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Post by abwales on Mar 30, 2015 15:18:03 GMT
The table above hasn't taken into account the changes that have been made to the past 4 years of results since the rankings last updated. My complete and utter guess is that we'll be.... 33rd! I'm pretty sure it does... It doesn't. The calculator simply works out the result + the points we've got at the moment. It doesn't take into account the points that'll possibly be taken away from teams because they become less valuable the older they get etc etc etc whatever the system is. We will be nowhere near 20th. |
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Post by richierich333 on Mar 30, 2015 15:19:43 GMT
Thats fair comment. I am not bothered about 'one man team' jibes at all- its not illegal for us to field Bale and if we win games just because of him then thats how it goes- we havent broken any rules just using the resources available to us. With regards to the rankings though, Bale is directly responsible for at least 6 of our points so far in our group, that would have made a difference to our ranking points. I do agree but I'm just as impressed with our defensive record this campaign as I am with Bale. I'm sure Bale has helped some way (directly or indirectly) in that as well though. Scoring goals is always looked at as more important than the defence, but having only conceded 2 goals so far I'd give our defence quite a few points too. I'm pretty sure our defence has improved more than Bale has. Although our defenders have played well, I think this is more to do with the midfield as out first bank of defence. We've had more possession and spent more time in the opposition half this campaign,taking a massive amount of pressure off the GK and the back 4. If you're constantly on the back foot as we used to be, the likelihood is that you concede more free kicks, pens, drop clangers or get red cards. |
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Post by srdcymru on Mar 30, 2015 15:54:26 GMT
I think the whole team deserves massive credit. You have now got all the players stepping up in big games and everybody seems to know there role. Obviously helps to have a player of Bale's class but this is far from a one man team now.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Mar 30, 2015 15:58:29 GMT
I'm pretty sure it does... It doesn't. The calculator simply works out the result + the points we've got at the moment. It doesn't take into account the points that'll possibly be taken away from teams because they become less valuable the older they get etc etc etc whatever the system is. We will be nowhere near 20th. We'll see. |
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Post by jbt95 on Mar 30, 2015 16:30:45 GMT
It doesn't. The calculator simply works out the result + the points we've got at the moment. It doesn't take into account the points that'll possibly be taken away from teams because they become less valuable the older they get etc etc etc whatever the system is. We will be nowhere near 20th. We'll see. I agree with you, I'm sure I did that before and the next update they issue we had the points it showed me when I entered it into the calculator. Beat Belgium and we'll probably be best in the world lol |
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Post by toshfan on Mar 30, 2015 16:54:54 GMT
Our loss v England in March 2011 probably drops off the list now. If that is the case, we could be heading for an odd period in the next year, namely that the excellent run under Speedo will start to drop off too. |
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Post by scoop76 on Mar 30, 2015 17:26:05 GMT
Our loss v England in March 2011 probably drops off the list now. If that is the case, we could be heading for an odd period in the next year, namely that the excellent run under Speedo will start to drop off too. But the flip side to that is if we avoid defeat versus Belgium in June, then our FIFA ranking in July/August/September will reflect both the winning run under Speed in 2011 AND the unbeaten run under Coleman in 2014/15. The general public will be surprised when they realise we are in the world's top twenty... |
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Post by squatter1 on Mar 30, 2015 19:10:40 GMT
"As much as I have banged on about us relying too much on Bale the second name on the team sheet for me, even ahead of Ramsey, is Chester"
Oh come on, the difference between Collins and Chester is marginal - whichever player you think is better. I think Chester has been great for us too, but no better than Collins. I'm sorry to say this statement is inextricably linked to your ongoing anti-Collins campaign.
The difference between Ramsey and whoever replaces him, however, is massive. Surely ludicrous to say Chester is second most important player after a terrific defensive display without him.
With Collins instead of Chester we just played the top team in our group away from home and they were limited to, what, two efforts on target? What difference did not having Chester available make to us? Yet Ramsey scores one and sets up another and he is less important than Chester?
