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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 6, 2020 21:49:43 GMT
We're also ranking 14th in Europe at the moment. There's not many European teams ahead of us that you'd say we should be ahead of really. Poland, Sweden & Denmark are the only ones we could challenge from a relatively even playing field in all likelihood. I'd say for now, we're operating at the right level. If a few of our youngsters really start to kick on now & we have a great tournament, that's the only way we're going to seriously climb the ladder
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Post by fiveattheback on Sept 6, 2020 21:55:32 GMT
Could we benefit from being the highest ranked League B side? Each side above us is in League A which means sides just above us should hopefully be losing more games than ourselves. If we can win the group we could be in a good position to get into pot 1
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Post by CrackityJones on Sept 7, 2020 0:11:16 GMT
Bump
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Post by pendragon on Sept 7, 2020 1:19:40 GMT
We're also ranking 14th in Europe at the moment. There's not many European teams ahead of us that you'd say we should be ahead of really. Poland, Sweden & Denmark are the only ones we could challenge from a relatively even playing field in all likelihood. I'd say for now, we're operating at the right level. If a few of our youngsters really start to kick on now & we have a great tournament, that's the only way we're going to seriously climb the ladder And maybe, Iceland. |
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Post by gogdownsouth on Sept 7, 2020 10:57:42 GMT
We Global Football on Twitter has us 19th in the world and 13th in Europe after yesterday's game. This puts us '3rd' in Pot 2 behind Switzerland and Sweden. Just having a quick browse on points and the most likely to fall out of Pot 1 would be Denmark, but Germany and Italy aren't much ahead of them.
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Post by eppingblue1 on Sept 7, 2020 11:07:17 GMT
I think we only pick up 10 points because the teams we beat are lower than us. But potentially enough to move above Poland if they lose again next week. Tough for us to get to the 10th Euro seed for the WC draw but you never know! It would of taken Switzerland to get a very bad set of results for us to get near the 10th place. Their draw last night probably ends that small hope. Not many points floating around with this new system particularly in the nations league where teams are closer in points terms to start with. Crucial to win nevertheless, had we'd lost we would have lost considerably more points than we've gained. And as far as I can see the points you gain stay with you for you for ever. So if we were under the new system in 2016 the lorry load of points we would have got for beating world number one Belgium in a quarter final would be worth as much today as it was then. |
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Post by jono on Sept 7, 2020 11:41:05 GMT
Didn't someone say if we won all 6 games we'd have a chance at Pot 1?
Either way, even if we don't it's imperative to win the group if it pretty much guarantees a WC play off place.
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Post by jono on Sept 7, 2020 11:50:54 GMT
Judging by this Denmark seems the most likely team to catch. Could probably do with the Sais beating them tomorrow. Attachments:
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Post by eppingblue1 on Sept 7, 2020 11:59:02 GMT
Didn't someone say if we won all 6 games we'd have a chance at Pot 1? Either way, even if we don't it's imperative to win the group if it pretty much guarantees a WC play off place. Its someway from guaranteeing a play off spot. If you haven't qualified directly or for the play offs via the group then you could qualify for the play offs via the nations league. That's via 3 potential play off paths each of 4 teams. We'd have to win that for the right to be in the main play offs. Those 12 places are based on nations league ranking so its pretty inconceivable that we wont reach the nations league play offs at least. |
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Sept 7, 2020 12:14:34 GMT
We Global Football on Twitter has us 19th in the world and 13th in Europe after yesterday's game. This puts us '3rd' in Pot 2 behind Switzerland and Sweden. Just having a quick browse on points and the most likely to fall out of Pot 1 would be Denmark, but Germany and Italy aren't much ahead of them. That account simulated the World Cup qualifying draw for us with the current rankings and the group was Netherlands, Wales, Turkey, Montenegro, Armenia. What a disaster a group like that would be. It makes winning the Nations League group, and close to guaranteeing a play-off place (and effectively second place) an imperative. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 7, 2020 12:19:50 GMT
Judging by this Denmark seems the most likely team to catch. Could probably do with the Sais beating them tomorrow. Yeah that must mean that if Denmark, Switzerland & Sweden all have shockers from here on out & we win all our games, we can sneak in there. So we need Denmark to lose to England, Belgium & maybe Iceland can make it tricky for them too Sweden are up against France, Portugal & Croatia do I'd expect them to struggle in that group. The Swiss looked alright against Germany & also have Spain in their group, although they could well get the better of Ukraine in that group. Let's keep an eye out for these groups and just make sure we win our games! |
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Post by gogdownsouth on Sept 7, 2020 13:15:49 GMT
