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Post by rushy on Oct 3, 2024 12:39:26 GMT
I'd consider Neco as centre mid, very mobile , can go up and down , nothing to lose. We need to learn from the Trent / England debacle that just because a full back can invert well, it doesn't mean that they can out right be a CM, there's more to it than a full back is capable (aside from Phillip Lahm) He's not exactly a reliable FB either imo, how long will Joe last ? |
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Post by jbt95 on Oct 3, 2024 16:13:52 GMT
this is also a 25 man squad this time around, it was 23 before It was a camp of 25 named for September but UEFA relegations are a matchday squad of 23. |
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Post by surge on Oct 3, 2024 16:22:12 GMT
Think Bellamy described using these games to introduce his ideas.
It's also introducing international football to him and his team. Very rarely will we have all the players we want fit and available and we need to find a way.
Looking forward to seeing how things are developing.
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Post by cadno on Oct 3, 2024 16:33:59 GMT
We need to learn from the Trent / England debacle that just because a full back can invert well, it doesn't mean that they can out right be a CM, there's more to it than a full back is capable (aside from Phillip Lahm) He's not exactly a reliable FB either imo, how long will Joe last ? Neco looked good there vs France until he got harshly sent off. Connor was appearing in midfield a lot vs Montenegro and looked good; thought him going off was part of the reason we struggled a bit afterwards |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 3, 2024 22:21:04 GMT
We need to learn from the Trent / England debacle that just because a full back can invert well, it doesn't mean that they can out right be a CM, there's more to it than a full back is capable (aside from Phillip Lahm) He's not exactly a reliable FB either imo, how long will Joe last ? He's a regular starter for Liverpool over the past 5 years, winning the CL and PL. You can't get much more reliable than that haha |
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Post by dragon64 on Oct 3, 2024 23:16:49 GMT
He's not exactly a reliable FB either imo, how long will Joe last ? Neco looked good there vs France until he got harshly sent off. Connor was appearing in midfield a lot vs Montenegro and looked good; thought him going off was part of the reason we struggled a bit afterwards its an option but not something I would like to see us using as Plan A using inverted WB/FBs is a great way to supplement the CM and both Neco and CR look comfortable doing it but if Neco is used in midfield that will be his 4th positional change in 3 games  |
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Post by dragon64 on Oct 5, 2024 19:04:56 GMT
See Joe Allen didnt get any game time today
Brooks got a short cameo [came on 81 mins]
Harry wilson didnt get on the pitch
RND [came on 70 mins]
Keifer started
Burns started
JJ on bench for Rennes
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Post by rushy on Oct 6, 2024 9:56:53 GMT
It's incredible how much influence Spitter Pep Guardiola has had on the game over the last few years, but who really has benefited from the changes in systems and style , suddenly GK's are supposedly skillful ball playing footballers who can hit 60 yard passes that land on a sixpence, except they cant.
Watching brainwashed coaches of all standards play suicide football where system is everything instead of actual playing to win games is utterly ridiculous, and is making fools of lesser quality players who make catastrophic mistakes costing teams results with dire consequences for the club should they be relegated or lose a trophy final.
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Post by rushy on Oct 6, 2024 9:57:55 GMT
He's not exactly a reliable FB either imo, how long will Joe last ? He's a regular starter for Liverpool over the past 5 years, winning the CL and PL. You can't get much more reliable than that haha I'm talking about Neco . |
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Post by dragon64 on Oct 6, 2024 18:29:57 GMT
Ben Davies not even on bench today is he suspended or has a knock?
