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Post by insertname on Nov 16, 2024 17:53:11 GMT
It’s weird, under Page I’d say 0-0 against Turkey with a backs to the wall performance at half time would be a good result. But knowing that Bellamy looks to dominate possession knowing that we’re 0-0 at half time because of luck makes it a different picture and in some ways worse than a Page game because the intended returns were greater.
I hope second half we just dig in and don’t get beaten now. Top of the group is gone but avoiding defeat could be good psychologically for us in the long run.
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Post by dragon64 on Nov 16, 2024 17:53:20 GMT
We've spurned at least two excellent counters through delayed passes from Harris and Sorba. For all Turkiye's dominance they've only had one clear chance. correct, but the moaners are out in force tonight....we might see Bellamy out before long  and wilson hits the post |
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Post by rushy on Nov 16, 2024 17:54:36 GMT
Unlucky Wilson
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Post by insertname on Nov 16, 2024 17:56:53 GMT
We've spurned at least two excellent counters through delayed passes from Harris and Sorba. For all Turkiye's dominance they've only had one clear chance. correct, but the moaners are out in force tonight....we might see Bellamy out before long and wilson hits the post I’m a proud moaner 😂 but. I don’t want Bellamy out, just some pragmatism. I feel like Turkey have forced some pragmatism down Bellamy’s throat this half and that’s good. Every manager eventually comes up against the wall where their idealism meets reality and they have to adjust. I feel like that’s tonight for Bellamy. Let’s get out of here with a point and re-assess and re-group |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 16, 2024 17:56:55 GMT
It's not 0-0 due to luck. They've had 1 chance of note for all their pressure, we've been resilient and hit the post. They're on top but they shouldn't feel hard done by for not being ahead
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Post by jimexotic on Nov 16, 2024 17:57:03 GMT
Harry Wilson has been the one threat we've had with a bit of composure about him, that and Mark Harris suddenly unlocking his inner Messi to set him up. A very messy first half, our passing and movement hasn't been good enough and the Turks have been their usual niggly, moany selves.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 16, 2024 17:58:52 GMT
The main issue for me is that the ball isn't sticking to Brennan, Harris & Sorba enough, it's causing all of the pressure
If they could all hold up the ball for longer then we'd be able to get out more. DJ for Sorba is the change to make for me, time to make them worry about the space behind them
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Post by rushy on Nov 16, 2024 17:59:31 GMT
Considering how that half went I'll take it 0-0.
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Post by winsumluzsum on Nov 16, 2024 18:00:01 GMT
Although Turkiye have had 12 shots and 3 on target 8 of those shots have been from outside the box and their xG is only 0.85. The best chances have been the one on one with Darlow, Wilson hitting the post and James' offside goal.
We're still in this, but need to be more decisive in attack.
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Post by iot on Nov 16, 2024 18:00:47 GMT
It’s weird, under Page I’d say 0-0 against Turkey with a backs to the wall performance at half time would be a good result. But knowing that Bellamy looks to dominate possession knowing that we’re 0-0 at half time because of luck makes it a different picture and in some ways worse than a Page game because the intended returns were greater. I hope second half we just dig in and don’t get beaten now. Top of the group is gone but avoiding defeat could be good psychologically for us in the long run. Bloody hell give it a rest. We look to impose ourselves on the opposition as much as possible , but we’re hardly going to succeed to dominate against every side we play. So by your logic, next time we’re up against Spain/Italy/England or whoever, if we don’t dominate the game it should be seen as a failure? You’re just trying to set him up to fail for some weird reason |
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Post by insertname on Nov 16, 2024 18:01:17 GMT
It's not 0-0 due to luck. They've had 1 chance of note for all their pressure, we've been resilient and hit the post. They're on top but they shouldn't feel hard done by for not being ahead You say that but I watched Colombia vs Uruguay last night and I had money on Colombia and felt tickety boo at halt time because Uruguay had a lot of pressure but no clear chances so I felt they would hold out. Uruguay eventually won the game in part because they inexplicably sharpened up in the second half. So beware a side that has the best of a first half but where it’s not necessarily reflected on the score sheet |
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Post by dragon64 on Nov 16, 2024 18:03:27 GMT
