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Post by dragon64 on Oct 14, 2024 20:40:10 GMT
2 wins 2 draws  memo to FIFA/UEFA can all international games be 45 mins  |
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Post by hc16040 on Oct 14, 2024 20:40:55 GMT
Fair play to Bellemy tonight, subs have really made a difference to swing momentum back. Sheehan and Cooper really stepping up in the absence of JJ and Ampadu. When we get our best attackers back we are going to be scary.
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Post by melynwy on Oct 14, 2024 20:41:20 GMT
Second in the table, unbeaten and all in our hands to win the group. That's perfectly fine isn't it. It's where we can realistically hope to consistently be in the grand scheme of European football, competing with the likes of Turkey at the top of the 2nd tier.
There have been a few concerns, but there have been prolonged perioeds of brilliance under Bellamy too. It's such fine margins - we could so, so easily have 12 points from 12 had just two different snap decisions been made somewhere in the Turkey and Iceland game!
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Post by insertname on Oct 14, 2024 20:41:52 GMT
Whilst understandable for a scratch side the lack of co-ordination up front is frustrating. Two great chances to put the game to bed results in a combination of slow reactions and players getting in each others way. Out shooting is league 1 level at best We can play all the progressive football we want but it means nowt if we can’t capitalise on it. Not a dig at Bellamy either, there’s an improvement in chances created than under Page but we just don’t have anyone with an eye for goal. I reckon Bale would have done well as a striker if he was still about. |
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Post by neverever on Oct 14, 2024 20:43:13 GMT
Call Rob on folks on BBC Radio Wales.
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Post by conwy10 on Oct 14, 2024 20:43:14 GMT
2 wins 2 draws memo to FIFA/UEFA can all international games be 45 mins In our hands. Win our games and we're all set. |
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Post by insertname on Oct 14, 2024 20:47:41 GMT
Second in the table, unbeaten and all in our hands to win the group. That's perfectly fine isn't it. It's where we can realistically hope to consistently be in the grand scheme of European football, competing with the likes of Turkey at the top of the 2nd tier. There have been a few concerns, but there have been prolonged perioeds of brilliance under Bellamy too. It's such fine margins - we could so, so easily have 12 points from 12 had just two different snap decisions been made somewhere in the Turkey and Iceland game! I feel very confident we won’t win the group now. Needed a result for Iceland tonight. Will probably be a different game in Turkey to the home one, with the ref doing his best to ensure Turkey win. Could feasibly draw but I just don’t think we’ve got it in us currently to go to a place like that and win and given Montenegro’s dire form I don’t see them doing us a favour either. I just hope that missing out on top spot isn’t too hazardous for our qualification hopes that we look back at that Iceland second goal as the killer blow. |
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Post by melynwy on Oct 14, 2024 20:48:27 GMT
Out shooting is league 1 level at best We can play all the progressive football we want but it means nowt if we can’t capitalise on it. Not a dig at Bellamy either, there’s an improvement in chances created than under Page but we just don’t have anyone with an eye for goal. I reckon Bale would have done well as a striker if he was still about. Yeah, I don't see the point complaining about who we have available to be honest- it is what it is, The chances are being created, so the style works. If the finishing is the problem, then they wouldn't finish the chances created under any other system either. I feel that we are creating A LOT of chances under Bellamy, and that's all you can do really - the final shot is down to a striker's instinct, talent and reaction, and that's beyond the system. Unfortunately it does seem quite a drop in players able to finish anything other than straightforward chances other than Johnson, Wilson, Brooks and Dan James on occasion. |
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Post by conwy10 on Oct 14, 2024 20:48:48 GMT
He's been playing for us since 2013, when he looked pretty ordinary and couldn't get anywhere near the senior Liverpool squad. Think it was generally assumed he was going to be destined to plying his trade in the lower leagues, he's become arguably our best player. Ah fair point then mate. My recollection is that he was hyped up (as we do!) whilst at Liverpool and wasn’t out of place at international level. But my recollection has been proven to be poor previously so I accept your example! Being honest, when Page kept going with Bale, Ramsey and Wilson I thought Wilson was completely anonymous. Would rather he was on the bench. Now though, wow! He's getting Bale statistics. |
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Post by dragon64 on Oct 14, 2024 20:52:45 GMT
2 wins 2 draws memo to FIFA/UEFA can all international games be 45 mins In our hands. Win our games and we're all set. The game away at Turkey will be a cracker can't see Bellamy going defensive so it will be a fun watch...as they will go for it and we will too and that IMO is what football should be about Hopefully Dan James is back by then as he would be a great outlet in this system, and the other players who are in squad now but just coming back from injury are also getting game time bonus for me is virtually the whole squad is getting game time not the usual 13/14 under Page, will stand us in good stead later on as the players are getting a chance and must feel valued next up Turkey away 16/11/24 Iceland home 19/11/24 |