Brennan scores again and played the 90 so in really top form coming into these games
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Post by dragonsoccer on Oct 6, 2024 18:36:00 GMT
Ben Davies, not been involved in the matchday with Spurs (last 3 EPL games)
already arrived in camp this afternoon
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Post by underwood on Oct 6, 2024 19:17:52 GMT
Ben Davies, not been involved in the matchday with Spurs (last 3 EPL games) already arrived in camp this afternoon Well they could have done with him in the second half today. More fool Ange. |
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Post by iot on Oct 6, 2024 21:30:01 GMT
It's incredible how much influence Spitter Pep Guardiola has had on the game over the last few years, but who really has benefited from the changes in systems and style , suddenly GK's are supposedly skillful ball playing footballers who can hit 60 yard passes that land on a sixpence, except they cant. Watching brainwashed coaches of all standards play suicide football where system is everything instead of actual playing to win games is utterly ridiculous, and is making fools of lesser quality players who make catastrophic mistakes costing teams results with dire consequences for the club should they be relegated or lose a trophy final. I’m sorry, but this is just nonsense. What’s the criticism of Guardiola here? That he’s introduced several innovations and a new philosophy that others have felt compelled to copy because of its success? Why should he be criticised for that? It’s not brainwashing is it and it’s not suicide football, don’t be daft. Every coach will primarily act in their own self interest. They’re not adopting these practices out of a principled position. They’re doing it because it’s one of the more recent successes in football’s ever-evolving tactical understanding. Managers are only asking GKs to take part in build-up play because they recognize that not to do so would put them at a disadvantage. You would essentially have a team of 11 ballplayers against a team of 10. Danny Ward’s performance against Turkey was a great example which I feel a lot of people misunderstood. Bellamy expects his keeper to be involved in the initial build-up to draw out one of their players so that we have an extra man further up the field. Ward was clearly instructed not to release the ball until he got pressed by one of the opposition. Lots of people seemed to think he was being indecisive, but that wasn’t the case. I’m sure you would call that suicidal and think Bellamy is brainwashed, but it was a key factor in us being able to dominate that game. |
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Post by fireboy0610 on Oct 6, 2024 21:56:39 GMT
It's incredible how much influence Spitter Pep Guardiola has had on the game over the last few years, but who really has benefited from the changes in systems and style , suddenly GK's are supposedly skillful ball playing footballers who can hit 60 yard passes that land on a sixpence, except they cant. Watching brainwashed coaches of all standards play suicide football where system is everything instead of actual playing to win games is utterly ridiculous, and is making fools of lesser quality players who make catastrophic mistakes costing teams results with dire consequences for the club should they be relegated or lose a trophy final. I’m sorry, but this is just nonsense. What’s the criticism of Guardiola here? That he’s introduced several innovations and a new philosophy that others have felt compelled to copy because of its success? Why should he be criticised for that? It’s not brainwashing is it and it’s not suicide football, don’t be daft. Every coach will primarily act in their own self interest. They’re not adopting these practices out of a principled position. They’re doing it because it’s one of the more recent successes in football’s ever-evolving tactical understanding. Managers are only asking GKs to take part in build-up play because they recognize that not to do so would put them at a disadvantage. You would essentially have a team of 11 ballplayers against a team of 10. Danny Ward’s performance against Turkey was a great example which I feel a lot of people misunderstood. Bellamy expects his keeper to be involved in the initial build-up to draw out one of their players so that we have an extra man further up the field. Ward was clearly instructed not to release the ball until he got pressed by one of the opposition. Lots of people seemed to think he was being indecisive, but that wasn’t the case. I’m sure you would call that suicidal and think Bellamy is brainwashed, but it was a key factor in us being able to dominate that game. 👏👏👏 |
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Post by morg on Oct 6, 2024 21:57:17 GMT
Ben Davies, not been involved in the matchday with Spurs (last 3 EPL games) already arrived in camp this afternoon Well they could have done with him in the second half today. More fool Ange. He's had 3 full games since Montenegro. He'll get another 2 or 3 before our November games and then Spurs have 8 games in December. He'll be fine. |