correct, but the moaners are out in force tonight....we might see Bellamy out before long and wilson hits the post I’m a proud moaner 😂 but. I don’t want Bellamy out, just some pragmatism. I feel like Turkey have forced some pragmatism down Bellamy’s throat this half and that’s good. Every manager eventually comes up against the wall where their idealism meets reality and they have to adjust. I feel like that’s tonight for Bellamy. Let’s get out of here with a point and re-assess and re-group nothing wrong with a moan but 0-0 at Ht we are lucky to be still in the game as they have dominated,but so did we in the reverse fixture at this stage[but they havent had that many clear chances] we do need to re group for sure but I see it as an opportunity to go and actually win this, bring pace on and use it on the counter I doubt Bellamy will settle for the draw at this stage and I respect him for that, hope he addresses the petulance he has done it twice so he should have a huge kick up the arse |
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Post by iot on Nov 16, 2024 18:03:33 GMT
I’ve been really impressed by Turkey - I think they’ve looked every bit the top European side that went through to the quarter finals of the Euros just a few weeks ago. They’ve been by far the best team in this game, but equally I think we’ve played well. There’s no shame in that performance at all
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Post by welshwhite on Nov 16, 2024 18:06:13 GMT
Irks me say, but 5 at the back please second half, Mepham or Cabango on. Nico needs help on our left side and Ben need to relinquish his central role to provide more cover.
DJ and Brooks on at 60 mins for Sorba and Harris. Brennan needs to calm the F down. He could still be our match winner given the right service.
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Post by insertname on Nov 16, 2024 18:06:25 GMT
It’s weird, under Page I’d say 0-0 against Turkey with a backs to the wall performance at half time would be a good result. But knowing that Bellamy looks to dominate possession knowing that we’re 0-0 at half time because of luck makes it a different picture and in some ways worse than a Page game because the intended returns were greater. I hope second half we just dig in and don’t get beaten now. Top of the group is gone but avoiding defeat could be good psychologically for us in the long run. Bloody hell give it a rest. We look to impose ourselves on the opposition as much as possible , but we’re hardly going to succeed to dominate against every side we play. So by your logic, next time we’re up against Spain/Italy/England or whoever, if we don’t dominate the game it should be seen as a failure? You’re just trying to set him up to fail for some weird reason Ffs you’d happily have us spraying passes around our 6 yard box wouldn’t you. Top level football doesn’t work like that for teams of our ability level and we’ve created pressure unduly by trying to play in a way that is not conducive to a top of the table clash in a place like Turkey. It says it all that for all Bellamy’s talk he’s been caged into a Page-esque performance. Holding on for dear life clearly against his game plan because he has realised that it’s not as easy as talking a good game. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 16, 2024 18:06:29 GMT
I’ve been really impressed by Turkey - I think they’ve looked every bit the top European side that went through to the quarter finals of the Euros just a few weeks ago. They’ve been by far the best team in this game, but equally I think we’ve played well. There’s no shame in that performance at all Agree they've done well. They've done to us what we did to them in the first game, albeit we created more in my opinion. Despite that it's 59%-41% possession. Shows they're in control but it's not utter domination without us having a kick. We have a foothold in the game |
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Post by dragon64 on Nov 16, 2024 18:08:02 GMT
The main issue for me is that the ball isn't sticking to Brennan, Harris & Sorba enough, it's causing all of the pressure If they could all hold up the ball for longer then we'd be able to get out more. DJ for Sorba is the change to make for me, time to make them worry about the space behind them spot on,brooks for Brennan too would like to see Koumas come on at some stage but lets see how it goes lets come out positive and push them back wilson and Dan to score on the counter   |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 16, 2024 18:08:46 GMT
Bloody hell give it a rest. We look to impose ourselves on the opposition as much as possible , but we’re hardly going to succeed to dominate against every side we play. So by your logic, next time we’re up against Spain/Italy/England or whoever, if we don’t dominate the game it should be seen as a failure? You’re just trying to set him up to fail for some weird reason Ffs you’d happily have us spraying passes around our 6 yard box wouldn’t you. Top level football doesn’t work like that for teams of our ability level and we’ve created pressure unduly by trying to play in a way that is not conducive to a top of the table clash in a place like Turkey. It says it all that for all Bellamy’s talk he’s been caged into a Page-esque performance. Holding on for dear life clearly against his game plan because he has realised that it’s not as easy as talking a good game. Aside from that one shaky moment we haven't gotten into trouble by overplaying at the back. The issue has been when we go long we're losing it too quickly and too often |