We Global Football on Twitter has us 19th in the world and 13th in Europe after yesterday's game. This puts us '3rd' in Pot 2 behind Switzerland and Sweden. Just having a quick browse on points and the most likely to fall out of Pot 1 would be Denmark, but Germany and Italy aren't much ahead of them. That account simulated the World Cup qualifying draw for us with the current rankings and the group was Netherlands, Wales, Turkey, Montenegro, Armenia. What a disaster a group like that would be. It makes winning the Nations League group, and close to guaranteeing a play-off place (and effectively second place) an imperative. Just been having a browse of the Pots as they stand and it makes for very interesting reading. Luxembourg up to 4, Andorra in 5. For me would give a best case group of Denmark, Cymru, Greece, Luxembourg, Andorra, San Marino and a worst of France, Cymru, Turkey, Hungary, Armenia |
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Post by fiveattheback on Sept 7, 2020 13:41:42 GMT
Judging by this Denmark seems the most likely team to catch. Could probably do with the Sais beating them tomorrow. Didn't England losing to Czechia screw us over for the Euro draw and stick us in pot 4? |
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Post by jono on Sept 7, 2020 14:24:04 GMT
Judging by this Denmark seems the most likely team to catch. Could probably do with the Sais beating them tomorrow. Didn't England losing to Czechia screw us over for the Euro draw and stick us in pot 4? I've just looked and it seems that way. We were 19th ranked and Czech ended up 18th. However, Czech ended up with England and Croatia in their group. I'd probably prefer our chances with Switzerland and Turkey tbh. |
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Post by eppingblue1 on Sept 7, 2020 14:53:58 GMT
Didn't England losing to Czechia screw us over for the Euro draw and stick us in pot 4? I've just looked and it seems that way. We were 19th ranked and Czech ended up 18th. However, Czech ended up with England and Croatia in their group. I'd probably prefer our chances with Switzerland and Turkey tbh. FIFA rankings determine the seeding for the world cup draw. We're currently 14th out of the European section. All the teams above us are in Nation league A. The hope would be that at least 4 of those fair badly and we do very well. Our biggest points possibility comes from the game with England despite it being a mere friendly. |
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Post by eppingblue1 on Sept 7, 2020 15:28:40 GMT
That account simulated the World Cup qualifying draw for us with the current rankings and the group was Netherlands, Wales, Turkey, Montenegro, Armenia. What a disaster a group like that would be. It makes winning the Nations League group, and close to guaranteeing a play-off place (and effectively second place) an imperative. Just been having a browse of the Pots as they stand and it makes for very interesting reading. Luxembourg up to 4, Andorra in 5. For me would give a best case group of Denmark, Cymru, Greece, Luxembourg, Andorra, San Marino and a worst of France, Cymru, Turkey, Hungary, Armenia Denmark aren't in pot 1 as t stands. They're 11th in the rankings and unlikely to improve. I quite fancy a trip to Armenia and with regards to pot 1 they al look pretty daunting to be honest. Really time we drew Greece who've enough room for everyone to get a ticket. Really like one of the Baltic nations but tickets would be impossible to get for a lot, me included. |
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Post by jono on Sept 7, 2020 15:44:31 GMT
Just been having a browse of the Pots as they stand and it makes for very interesting reading. Luxembourg up to 4, Andorra in 5. For me would give a best case group of Denmark, Cymru, Greece, Luxembourg, Andorra, San Marino and a worst of France, Cymru, Turkey, Hungary, Armenia Denmark aren't in pot 1 as t stands. They're 11th in the rankings and unlikely to improve. I quite fancy a trip to Armenia and with regards to pot 1 they al look pretty daunting to be honest. Really time we drew Greece who've enough room for everyone to get a ticket. Really like one of the Baltic nations but tickets would be impossible to get for a lot, me included. The current updated rankings have us in 13th and Denmark in 10th. Mind you that's not official...just off Twitter. Posted a photo a few posts above. |
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Post by oscardelta on Sept 7, 2020 18:06:55 GMT
Everybody goes on about Rankings and impact on it, personally discount them because they count for little on the field.
Last WC qualifiers showed how little they meant when was it the 3rd ranked team in the group qualified, 4th ranked team got a playoff and 1st and 2nd were not in it.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 7, 2020 18:40:20 GMT
Everybody goes on about Rankings and impact on it, personally discount them because they count for little on the field. Last WC qualifiers showed how little they meant when was it the 3rd ranked team in the group qualified, 4th ranked team got a playoff and 1st and 2nd were not in it. Nah come on. If you're in a higher pot you've statistically got a better chance of qualifying. It's not an exact science of course (i.e our 2018 campaign where we actually had a tough group despite being top seeds) but you always want to increase your chances. Especially if you get into the top pot, you've got the chance of getting a very easy draw - which to a nation like us would be a blessing |
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Post by oscardelta on Sept 7, 2020 19:33:53 GMT
Point is that getting in top you could end up with the team who have persientently been in top 10 or other looking to get there. Always be careful what you wish for.