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Post by insertname on Oct 14, 2024 20:56:55 GMT
We can play all the progressive football we want but it means nowt if we can’t capitalise on it. Not a dig at Bellamy either, there’s an improvement in chances created than under Page but we just don’t have anyone with an eye for goal. I reckon Bale would have done well as a striker if he was still about. Yeah, I don't see the point complaining about who we have available to be honest- it is what it is, The chances are being created, so the style works. If the finishing is the problem, then they wouldn't finish the chances created under any other system either. I feel that we are creating A LOT of chances under Bellamy, and that's all you can do really - the final shot is down to a striker's instinct, talent and reaction, and that's beyond the system. Unfortunately it does seem quite a drop in players able to finish anything other than straightforward chances other than Johnson, Wilson, Brooks and Dan James on occasion. Yeah that’s my point, not knocking the style of football (although I think it doesn’t help at times as we can get a bit pedestrian where we don’t move the opposition about fast enough). We just don’t have goalscorers and to be honest I’d include everyone in that, bar Moore (who doesn’t suit that style) and Johnson. Maybe I’m expecting too much of Harris but I thought he should have been up with play and anticipated that cross rather than being a yard behind the defender. Couple of big chances for us in the second half too with poor execution. |
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Post by melynwy on Oct 14, 2024 20:58:19 GMT
In our hands. Win our games and we're all set. The game away at Turkey will be a cracker can't see Bellamy going defensive so it will be a fun watch...as they will go for it and we will too and that IMO is what football should be about Hopefully Dan James is back by then as he would be a great outlet in this system, and the other players who are in squad now but just coming back from injury are also getting game time next up Turkey away 16/11/24 Iceland home 19/11/24 Yeah, I have to admit I'm quite excited by all this. I think Bellamy's system really complements a lot of our players (and most of our best players) - Wilson, Ampadu, James, Brooks, Johnson, Davies, Neco and, despite his age, Allen. It's a system that doesn't rely on maverick individual talents, but rather on intelligent and technical team play that relies on good first touch and quick-thinking which, when fit, suits those players. It's a different story when they're tired though! I think we have the core group to do it very well and to be very competitive. Sustainability and consistency are key though, and the fairly steep drop-off after those key players above is more than a small concern. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 14, 2024 21:00:04 GMT
Darlow
Neco
Mepham
Rodon
Davies
Ampadu
Wilson
Ramsey
Brooks
Brennan
James
This lineup with the current style of play would be very exciting to watch, and I'd fancy us against some good sides with these boys out on the pitch
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Post by neverever on Oct 14, 2024 21:01:29 GMT
Ah fair point then mate. My recollection is that he was hyped up (as we do!) whilst at Liverpool and wasn’t out of place at international level. But my recollection has been proven to be poor previously so I accept your example! Being honest, when Page kept going with Bale, Ramsey and Wilson I thought Wilson was completely anonymous. Would rather he was on the bench. Now though, wow! He's getting Bale statistics. Bellamy has probably taken Harry under his wing and his performances have improved significantly... |
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Post by aberbeeg on Oct 14, 2024 21:03:13 GMT
Unbeaten and at times it’s defo edge of your seat stuff but very happy with Bellamy so far. Thinks he has made us a hell of a lot more professional not just on the field but also from the outside.
Could he be the Welsh Pep ?
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Post by winsumluzsum on Oct 14, 2024 21:07:50 GMT
The biggest positive tonight was the performance of Sheehan, rightly given MOTM by OTJ, for a consistent 90 minutes performance. Didn't look at all out of place. Deserved a pre-assist for that superb through ball for Neco who produced that low cross across the edge of the 6 yard box. Gives us vital cover in a position where our numbers are low. If both are available I'd select him ahead of James for the Turkiye game.
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Post by winsumluzsum on Oct 14, 2024 21:26:50 GMT
One disappointment tonight was our efforts from set pieces, especially corners. 9 corners without threatening the goal once, against a side that have conceded 3 times from corners in this campaign.
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Post by welshwhite on Oct 14, 2024 21:33:55 GMT
Bet there are a few Sheehan bashers eating humble pie tonight !
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Post by quetzal on Oct 14, 2024 21:35:58 GMT
Bet there are a few Sheehan bashers eating humble pie tonight ! Really? I haven’t seen much of that on here. |
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Post by fireboy0610 on Oct 14, 2024 21:36:14 GMT
I don't want to throw a spanner in the works but we have only beaten montenegro and just both times.
