turkey tbf). I hope this isn't a sign of him starting to decline. I hope Broadhead and Brooks get good moves in January. They could both be big players for us. I think Broadhead is well-suited to the false 9 role that Ramsey played against Turkey.All in all I think this camp has been another encouraging one. Hopefully we'll get a few players back for the next round, with Turkey away a proper test of where we're at. Agree with your post highlighted-Harris IMO he lead the line really well his work rate and pressing were superb and because of him and others then joining the press we turned a lot of ball over quickly especially in the first half and created several chances Sheehan had a good game and didnt look out of place in the side used the ball well and looked really comfortable on the ball a big plus for me in this camp is this he now is a genuine option to use in CM, an area we need that said a few pages back I feel Broadhead will be given a go in that false 9 role when he is fully fit can see koumas there too I am still unsure about Burns+Sorba I would like to have seen koumas used ahead of them 2, it will be interesting when dan james is fit as I am sure he will get that left sided role and there is matondo who will be in the squad too when fit |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Oct 16, 2024 9:58:14 GMT
This perhaps is not the ideal thread, but Monday night was just another example. Is it just me (old fogey), but I wish the FAW would do a U-turn and start printing programmes again for matches, even if it's just a 10 page pamphlet. We're in the digital age I realise, but it would be a memento of the occasion for all (especially youngsters), as it used to be (I'm sure many have got boxes of them). It's nice sometimes to go through a collection, and brings back memories of games passed.
Just a thought.
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Post by jbt95 on Oct 16, 2024 10:32:43 GMT
This perhaps is not the ideal thread, but Monday night was just another example. Is it just me (old fogey), but I wish the FAW would do a U-turn and start printing programmes again for matches, even if it's just a 10 page pamphlet. We're in the digital age I realise, but it would be a memento of the occasion for all (especially youngsters), as it used to be (I'm sure many have got boxes of them). It's nice sometimes to go through a collection, and brings back memories of games passed. Just a thought. Weren’t programmes originally 4 pages back in the 50s etc? Then they slowly became books! |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Oct 16, 2024 11:10:59 GMT
This perhaps is not the ideal thread, but Monday night was just another example. Is it just me (old fogey), but I wish the FAW would do a U-turn and start printing programmes again for matches, even if it's just a 10 page pamphlet. We're in the digital age I realise, but it would be a memento of the occasion for all (especially youngsters), as it used to be (I'm sure many have got boxes of them). It's nice sometimes to go through a collection, and brings back memories of games passed. Just a thought. Weren’t programmes originally 4 pages back in the 50s etc? Then they slowly became books! 4 Pages/A4 sheet folded down the middle would be better than nothing wouldn't it? They could charge a nominal fee (for a charity perhaps) or as a free handout. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Oct 16, 2024 16:14:06 GMT
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Post by insertname on Oct 17, 2024 4:10:29 GMT
Just watched the game back. Fairly happy with the performance and result. If we'd played like that with a full strength team I would have been disappointed, however considering this was a real scratch-side, I think we have to be happy with that! Bellamy has now played 26 different players in his first 4 games which is absolutely nuts! We've learnt a lot from this window I think. On the new players, I came from the game yesterday thinking Burns had a shocker, but watching it back he didn't do as poorly as I thought. He was involved in two excellent pieces of play, but equally some really sloppy moments. Overall, he comes out of the camp with less credit. With Mark Harris, again I came out of the game thinking he hadn't done enough, but watching it back he was really important in our dominant first half performance through his off the ball work. I also hadn't noticed that he was heavily involved in creating about 3 really good chances. So a decent showing overall. Liam Cullen had some good moments, but doesn't offer enough for me. I thought Cabango had a solid game but lacked composure at times in possession which I'm sure Bellamy will have noted. Darlow showed good distribution first half, but then lacked bravery second half where we lost the ball a few times through his aimless punts. Sheehan was class. The people who slate him for being too negative or playing too many sideways passes simply don't understand modern football and why it's needed to move the opposition about and create space. He played 2 or 3 excellent balls through the lines too. I thought Wilson, Neco, and Rodon were all class too. Ben Davies is starting to concern me slightly. I thought he was poor in both games and he's been poor in his cup appearances with Spurs too (although he was very good against Turkey tbf). I hope this isn't a sign of him starting to decline. I hope Broadhead and Brooks get good moves in January. They could both be big players for us. I think Broadhead is well-suited to the false 9 role that Ramsey played against Turkey.All in all I think this camp has been another encouraging one. Hopefully we'll get a few players back for the next round, with Turkey away a proper test of where we're at. Agree with your post highlighted-Harris IMO he lead the line really well his work rate and pressing were superb and because of him and others then joining the press we turned a lot of ball over quickly especially in the first half and created several chances Sheehan had a good game and didnt look out of place in the side used the ball well and looked really comfortable on the ball a big plus for me in this camp is this he now is a