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Post by manulike on Sept 7, 2020 20:09:45 GMT
We Global Football on Twitter has us 19th in the world and 13th in Europe after yesterday's game. This puts us '3rd' in Pot 2 behind Switzerland and Sweden. Just having a quick browse on points and the most likely to fall out of Pot 1 would be Denmark, but Germany and Italy aren't much ahead of them. What a disaster a group like that would be. It makes winning the Nations League group, and close to guaranteeing a play-off place (and effectively second place) an imperative. I'd take that group and in fact, snatch it off your hands. Would actually like to think that we could top that group.
#Yes.We.Can
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Post by iot on Sept 7, 2020 20:38:35 GMT
Point is that getting in top you could end up with the team who have persientently been in top 10 or other looking to get there. Always be careful what you wish for. That's some poor logic there. Of course you can, but you're more likely to get an easier group the higher the pot you're in. Ergo, breaking into the top pot would be cause for celebration. That's undisputable |
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Post by pendragon on Sept 7, 2020 20:53:23 GMT
I would find it very tough to back England tomorrow.
I reckon it will end in a draw or even a shock win for the Danes.
A number of England players have been ruled out for this one.
Kyle Walker is suspended after his challenges in Iceland and now it has been reported that Mason Greenwood and Phil Foden have also been ruled out due to breach in Covid restrictions.
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Post by oscardelta on Sept 7, 2020 21:38:50 GMT
Point is that getting in top you could end up with the team who have persientently been in top 10 or other looking to get there. Always be careful what you wish for. That's some poor logic there. Of course you can, but you're more likely to get an easier group the higher the pot you're in. Ergo, breaking into the top pot would be cause for celebration. That's undisputable You fiddled to get a top world ranking before by not doing friendlies and it didn't help.
Getting to a tournament is more important than a ranking.
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Post by quetzal on Sept 7, 2020 21:44:03 GMT
That's some poor logic there. Of course you can, but you're more likely to get an easier group the higher the pot you're in. Ergo, breaking into the top pot would be cause for celebration. That's undisputable You fiddled to get a top world ranking before by not doing friendlies and it didn't help. Getting to a tournament is more important than a ranking.
Agree. But you also need to tell it to your fellow countrymen on YBIG forum. They are consumed and fascinated by the seedings a lot more than apostle |
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Post by southcoastwelsh on Sept 7, 2020 21:44:57 GMT
Didn't someone say if we won all 6 games we'd have a chance at Pot 1? Either way, even if we don't it's imperative to win the group if it pretty much guarantees a WC play off place. Its someway from guaranteeing a play off spot. If you haven't qualified directly or for the play offs via the group then you could qualify for the play offs via the nations league. That's via 3 potential play off paths each of 4 teams. We'd have to win that for the right to be in the main play offs. Those 12 places are based on nations league ranking so its pretty inconceivable that we wont reach the nations league play offs at least. Not sure that’s quite right eppingblue. There are 2 World Cup playoff places that go to the highest ranked Nations League group WINNERS that haven’t finished in 1st or 2nd in their WC qualifying group. Those two teams join the 10 World Cup runners up to form three playoff paths of 4 teams, as you say, but those 3 winners qualify for the Finals in Qatar (there are no other playoffs involved). As only the NL winners are eligible for one of these playoff spots, we’d be in a very strong position as you’d expect all the Tier A group winners to finish 1st or 2nd, so by winning our Tier B group well we’d be in pole position to make the WC playoffs. The ranking of Group winners in Tier B is via points then goal difference. |
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Post by oscardelta on Sept 7, 2020 22:02:55 GMT
You fiddled to get a top world ranking before by not doing friendlies and it didn't help. Getting to a tournament is more important than a ranking.
Agree. But you also need to tell it to your fellow countrymen on YBIG forum. They are consumed and fascinated by the seedings a lot more than apostle Bit like should you care that some Welshmen say they like sheep.................... should you care or ignore it
If a couple of people are fascinated with something ..... so what.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 7, 2020 22:44:49 GMT
That's some poor logic there. Of course you can, but you're more likely to get an easier group the higher the pot you're in. Ergo, breaking into the top pot would be cause for celebration. That's undisputable You fiddled to get a top world ranking before by not doing friendlies and it didn't help.
Getting to a tournament is more important than a ranking.
Yeah but the odds were that it was going to help - just because it didn't doesn't mean it's not a desirable or rewarding thing to do. Logic 101 really, you can't argue against it Obviously getting to a tournament is more important than ranking, but by getting a higher ranking it makes the odds better of getting to a tournament, so in a round about way you've ended up arguing against your own point there |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 7, 2020 22:45:55 GMT
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Post by pendragon on Sept 7, 2020 23:31:11 GMT
Agree. But you also need to tell it to your fellow countrymen on YBIG forum. They are consumed and fascinated by the seedings a lot more than apostle Bit like should you care that some Welshmen say they like sheep.................... I'm sure even you can do better than these tired old stereotypes. It's getting rather boring. |
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