We are just as good without Chester when Collins is available to fill in as we are with him. We are lucky to have them both, we have never had this kind of strength in depth at the back (considering Dummett, Davies, Gunter and Henley can play centreback)
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Post by stu on Mar 30, 2015 19:19:17 GMT
If that is the case, we could be heading for an odd period in the next year, namely that the excellent run under Speedo will start to drop off too. But the flip side to that is if we avoid defeat versus Belgium in June, then our FIFA ranking in July/August/September will reflect both the winning run under Speed in 2011 AND the unbeaten run under Coleman in 2014/15. The general public will be surprised when they realise we are in the world's top twenty... Also remember that the more recent the game the more weight the points have. So whilst the Speedo points will eventually drop off they are getting less valuable each year. We are heading towards being a pot 2 team! Not bad since we were pot 6 at the last WCQ. |
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Post by pengedragon on Mar 30, 2015 19:38:41 GMT
pot 2 would be fantastic if we could get there for the world cup qualifiers
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Post by erasedcitizen on Mar 30, 2015 20:08:35 GMT
I agree with you, I'm sure I did that before and the next update they issue we had the points it showed me when I entered it into the calculator. Beat Belgium and we'll probably be best in the world lol It strikes me as realistic as there's some teams that I entered who won a qualifier and drew a friendly and lost about 100 points! We've gained a staggering amount from the one Israel win, so I guess that takes into consideration the ingurland game 4 years ago. If not, I can still see us moving into the top 30 as some teams above us who had only won games 4 years ago have lost a couple this month. Pot 2 is a rather realistic goal. |
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Post by ontheroadagain on Mar 30, 2015 20:09:04 GMT
Can we really say we one of the top 25 nations in the world? Sadly, with Bale i think that would be about right, without him we arent even top 40 imo. storm, Having had a look on Edwin's unofficial website and looking at the results of other teams over the weekend I think that we could just get into the top 25 based, however, I do not know how much the games tomorrow night would affect this We will go above Israel definitely as our max is above their max and Ukraine lost to Spain Have not looked at the games coming up tomorrow night. Looking good for Wales. If you have time here is the link: www.football-rankings.info/2015/03/fifa-ranking-april-2015-preview.htmlHere is the section we need to look at: Columns are March 2015 points - Minimum points - Maximum points 16 Czech Republic 1045 895 1040 17 England 1031 960 1056 18 Algeria 986 902 930 19 Croatia 963 897 977 20 Côte d'Ivoire 944 910 924 21 Mexico 935 887 937 22 Slovakia 932 818 920 23 Austria 916 808 928 24 Ghana 887 826 868 25 Tunisia 881 786 834 26 Israel 880 649 1030 27 Greece 872 871 959 28 Denmark 863 762 865 29 Ecuador 852 759 850 30 Bosnia-Herzegovina 841 737 812 31 Ukraine 838 761 951 32 USA 828 804 867 33 Russia 788 755 838 34 Poland 778 706 848 35 Iceland 776 676 748 36 Senegal 772 715 752 37 Wales 763 700 916 38 Cape Verde Islands 761 684 737 39 Scotland 727 730 796 40 Serbia 709 664 824 |
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Post by walesaway on Mar 30, 2015 20:15:03 GMT
FIFA rankings don't consider the score, only the result. The strength of the opponent will be a huge multiplier however.
Score is considered for UEFA coefficients which will be used for the Euro 2016 finals draw, should we qualify.
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Post by ysbryd on Mar 30, 2015 20:47:09 GMT
The rankings rarely reflect how good a side is when their previous form has been poor like ourselves.
They don't reflect current form.
But that isn't their purpose. They are used to determine seedings and they are averaged to reward the form over 4 years.
Our past form has been a burden but as our consistency has continued to improve so to has our ranking.
It has worked against us in the past so if it works for us now I will lose no sleep if that unfairness finally gets us into pot 2.
It would potentially take out alot of good teams from our group and improve the chance of qualification.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2015 21:20:05 GMT
"As much as I have banged on about us relying too much on Bale the second name on the team sheet for me, even ahead of Ramsey, is Chester" Oh come on, the difference between Collins and Chester is marginal - whichever player you think is better. I think Chester has been great for us too, but no better than Collins. I'm sorry to say this statement is inextricably linked to your ongoing anti-Collins campaign. The difference between Ramsey and whoever replaces him, however, is massive. Surely ludicrous to say Chester is second most important player after a terrific defensive display without him. With Collins instead of Chester we just played the top team in our group away from home and they were limited to, what, two efforts on target? What difference did not having Chester available make to us? Yet Ramsey scores one and sets up another and he is less important than Chester? We are just as good without Chester when Collins is available to fill in as we are with him. We are lucky to have them both, we have never had this kind of strength in depth at the back (considering Dummett, Davies, Gunter and Henley can play centreback) But then I would question your objectivity about Collins because you always seem to pick me up on him when others dont, like you refuse to have a bad word said about him. All I will say is that others in the away end in Israel also used the word 'liability' in association with Collins on occasion (and not in relation to the scuffed shot) so it is far from just me who holds this opinion! And the funny thing is I didnt even mention Collins in my last post and yet you still found my praising of Chester intended as a slight against Collins. As if Im not allowed to hold the opinion that Chester is our best defender- even better than Williams. So come on- how much is Collins paying you?  |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Mar 30, 2015 22:00:51 GMT
FIFA rankings don't consider the score, only the result. The strength of the opponent will be a huge multiplier however. Score is considered for UEFA coefficients which will be used for the Euro 2016 finals draw, should we qualify. Pretty much this. If we somehow manage to get a win out of the Belgium game, we'd bump up a few places again most likely. |
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Post by squatter1 on Mar 30, 2015 22:15:48 GMT
And the funny thing is I didnt even mention Collins in my last post and yet you still found my praising of Chester intended as a slight against Collins. "Collins was good against Israel, but he is very limited all round compared to Chester." |
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Post by squatter1 on Mar 30, 2015 22:17:03 GMT
As if Im not allowed to hold the opinion that Chester is our best defender- even better than Williams. That's just as nuts as saying Chester is more important to us than Ramsey. |
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Post by squatter1 on Mar 30, 2015 22:42:48 GMT
"But then I would question your objectivity about Collins because you always seem to pick me up on him when others dont, like you refuse to have a bad word said about him."