genuine option to use in CM, an area we need that said a few pages back I feel Broadhead will be given a go in that false 9 role when he is fully fit can see koumas there too I am still unsure about Burns+Sorba I would like to have seen koumas used ahead of them 2, it will be interesting when dan james is fit as I am sure he will get that left sided role and there is matondo who will be in the squad too when fit The problem I have with Harris is that for all the good work he might do he doesn’t offer any goal threat. We have so few goals in the side that picking a forward for the work he does creating chances for others feels slightly redundant because those others only end up missing themselves. We need to find a forward who actually has the knack of getting in position to score and the chance that Harris had he was beaten to by the defender. But the issue of course is that who else is there who is guaranteed to score goals at international level? Mullin has the attributes to perform a smiliar role in terms of all round game while possibly offering more of a goal threat but I accept that we’ll probably never see him given a chance now given his age and Moore is obviously the natural goalscorer but he doesn’t really fit anymore with Bellamy in charge. I know we don’t score many goals as it is but seeing the list of goals attributed to players posted previously was a bit of an eye opener. Dan James currently one of our top scorers with something like 7 goals from 53 caps. It’s a huge issue. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 17, 2024 13:25:38 GMT
Mullin needs to go on a run in League One in order to be considered. It's a similar situation to last season where he started slow due to injury, but by the mid point of the season he hit really good form. If it takes him that long again this season we'll be approaching the qualifiers which aren't ideal for experimentation
For what it's worth I think Mullin is the right type of striker we need, and Sheehan showing that top League Ones players can fit right in doesn't hurt his chances. Just feels like it won't quite ever line up for Mullin now though. Would still like to see him given a go in a friendly, but ultimately I think Bellamy is more than happy to adapt by playing False 9s rather than insisting on an old school 9
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Post by welshwhite on Oct 17, 2024 16:00:56 GMT
"But the issue of course is that who else is there who is guaranteed to score goals at international level?"
I wonder if Will Evans is worth a shout ? haven't seen much of him but, a late starter, he seems to be climbing the leagues at an impressive pace, and currently starting and scoring goals for Mansfield who are doing very nicely in League 1.
Has he hit his ceiling or could he carry on moving up ?
If Mansfield continue their good early form. I'm sure there will be a few Championship clubs keeping tabs on him.
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Post by dragon64 on Oct 17, 2024 18:29:28 GMT
Agree with your post highlighted-Harris IMO he lead the line really well his work rate and pressing were superb and because of him and others then joining the press we turned a lot of ball over quickly especially in the first half and created several chances Sheehan had a good game and didnt look out of place in the side used the ball well and looked really comfortable on the ball a big plus for me in this camp is this he now is a genuine option to use in CM, an area we need that said a few pages back I feel Broadhead will be given a go in that false 9 role when he is fully fit can see koumas there too I am still unsure about Burns+Sorba I would like to have seen koumas used ahead of them 2, it will be interesting when dan james is fit as I am sure he will get that left sided role and there is matondo who will be in the squad too when fit The problem I have with Harris is that for all the good work he might do he doesn’t offer any goal threat. We have so few goals in the side that picking a forward for the work he does creating chances for others feels slightly redundant because those others only end up missing themselves. We need to find a forward who actually has the knack of getting in position to score and the chance that Harris had he was beaten to by the defender. But the issue of course is that who else is there who is guaranteed to score goals at international level? Mullin has the attributes to perform a smiliar role in terms of all round game while possibly offering more of a goal threat but I accept that we’ll probably never see him given a chance now given his age and Moore is obviously the natural goalscorer but he doesn’t really fit anymore with Bellamy in charge. I know we don’t score many goals as it is but seeing the list of goals attributed to players posted previously was a bit of an eye opener. Dan James currently one of our top scorers with something like 7 goals from 53 caps. It’s a huge issue. I am hoping we will see Will Evans get a call up and given a go, as IMO playing with players like Brooks,Wilson around him he would thrive welshwhite we are on the same page  |
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Post by dragon64 on Oct 17, 2024 18:33:32 GMT
"But the issue of course is that who else is there who is guaranteed to score goals at international level?"I wonder if Will Evans is worth a shout ? haven't seen much of him but, a late starter, he seems to be climbing the leagues at an impressive pace, and currently starting and scoring goals for Mansfield who are doing very nicely in League 1. Has he hit his ceiling or could he carry on moving up ? If Mansfield continue their good early form. I'm sure there will be a few Championship clubs keeping tabs on him. same as you haven't seen much but I liked what I saw and with our lack of finishers I would give him his chance think Broadhead will have a go at the false 9 when fit wouldn't be surprised with koumas there either but would love to see Evans get called up |
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Post by surge on Oct 17, 2024 18:48:45 GMT
Not sure if any player is guaranteed to score goals at international level.