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Post by dragon64 on Oct 7, 2024 0:09:30 GMT
Well they could have done with him in the second half today. More fool Ange. He's had 3 full games since Montenegro. He'll get another 2 or 3 before our November games and then Spurs have 8 games in December. He'll be fine. He will be entering the last six months of his contract then, I think I saw Leicester want him on a free, if he does run his contract down there will be no shortage of offers for him |
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Post by jbt95 on Oct 7, 2024 7:41:55 GMT
He's had 3 full games since Montenegro. He'll get another 2 or 3 before our November games and then Spurs have 8 games in December. He'll be fine. if he does run his contract down Spurs have already said Ben Davies is not getting a new deal. |
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Post by rushy on Oct 8, 2024 15:08:58 GMT
It's incredible how much influence Spitter Pep Guardiola has had on the game over the last few years, but who really has benefited from the changes in systems and style , suddenly GK's are supposedly skillful ball playing footballers who can hit 60 yard passes that land on a sixpence, except they cant. Watching brainwashed coaches of all standards play suicide football where system is everything instead of actual playing to win games is utterly ridiculous, and is making fools of lesser quality players who make catastrophic mistakes costing teams results with dire consequences for the club should they be relegated or lose a trophy final. I’m sorry, but this is just nonsense. What’s the criticism of Guardiola here? That he’s introduced several innovations and a new philosophy that others have felt compelled to copy because of its success? Why should he be criticised for that? It’s not brainwashing is it and it’s not suicide football, don’t be daft. Every coach will primarily act in their own self interest. They’re not adopting these practices out of a principled position. They’re doing it because it’s one of the more recent successes in football’s ever-evolving tactical understanding. Managers are only asking GKs to take part in build-up play because they recognize that not to do so would put them at a disadvantage. You would essentially have a team of 11 ballplayers against a team of 10. Danny Ward’s performance against Turkey was a great example which I feel a lot of people misunderstood. Bellamy expects his keeper to be involved in the initial build-up to draw out one of their players so that we have an extra man further up the field. Ward was clearly instructed not to release the ball until he got pressed by one of the opposition. Lots of people seemed to think he was being indecisive, but that wasn’t the case. I’m sure you would call that suicidal and think Bellamy is brainwashed, but it was a key factor in us being able to dominate that game. Let's see which clubs get relegated in the EPL this season. |
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Post by rushy on Oct 8, 2024 15:18:09 GMT
Ben Davies, not been involved in the matchday with Spurs (last 3 EPL games) already arrived in camp this afternoon Well they could have done with him in the second half today. More fool Ange. Ange is another out of his depth . |
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Post by manulike on Oct 8, 2024 16:53:24 GMT
dragonsoccer reporting that Charlie Savage seen training with the big boys today. I'd like to think that he will be involved next week v Montenegro and stays in Newport for the Czhcia game |
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Post by dragon64 on Oct 8, 2024 18:13:45 GMT
dragonsoccer reporting that Charlie Savage seen training with the big boys today. I'd like to think that he will be involved next week v Montenegro and stays in Newport for the Czhcia game yes lets hope so |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 9, 2024 21:19:08 GMT
Guesses at the lineups? I think with the away game being the tougher of the two fixtures we'll see a stronger side away...
vs Iceland
Ward
Connor-Rodon-Davies-Neco
Sheehan
Wilson-JJ
Brooks-Brennan-Sorba
Subs: Allen, Beck, Cooper, Harris/Moore, Koumas
vs Montenegro
Darlow
Connor-Rodon-Davies-Beck
Sheehan
Wilson-Cooper
Burns-Brennan-Koumas
Subs: RND, Allen, Neco, Broadhead, Harris/Moore
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Post by hooky on Oct 9, 2024 21:32:48 GMT
Please no Sheehan. I know we have injuries but goodness those two friendlies showed why he should not be within 100 miles of international football. He was exactly of the standard of the league he plays in
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Post by fireboy0610 on Oct 9, 2024 21:42:44 GMT
Please no Sheehan. I know we have injuries but goodness those two friendlies showed why he should not be within 100 miles of international football. He was exactly of the standard of the league he plays in Remember he was playing under page, bellamy is a total different manager, a positive one. |
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Post by iot on Oct 9, 2024 21:50:52 GMT