Hopefully we will have d james back along with brennan and jordan so we can hopefully give turkey a game 🤞
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Post by adecolley on Oct 14, 2024 21:38:28 GMT
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 14, 2024 21:55:46 GMT
Funnily enough I'm not that scared of Turkey away. They seem to blow hot & cold. They didn't impress me much in the CCS. Yes they will be better when they are at home, but they will come onto us more and leave spaces. Would love to be able to pick DJ, Brennan & Brooks for that one
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Post by dai on Oct 14, 2024 22:03:03 GMT
Just watched the second half back as I had to pop out half time. I think we did much better sort of closing off the game than in the previous 3 matches.
Sheehan did surprisingly well and deserved motm. Harry Wilson's really grown into a bit of a team leader hasn't he? Proper stepping into Ramsey's/Bale's shoes.
Lovely to see Allen back, didn't look out of place at all, but obviously bigger tests to come.
But jesus wept, why are we so poor in the final third? I've never seen so much dithering and goal shy ness from international footballers. It was genuinely like watching Sunday League at times with the constant extra touches, panicking and just the general lack of composure around and inside the box. Something to really work on, as failing to score a goal from open play tonight was incredibly poor considering the opportunities we created!
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Post by surge on Oct 14, 2024 22:03:34 GMT
It was okay. Think it 7 changes from the last side which always sees some level of disconnection, especially when a few were stepping up quite a level - either from their regular club standard or because of how new they are to international football, but we got the win and Bellamy got to work with some players who will be important leaders going forward and some who will be important depth going forward.
Depending on what Davies and Ampadu's longer term future is, we seem a little short at CB all of a sudden. I thought Cabango was solid on his return to the side which was really pleasing. Mark Harris a little less sure, we are also a little short of depth at CF, but he worked hard and had some nice moments.
Plenty of positives comments for Sheehan already but that was definitely his best game in a Wales shirt so far. You can see why he's never too far away from a call up despite lower level of club status.
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Post by surge on Oct 14, 2024 22:04:54 GMT
P.s. I wonder if the American Fulham fan and his family enjoyed themselves?
I hope they could see that opposite then there was a "Fulham Welsh" flag in corner and they got to enjoy a big performance from Harry Wilson.
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Post by iot on Oct 14, 2024 22:17:56 GMT
I mean isn't Harry Wilson a great example of a player who dropped down a level to get experience before becoming top-class which he is now? Had he played much for Wales and not looked very good before dropping down? That’s my point, it’s less about droppibn down a level and more about not looking great in a Wales shirt, then dropping a level, hitting form and *then-* coming back into the fold and then looking “up to” international level. I don’t think there were any doubts that Wilson would be a good player for Wales That’s a strange take on Mark Harris. He didn’t play for us much at all when he was involved under Page. Think he made 3 or 4 substitute appearances where notably he had an excellent impact out in Belarus where he was key in overturning a 2-1 loss into a 3-2 win. He then dropped out because he wasn’t doing well enough at club level, it has since improved and merited a call up. All that said, I think he struggled to make an impact tonight unfortunately |
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Post by dragon64 on Oct 14, 2024 22:33:40 GMT
Being honest, when Page kept going with Bale, Ramsey and Wilson I thought Wilson was completely anonymous. Would rather he was on the bench. Now though, wow! He's getting Bale statistics. Bellamy has probably taken Harry under his wing and his performances have improved significantly... wilson has been our best player for a few years now IMO he is now showing the leadership Bellamy spoke of, so I believe that is what we are seeing now |
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Post by dragon64 on Oct 14, 2024 22:38:23 GMT
Darlow Neco Mepham Rodon Davies Ampadu Wilson Ramsey Brooks Brennan James This lineup with the current style of play would be very exciting to watch, and I'd fancy us against some good sides with these boys out on the pitch Ramsey as an 8 is a no for me JJ has to be in that starting XI I thought Cabango played really well today so Mepham's place is under threat there too
front 3 I would like to see that tried out |
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Post by jono on Oct 14, 2024 22:42:05 GMT
Kev did well when he came on mopping things up, fair play.
Could've had 3 or 4 first half. Should've been over at half time really. Hopefully we'll get a few players back for the next 2 games and go on and win the group.
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Post by ddirpytnop on Oct 14, 2024 22:42:49 GMT
When a team is as dominant as we were in the first half, you'd normally say that everyone appeared to have a decent game. But on this occasion, the disparity in ability between our better players and the poorer ones was all too evident. And it's not even a question of the level at which the players play. Sheehan looked every inch an international player, despite playing in league 1. Others who play at a higher level did not.
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