Germany were really struggling with strikers a short time ago and have landed on Füllkrug (first senior international cap at 29), Havertz (not a reliable goal scorer until meeting Arteta; played at LWB for Germany within past 18 months) and Undav (incredibly forgettable at Brighton).
But the national manager and club managers have built these players up and systems created around them to score goals.
There is so, so much we don't know about Bellamy's plans for us. He's probably only had one game (his first) in which enough was going right that we can tell what we might look like with our strongest squad available.
Are we going to false 9 it going forward with Kieffer off the bench?
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Post by dragon64 on Oct 17, 2024 21:13:58 GMT
Not sure if any player is guaranteed to score goals at international level. Germany were really struggling with strikers a short time ago and have landed on Füllkrug (first senior international cap at 29), Havertz (not a reliable goal scorer until meeting Arteta; played at LWB for Germany within past 18 months) and Undav (incredibly forgettable at Brighton). But the national manager and club managers have built these players up and systems created around them to score goals. There is so, so much we don't know about Bellamy's plans for us. He's probably only had one game (his first) in which enough was going right that we can tell what we might look like with our strongest squad available.
Are we going to false 9 it going forward with Kieffer off the bench? this is spot on, its a wait and see I suppose but he hasn't been afraid to give players a go[24 I believe?] and it is still early days, its really refreshing to see us with a plan and finding an identity Füllkrug is a good old fashioned number 9 and it was great to see him get his chance late on in his career |
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Post by insertname on Oct 18, 2024 0:45:55 GMT
Mullin needs to go on a run in League One in order to be considered. It's a similar situation to last season where he started slow due to injury, but by the mid point of the season he hit really good form. If it takes him that long again this season we'll be approaching the qualifiers which aren't ideal for experimentation For what it's worth I think Mullin is the right type of striker we need, and Sheehan showing that top League Ones players can fit right in doesn't hurt his chances. Just feels like it won't quite ever line up for Mullin now though. Would still like to see him given a go in a friendly, but ultimately I think Bellamy is more than happy to adapt by playing False 9s rather than insisting on an old school 9 Yeah I agree. I feel like with Page’s less technical approach Mullin wouldn’t look out of place as a lower league player. It’s a different look for Bellamy and I agree that the change to Bellamy requires Mullin to show something consistent at league two level. Not sure we will see it now given his age which is a shame because I’m with you that he has attributes that we would benefit from |
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Post by insertname on Oct 18, 2024 0:47:28 GMT
I am hoping we will see Will Evans get a call up and given a go, as IMO playing with players like Brooks,Wilson around him he would thrive welshwhite we are on the same page Ah yeah good shout, I forgot about him, although he’s probably more one for the future. |
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Post by dragon64 on Oct 18, 2024 1:57:26 GMT
I am hoping we will see Will Evans get a call up and given a go, as IMO playing with players like Brooks,Wilson around him he would thrive welshwhite we are on the same page Ah yeah good shout, I forgot about him, although he’s probably more one for the future. He is 27 now Hope he gets a chance |
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Post by insertname on Oct 18, 2024 5:48:24 GMT
Ah yeah good shout, I forgot about him, although he’s probably more one for the future. He is 27 now Hope he gets a chance Blimey, I thought he was around 21 given he’s only just emerged and he looks quite youthful iirc. Hopefully he continues to get a few goals for mansfield this season and presses a case for a call up sooner than later before he turns into Mullin MKII 😩 |
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Post by dragon64 on Oct 18, 2024 6:26:11 GMT
He is 27 now Hope he gets a chance Blimey, I thought he was around 21 given he’s only just emerged and he looks quite youthful iirc. Hopefully he continues to get a few goals for mansfield this season and presses a case for a call up sooner than later before he turns into Mullin MKII 😩 can remember him playing for Bala a few years ago a cant get over Harry Wilson is 27 too it doesnt seem that long ago he was the youngest player to get capped that is over 11 years ago  |
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Post by hooky on Oct 18, 2024 8:36:51 GMT
Well its been a bit of a rocky ride but we seem to have had a big upgrade in terms of acquiring a manager with football intelligence. Its not perfect (as noted - the lack of timely change in response to Iceland clearly dominating us in the second half had echoes of Robert Page) but the team is far better from a fluidity, attacking perspective.