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Post by insertname on Nov 16, 2024 18:09:11 GMT
I’ve been really impressed by Turkey - I think they’ve looked every bit the top European side that went through to the quarter finals of the Euros just a few weeks ago. They’ve been by far the best team in this game, but equally I think we’ve played well. There’s no shame in that performance at all Fuck me nobody saw that coming did they? 🙄 6/7 wins at home since they beat us last and Bellamy thinks we’re going to stroll into town and show them who’s boss. This is exactly why I espoused pragmatism and what we’ve ended up with is enforced pragmatism due to the pressure we’re under. I love how low your standards are if you think we’ve played well. Playing well under Bellamy by definition is using the ball a lot better and having more possession than we have which clearly we’ve not done. Honestly, it’s incredible the mental gymnastics going on here to justify naive football. |
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Post by dragon64 on Nov 16, 2024 18:10:30 GMT
Dan is on
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Post by iot on Nov 16, 2024 18:11:20 GMT
Bloody hell give it a rest. We look to impose ourselves on the opposition as much as possible , but we’re hardly going to succeed to dominate against every side we play. So by your logic, next time we’re up against Spain/Italy/England or whoever, if we don’t dominate the game it should be seen as a failure? You’re just trying to set him up to fail for some weird reason Ffs you’d happily have us spraying passes around our 6 yard box wouldn’t you. Top level football doesn’t work like that for teams of our ability level and we’ve created pressure unduly by trying to play in a way that is not conducive to a top of the table clash in a place like Turkey. It says it all that for all Bellamy’s talk he’s been caged into a Page-esque performance. Holding on for dear life clearly against his game plan because he has realised that it’s not as easy as talking a good game. Now you’re just coming out with the lazy tropes showing zero understanding of the way we’re playing |
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Post by insertname on Nov 16, 2024 18:12:44 GMT
Ffs you’d happily have us spraying passes around our 6 yard box wouldn’t you. Top level football doesn’t work like that for teams of our ability level and we’ve created pressure unduly by trying to play in a way that is not conducive to a top of the table clash in a place like Turkey. It says it all that for all Bellamy’s talk he’s been caged into a Page-esque performance. Holding on for dear life clearly against his game plan because he has realised that it’s not as easy as talking a good game. Now you’re just coming out with the lazy tropes showing zero understanding of the way we’re playing Likewise. Enjoy your emperor’s new clothes, they fit you a treat |
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Post by insertname on Nov 16, 2024 18:16:05 GMT
I shall just add Turkey had 59% possession that half. So for Bellamy and his intentions that’s a Page-esque return however you slice it
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Post by neverever on Nov 16, 2024 18:17:39 GMT
Never a dull moment under Bellamy its compulsive viewing for sure.
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Post by dragon64 on Nov 16, 2024 18:17:39 GMT
Brennan through the middle wanted to see him there...but a lucky boy to be given the chance
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Post by dragon64 on Nov 16, 2024 18:18:57 GMT
Never a dull moment under Bellamy its compulsive viewing. its another good game to watch  |
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Post by rushy on Nov 16, 2024 18:20:56 GMT
The pressing from them is relentless, but we are not helping ourselves.
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Post by dai on Nov 16, 2024 18:21:14 GMT
So the Turkish players are now allowed to foul at will?? They’re getting a lot of decisions here.
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Post by insertname on Nov 16, 2024 18:22:56 GMT
So the Turkish players are now allowed to foul at will?? They’re getting a lot of decisions here. It’s one of the worst places to go in UEF/ because of the vociferous crowd. If you draw Turkey you have to accept that you’ll get bummed by the ref in the away leg. For people like iot that’s partly why I’m fed up. You have to play a certain way in Turkey and I feel under Bellamy we’ve been very naive. |
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Post by rushy on Nov 16, 2024 18:25:15 GMT
One footed Wilson there.
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