Guesses at the lineups? I think with the away game being the tougher of the two fixtures we'll see a stronger side away... vs Iceland Ward Connor-Rodon-Davies-Neco Sheehan Wilson-JJ Brooks-Brennan-Sorba Subs: Allen, Beck, Cooper, Harris/Moore, Koumas vs Montenegro Darlow Connor-Rodon-Davies-Beck Sheehan Wilson-Cooper Burns-Brennan-Koumas Subs: RND, Allen, Neco, Broadhead, Harris/Moore I think Bellamy will want Johnson wide right. He might put Wilson in the Ramsey false 9 role and play Cooper next to JJ |
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Post by dragon64 on Oct 9, 2024 21:55:35 GMT
Guesses at the lineups? I think with the away game being the tougher of the two fixtures we'll see a stronger side away... vs Iceland Ward Connor-Rodon-Davies-Neco Sheehan Wilson-JJ Brooks-Brennan-Sorba Subs: Allen, Beck, Cooper, Harris/Moore, Koumas vs Montenegro Darlow Connor-Rodon-Davies-Beck Sheehan Wilson-Cooper Burns-Brennan-Koumas Subs: RND, Allen, Neco, Broadhead, Harris/Moore There are a few problems for Bellamy to address dont think connor has played since the injury, several players who missed first squad are coming back from injury etc CM looks really short of players who can start an International game, does he give Brennan the central position up top, does he rotate the keeper until he settles on his no.1? and we have to factor in Bellamy himself, I didnt see the changes coming for the Montenegro game, think he will pick teams based on the opposition and not be picking the same players no matter what so its exciting in that respect and a lot of players will get used with a high tempo game plan I think I remember Matty Smith say Beck would return to U21 unless there were fitness/injury concerns in main squad[on feast of football podcast] Iceland game I am going 4-2-3-1 Ward Connor-Rodon-Davies-Neco Cooper-JJ Brennan-Brooks- Wilson Moore
[my attack would be Brooks/Wilson/Koumas Brennan false 9]
I have a feeling Broadhead will be used as that false 9 in the home game if he is fit would rather it be Brennan but I can see him being tried there
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Post by dragon64 on Oct 9, 2024 21:58:38 GMT
Please no Sheehan. I know we have injuries but goodness those two friendlies showed why he should not be within 100 miles of international football. He was exactly of the standard of the league he plays in Remember he was playing under page, bellamy is a total different manager, a positive one. yes and we are not flush with options there, if U21s didnt have a big game savage would be there, but is he an international CM yet, no IMO but he has potential to be a squad player for us at this stage but I like Sheehan and if used with right players around him, and in set up as Bellamy wants to use again IMO he could do a job for us |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 10, 2024 10:19:41 GMT
Please no Sheehan. I know we have injuries but goodness those two friendlies showed why he should not be within 100 miles of international football. He was exactly of the standard of the league he plays in If you use those friendlies to analyse any of our squad then none of them should be playing international football - which we know isn't true. Who is better than Sheehan to start these next games?? There's no one |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Oct 10, 2024 10:27:07 GMT
Please no Sheehan. I know we have injuries but goodness those two friendlies showed why he should not be within 100 miles of international football. He was exactly of the standard of the league he plays in If you use those friendlies to analyse any of our squad then none of them should be playing international football - which we know isn't true. Who is better than Sheehan to start these next games?? There's no one Exactly. Morrell has done a decent job for us overall, despite playing mostly at league one level. Sheehan is a better player than Morrell and should be suited to international football. My only concern would be that he may be lacking in pace. |
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Post by hooky on Oct 10, 2024 10:29:39 GMT
Please no Sheehan. I know we have injuries but goodness those two friendlies showed why he should not be within 100 miles of international football. He was exactly of the standard of the league he plays in If you use those friendlies to analyse any of our squad then none of them should be playing international football - which we know isn't true. Who is better than Sheehan to start these next games?? There's no one He had a big opportunity and he looked no better than the players in the Gibraltar side Against Slovakia I just cannot forget two incidences where he was in a very advanced position and had one of two players ahead of him with a bit of space close to the box. He turned around and passed it back - there was no one near him. He is not the biggest and not a defensive minded midfielder - so I am sorry but this is no better than having Morrell in that position (who did OK for a few games until teams targeted him). I respect people having a different opinion but a weakness like this gives an in to teams like Montenegro and especially Iceland to exploit weaknesses to get a win, in my opinion. |
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