Really hope we can get to a tournament with Bale and a prime Ramsey - that is important for Welsh football turning a page and moving on
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Post by iot on Oct 18, 2024 14:26:51 GMT
Agree with your post highlighted-Harris IMO he lead the line really well his work rate and pressing were superb and because of him and others then joining the press we turned a lot of ball over quickly especially in the first half and created several chances Sheehan had a good game and didnt look out of place in the side used the ball well and looked really comfortable on the ball a big plus for me in this camp is this he now is a genuine option to use in CM, an area we need that said a few pages back I feel Broadhead will be given a go in that false 9 role when he is fully fit can see koumas there too I am still unsure about Burns+Sorba I would like to have seen koumas used ahead of them 2, it will be interesting when dan james is fit as I am sure he will get that left sided role and there is matondo who will be in the squad too when fit The problem I have with Harris is that for all the good work he might do he doesn’t offer any goal threat. We have so few goals in the side that picking a forward for the work he does creating chances for others feels slightly redundant because those others only end up missing themselves. We need to find a forward who actually has the knack of getting in position to score and the chance that Harris had he was beaten to by the defender. But the issue of course is that who else is there who is guaranteed to score goals at international level? Mullin has the attributes to perform a smiliar role in terms of all round game while possibly offering more of a goal threat but I accept that we’ll probably never see him given a chance now given his age and Moore is obviously the natural goalscorer but he doesn’t really fit anymore with Bellamy in charge. I know we don’t score many goals as it is but seeing the list of goals attributed to players posted previously was a bit of an eye opener. Dan James currently one of our top scorers with something like 7 goals from 53 caps. It’s a huge issue. I disagree with the general sentiment here and from others. There’s a desperation within almost every club fanbase to find an elusive 20-goal striker, but there aren’t as many of those around these days. I think this is an example where fans haven’t caught up with how the game’s evolved. Goals tend to be spread out much more now with teams less reliant on one or two forwards and ask them to contribute much more to buildup play. The role has completely changed. I’m not overly concerned by a lack of goals under Bellamy personally. We’ll start most games with three forwards and at least one 10 who will each have a 1 in 3 to 1 in 5 ratio under Bellamy I think (I can see Johnson, James, and Wilson having the higher end of that under Bellamy). Then there’s the impact off the bench and from other parts of the pitch with the number 8 and full backs also pushing forward. All in all, that will be enough for a couple of goals most games. Back to Mark Harris, he had a good record in League 1 last season surpassing what Will Evans is doing this season while Mullin has only been able to impress against League 2 and youth sides to date. Bellamy’s no mug, there’s a reason why Harris is being selected ahead of other options. |
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Post by welshwhite on Oct 18, 2024 17:22:42 GMT
I think the interest in Evans stems from the fact that he is precisely where Harris was last season. Factor in Evans meteoric rise from the Cymru Premier, through L2 to L1, and that he appears to have had success at each stage, and that is bound to pique the interest in Welsh supporters and cause us to speculate about where his ceiling may be.