I believe I said of him regarding the Israel game: "the miss was horrible and he hit some hopeless long balls."
I don't come on here with ridiculous puff-posts on James Collins on a regular basis, yet others over several years it has to be said have been coming on here with ridiculous criticisms of him based on prejudices that belong in the past. It's boring and quite irritating.
Collins got a red card once, gave away a penalty once, and got pissed off that Darcy Blake was picked in front of him, and now a bunch of folks on here think he's shit because of that. Let it go.
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Post by squatter1 on Mar 30, 2015 22:44:39 GMT
"But then I would question your objectivity about Collins because you always seem to pick me up on him when others dont, like you refuse to have a bad word said about him." I believe I said of him regarding the Israel game: "the miss was horrible and he hit some hopeless long balls." I don't come on here with ridiculous puff-posts on James Collins on a regular basis, yet others over several years it has to be said have been coming on here with ridiculous criticisms of him based on prejudices that belong in the past. It's boring and quite irritating. Collins got a red card once, gave away a penalty once, and got pissed off that Darcy Blake was picked in front of him, and now a bunch of folks on here think he's shit because of that. It makes no football sense, especially when you have the limited options we do. Let it go. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Mar 30, 2015 23:48:00 GMT
I respect you having an opinion, but I'd go as far as saying Williams is better than any other British (ych a fi) centre backs.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 3:34:55 GMT
"But then I would question your objectivity about Collins because you always seem to pick me up on him when others dont, like you refuse to have a bad word said about him." I believe I said of him regarding the Israel game: "the miss was horrible and he hit some hopeless long balls." I don't come on here with ridiculous puff-posts on James Collins on a regular basis, yet others over several years it has to be said have been coming on here with ridiculous criticisms of him based on prejudices that belong in the past. It's boring and quite irritating. Collins got a red card once, gave away a penalty once, and got pissed off that Darcy Blake was picked in front of him, and now a bunch of folks on here think he's shit because of that. It makes no football sense, especially when you have the limited options we do. Let it go. When Chester does all of the above then I will be the first to criticise- as it is he hasnt out a foot wrong so far, whereas its a facet of Collins playing style that he takes risks in dangerous areas (as evidenced by the needless trip the other week) and (to my eye) indulges in poor positioning, hence why imo hes a back up player when required. |
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Post by underwood on Mar 31, 2015 7:45:25 GMT
Does anyone know if the aforementioned Chester is back this weekend?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 9:33:19 GMT
Does anyone know if the aforementioned Chester is back this weekend? Doesnt matter now  so long as hes back by June. Mind you, knowing old pie face he will tell the press that Chester needs the summer off after his injury *rolls eyes* |
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Post by jbt95 on Mar 31, 2015 11:10:49 GMT
Does anyone know if the aforementioned Chester is back this weekend? Doesnt matter now so long as hes back by June. Mind you, knowing old pie face he will tell the press that Chester needs the summer off after his injury *rolls eyes* Well we all know how that turned out last summer! |
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Post by abwales on Mar 31, 2015 12:55:10 GMT
He said on sky that he has been training for a week and is just waiting for the surgeon to give him the go ahead. 2 months of strong performances leading up to Belgium hopefully.
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Post by underwood on Mar 31, 2015 13:02:10 GMT
Well Bruce can do one because a few more standout performances whilst in a Welsh shirt will get a move to somewhere better than Hull for our boy Jimmy.
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Post by flynnfan on Mar 31, 2015 13:07:09 GMT
I think considering his partnership with Ash, Garry Monk would be mad not to go in for him. Especially if Hull go down.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2015 13:56:16 GMT
I think considering his partnership with Ash, Garry Monk would be mad not to go in for him. Especially if Hull go down. He will be cut price I reckon. I dont think Bruce really rates him...but perhaps thats fair? Maybe Chester is another David Healy? Or perhaps he suits with Williams and vice versa? Either way, Swansea or another club should be pulling out the stops to pair these two up at club level. They look very solid together (so far). |
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Post by 1958 on Apr 1, 2015 11:30:04 GMT
Does anyone know what our position is likely to be in the next set of fifa rankings and how this will affect our seeding for the World Cup qualifiers?
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so long as hes back by June. Mind you, knowing old pie face he will tell the press that Chester needs the summer off after his injury *rolls eyes*