There's no reason not to hope he can progress like Harris. We do have some very good goal scoring attacking midfield players, and that's what's keeping us afloat at the moment, but it wouldn't do us any harm to have ammunition and options in reserve.
Albeit, he is 27, and I've never seen him play.
I could say with certainty Christian Doidge was never going to amount to an international footballer, when others were advocating a call up, and he played at Championship level.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 18, 2024 18:02:35 GMT
The problem I have with Harris is that for all the good work he might do he doesn’t offer any goal threat. We have so few goals in the side that picking a forward for the work he does creating chances for others feels slightly redundant because those others only end up missing themselves. We need to find a forward who actually has the knack of getting in position to score and the chance that Harris had he was beaten to by the defender. But the issue of course is that who else is there who is guaranteed to score goals at international level? Mullin has the attributes to perform a smiliar role in terms of all round game while possibly offering more of a goal threat but I accept that we’ll probably never see him given a chance now given his age and Moore is obviously the natural goalscorer but he doesn’t really fit anymore with Bellamy in charge. I know we don’t score many goals as it is but seeing the list of goals attributed to players posted previously was a bit of an eye opener. Dan James currently one of our top scorers with something like 7 goals from 53 caps. It’s a huge issue. I’m not overly concerned by a lack of goals under Bellamy personally. We’ll start most games with three forwards and at least one 10 who will each have a 1 in 3 to 1 in 5 ratio under Bellamy I think (I can see Johnson, James, and Wilson having the higher end of that under Bellamy). Then there’s the impact off the bench and from other parts of the pitch with the number 8 and full backs also pushing forward. All in all, that will be enough for a couple of goals most games. I think this is a great point and I completely agree, we will see the goals spread mostly across 3-4 forwards, with the odd goals coming from elsewhere too. At the ratio you've suggested that is definitely good enough for us |
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Post by dragon64 on Oct 18, 2024 18:33:01 GMT
The problem I have with Harris is that for all the good work he might do he doesn’t offer any goal threat. We have so few goals in the side that picking a forward for the work he does creating chances for others feels slightly redundant because those others only end up missing themselves. We need to find a forward who actually has the knack of getting in position to score and the chance that Harris had he was beaten to by the defender. But the issue of course is that who else is there who is guaranteed to score goals at international level? Mullin has the attributes to perform a smiliar role in terms of all round game while possibly offering more of a goal threat but I accept that we’ll probably never see him given a chance now given his age and Moore is obviously the natural goalscorer but he doesn’t really fit anymore with Bellamy in charge. I know we don’t score many goals as it is but seeing the list of goals attributed to players posted previously was a bit of an eye opener. Dan James currently one of our top scorers with something like 7 goals from 53 caps. It’s a huge issue. I disagree with the general sentiment here and from others. There’s a desperation within almost every club fanbase to find an elusive 20-goal striker, but there aren’t as many of those around these days. I think this is an example where fans haven’t caught up with how the game’s evolved. Goals tend to be spread out much more now with teams less reliant on one or two forwards and ask them to contribute much more to buildup play. The role has completely changed. I’m not overly concerned by a lack of goals under Bellamy personally. We’ll start most games with three forwards and at least one 10 who will each have a 1 in 3 to 1 in 5 ratio under Bellamy I think (I can see Johnson, James, and Wilson having the higher end of that under Bellamy). Then there’s the impact off the bench and from other parts of the pitch with the number 8 and full backs also pushing forward. All in all, that will be enough for a couple of goals most games. Back to Mark Harris, he had a good record in League 1 last season surpassing what Will Evans is doing this season while Mullin has only been able to impress against League 2 and youth sides to date. Bellamy’s no mug, there’s a reason why Harris is being selected ahead of other options. yes agree if the goals are spread around then someone like Harris leading the line is fine due his work rate and pressing However currently Wilson has scored 60% of our goals so if he isnt available then we are struggling my suggestion of giving Evans a go isnt to be a 20 goal a season type player,[just a goal scorer] IMO he has pace links well and I think would fit in well with what we are trying to do, Broadhead + possibly Koumas would be worth a shout there as well Brennan is the obvious to try there, but Bellamy hasnt wanting him to be on the right a dynamic typle player who will have a go |
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Post by marsvolta on Oct 18, 2024 20:00:23 GMT
I think the interest in Evans stems from the fact that he is precisely where Harris was last season. Factor in Evans meteoric rise from the Cymru Premier, through L2 to L1, and that he appears to have had success at each stage, and that is bound to pique the interest in Welsh supporters and cause us to speculate about where his ceiling may be. There's no reason not to hope he can progress like Harris. We do have some very good goal scoring attacking midfield players, and that's what's keeping us afloat at the moment, but it wouldn't do us any harm to have ammunition and options in reserve. Albeit, he is 27, and I've never seen him play. I could say with certainty Christian Doidge was never going to amount to an international footballer, when others were advocating a call up, and he played at Championship level. To be fair, Doidge was only a championship player for half a season and only scored once. Funny looking back that people on here and Twitter were saying that the only reason that Doidge was not called up was because it was a ‘closed shop’ haha. |
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Post by insertname on Oct 18, 2024 23:13:21 GMT
The problem I have with Harris is that for all the good work he might do he doesn’t offer any goal threat. We have so few goals in the side that picking a forward for the work he does creating chances for others feels slightly redundant because those others only end up missing themselves. We need to find a forward who actually has the knack of getting in position to score and the chance that Harris had he was beaten to by the defender. But the issue of course is that who else is there who is guaranteed to score goals at international level? Mullin has the attributes to perform a smiliar role in terms of all round game while possibly offering more of a goal threat but I accept that we’ll probably never see him given a chance now given his age and Moore is obviously the natural goalscorer but he doesn’t really fit anymore with Bellamy in charge. I know we don’t score many goals as it is but seeing the list of goals attributed to players posted previously was a bit of an eye opener. Dan James currently one of our top scorers with something like 7 goals from 53 caps. It’s a huge issue. I disagree with the general sentiment here and from others. There’s a desperation within almost every club fanbase to find an elusive 20-goal striker, but there aren’t as many of those around these days. I think this is an example where fans haven’t caught up with how the game’s evolved. Goals tend to be spread out much more now with teams less reliant on one or two forwards and ask them to contribute much more to buildup play. The role has completely changed. I’m not overly concerned by a lack of goals under Bellamy personally. We’ll start most games with three forwards and at least one 10 who will each have a 1 in 3 to 1 in 5 ratio under Bellamy I think (I can see Johnson, James, and Wilson having the higher end of that under Bellamy). Then there’s the impact off the bench and from other parts of the pitch with the number 8 and full backs also pushing forward. All in all, that will be enough for a couple of goals most games. Back to Mark Harris, he had a good record in League 1 last season surpassing what Will Evans is doing this season while Mullin has only been able to impress against League 2 and youth sides to date. Bellamy’s no mug, there’s a reason why Harris is being selected ahead of other options. I agree in principle about spreading goals through a side but I’m not as optimistic about the ratios, given how we have gone about missing chances under Bellamy. If my maths is rights it’s 4 games, 5 (one of which was an pen) and 3 against. There are some fine margins there especially more so now that our game plan is to take more risks with the ball in our own 3rd potentially conceding the odd calamitous goal that we have to claw back despite not being prolific ourselves. In short I don’t have much faith that given the players available we will score 2 goals in a game often given our personnel and not much faith we will keep many clean sheets either so a semi-reliable goalscorer in the team feels like an imperative |
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Post by iot on Oct 19, 2024 7:43:02 GMT
I disagree with the general sentiment here and from others. There’s a desperation within almost every club fanbase to find an elusive 20-goal striker, but there aren’t as many of those around these days. I think this is an example where fans haven’t caught up with how the game’s evolved. Goals tend to be spread out much more now with teams less reliant on one or two forwards and ask them to contribute much more to buildup play. The role has completely changed. I’m not overly concerned by a lack of goals under Bellamy personally. We’ll start most games with three forwards and at least one 10 who will each have a 1 in 3 to 1 in 5 ratio under Bellamy I think (I can see Johnson, James, and Wilson having the higher end of that under Bellamy). Then there’s the impact off the bench and from other parts of the pitch with the number 8 and full backs also pushing forward. All in all, that will be enough for a couple of goals most games. Back to Mark Harris, he had a good record in League 1 last season surpassing what Will Evans is doing this season while Mullin has only been able to impress against League 2 and youth sides to date. Bellamy’s no mug, there’s a reason why Harris is being selected ahead of other options. I agree in principle about spreading goals through a side but I’m not as optimistic about the ratios, given how we have gone about missing chances under Bellamy. If my maths is rights it’s 4 games, 5 (one of which was an pen) and 3 against. There are some fine margins there especially more so now that our game plan is to take more risks with the ball in our own 3rd potentially conceding the odd calamitous goal that we have to claw back despite not being prolific ourselves. In short I don’t have much faith that given the players available we will score 2 goals in a game often given our personnel and not much faith we will keep many clean sheets either so a semi-reliable goalscorer in the team feels like an imperative Well, if we look at individual players: Johnson is capable of scoring 10-15 in the Prem which is a much higher level than 90% of international opposition, so he has the finishing ability to produce the higher end of the ratio I suggested under Bellamy - indeed, he’s already scored 1 in about two full games under him (didn’t start in Montenegro and came off half time in Iceland). Despite struggling in the Prem, Wilson is absolutely nailing it at international level. He’s excellent at this level and Championship level, but just struggles to produce the same that one level up in the Prem. but he’s certainly capable of producing the higher end of the ratio I suggested. Dan James, similar to Wilson, is one of the top wingers in the Championship, think he scored around 20 last season. He can produce 1 in 3 under Bellamy. While these players weren’t producing that ratio under previous managers, I expect their output to increase for two reasons: they’re now in their prime and have really found their feet at international level (Wilson in particular, and I expect Johnson to get there very soon); and they will get more chances under Bellamy, and we know they have the finishing ability. I think you’re reading too much into a couple of games of football under a new manager and completely new system if you think the type of output produced in these first four games will be representative of us under Bellamy going forward. Look at the core ingredients and you’ll see everything’s in place for us to really kick on |
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Post by iot on Oct 19, 2024 9:12:47 GMT
I disagree with the general sentiment here and from others. There’s a desperation within almost every club fanbase to find an elusive 20-goal striker, but there aren’t as many of those around these days. I think this is an example where fans haven’t caught up with how the game’s evolved. Goals tend to be spread out much more now with teams less reliant on one or two forwards and ask them to contribute much more to buildup play. The role has completely changed. I’m not overly concerned by a lack of goals under Bellamy personally. We’ll start most games with three forwards and at least one 10 who will each have a 1 in 3 to 1 in 5 ratio under Bellamy I think (I can see Johnson, James, and Wilson having the higher end of that under Bellamy). Then there’s the impact off the bench and from other parts of the pitch with the number 8 and full backs also pushing forward. All in all, that will be enough for a couple of goals most games. Back to Mark Harris, he had a good record in League 1 last season surpassing what Will Evans is doing this season while Mullin has only been able to impress against League 2 and youth sides to date. Bellamy’s no mug, there’s a reason why Harris is being selected ahead of other options. I agree in principle about spreading goals through a side but I’m not as optimistic about the ratios, given how we have gone about missing chances under Bellamy. If my maths is rights it’s 4 games, 5 (one of which was an pen) and 3 against. There are some fine margins there especially more so now that our game plan is to take more risks with the ball in our own 3rd potentially conceding the odd calamitous goal that we have to claw back despite not being prolific ourselves. In short I don’t have much faith that given the players available we will score 2 goals in a game often given our personnel and not much faith we will keep many clean sheets either so a semi-reliable goalscorer in the team feels like an imperative Also, on your point about us playing with greater risk, Bellamy made a great point disputing that in one of his interviews. He mentioned that dominating the game and retaining possession is the best defence possible. Us fans understandably get jittery when we try to play through the press rather than just lumping it long when the opposition is pressing intensely. We get nervous when the keeper holds onto the ball and invites one of the forwards to press on. However, if we do it well and manage to play through the press, as well as leading to chances it also means the opposition has to drop back 10-20 yards. That means we get to dominate the game and dictate things - we can push up 10-20 yards ourselves and the game is played further from our goals. It means the opposition aren’t the ones constantly prodding and probing like we’ve been used to following Wales - we’re the ones doing that. Alternatively, if we take a more conservative approach, play with a low block and go long when we’re pressed, it means we constantly invite pressure - and it could be argued, on balance, that leads to greater risks than Bellamy’s approach. |
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