|
|
Post by conwy10 on May 4, 2018 21:59:14 GMT
I'm sure Colwyn bay and Merthyr reserve would walk the league and Wrexham and Newport reserves would win in a canter Let's kick out all the hard working clubs who have spent relative fortunes getting to where they are and those in the league's below can go feck themselves too. Then let's give the clubs the chance to qualify for Europe through 2 countries We need to improve what we have and invest in clubs who want to be there not those who want to continue to take the English £ We’re only about 10 years since we were losing 10-1 over 2 legs. We’ve slowly got to a stage where we usually get 2 winning the first qualifying round before being knocked out next round. The Welsh League is competing with Andorra and Faroe Islands and lets be honest it’s being carried by TNS. I cringe looking at the results seeing a team from Gibraltar has won or desperately looking what the San Marino teams did. Cardiff and Swansea might but would Wrexham and Newport divert funds away from their first teams to strengthen their reserve team to try to win the Welsh League or would they use it to develop their players and whatever happens happens? Would it be better for Welsh football to have Llandudno get a £30,000 loan from the council to pay for the costs of flights and accommodation for the squad, backroom staff and club officials and lose the first qualifier or let a bigger club have a chance of picking up millions? If we were to only let 1 reserve team compete in the Europa League a domestic club would still get the lucrative Champions League spot, we’d have a club able to progress into the actual tournament to raise the leagues profile and still have 2 spots available for other domestic teams. |
|
|
|
Post by cadno on May 5, 2018 8:15:20 GMT
Come on Aberystwyth tomorrow!
Class to see Llanelli back where they belong.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 5, 2018 22:35:18 GMT
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 13:04:10 GMT
JD Welsh Cup Final 2017/18
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 8:58:02 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by 1gwaunview on Jul 6, 2018 10:37:06 GMT
Another season and very disappointing contributions from WPL entries in Europe yet again. Bala and Cefn Druids out in the 1st matches of their campaigns.
I know this is an old chestnut brought out from time to time ( probably every year around now ), but is it time for WPL to seriously re-consider summer football, and try to reverse these awful performances? The players at least would be fully in the swing of things and match prepared, rather than playing before their season has commenced.
|
|
|
|
Post by leggybach on Jul 6, 2018 11:16:03 GMT
Another season and very disappointing contributions from WPL entries in Europe yet again. Bala and Cefn Druids out in the 1st matches of their campaigns. I know this is an old chestnut brought out from time to time ( probably every year around now ), but is it time for WPL to seriously re-consider summer football, and try to reverse these awful performances? The players at least would be fully in the swing of things and match prepared, rather than playing before their season has commenced. Losing 3-1 to a team from San Marino is simply not acceptable, and seems to suggest that the WPL is regressing and not going forward as we had hoped. However, Cefn did themselves very proud against ok opposition, sporting a player who was once sold to Everton for megabucks, so did Bala just have a particularly off day in the first leg? As for a summer league, I'd love it just for more football to watch, and I think our clubs would be a bit better prepared - 2 LOI clubs have reached the group stages since they changed. Surely fewer games would be postponed during the season too, meaning less of an unfair advantage for those with artificial pitches, and no fixture log at the end of the season. |
|
|
|
Post by conwy10 on Jul 6, 2018 20:11:57 GMT
Another season and very disappointing contributions from WPL entries in Europe yet again. Bala and Cefn Druids out in the 1st matches of their campaigns. I know this is an old chestnut brought out from time to time ( probably every year around now ), but is it time for WPL to seriously re-consider summer football, and try to reverse these awful performances? The players at least would be fully in the swing of things and match prepared, rather than playing before their season has commenced. Losing 3-1 to a team from San Marino is simply not acceptable, and seems to suggest that the WPL is regressing and not going forward as we had hoped. However, Cefn did themselves very proud against ok opposition, sporting a player who was once sold to Everton for megabucks, so did Bala just have a particularly off day in the first leg? As for a summer league, I'd love it just for more football to watch, and I think our clubs would be a bit better prepared - 2 LOI clubs have reached the group stages since they changed. Surely fewer games would be postponed during the season too, meaning less of an unfair advantage for those with artificial pitches, and no fixture log at the end of the season. Wales should still gain a place in the coefficient with Georgia losing points. Good effort from Cefn Druids, Bala have bought shame to the Welsh Prem. It’ll be down to TNS once again to bring dignity to Wales, say what you will about them being English but if teams aren’t going to do anything for Wales I don’t see a point in them being in Europe. Wales is making steady progress in the coefficient but that is mostly thanks to TNS. The league obviously isn’t equal with them being full time, but if they weren’t in the league it wouldn’t open the door to other teams, they’d just accept losing to teams from San Marino. Summer league could work. It’d have to go all the way down the pyramid though. |
|
|
|
Post by alarch on Jul 7, 2018 8:26:43 GMT
For any WPL side to lose 3-1 on aggregate to a team from San Marino is humiliating for them and for the league. This should be the stimulus for change - because the league will become a laughing stock (as if it isn't already) without change.
Summer football is the obvious change - but it will be very difficult to co-ordinate with the feeder leagues. A much more pragmatic change would be to have an extended winter break from early January (preserving the Xmas and New Years Day fixtures) until late February or even early March (preserving the Easter fixtures). Given that most WPL teams now play on artificial pitches the old arguments about pitches being too hard in May/June should no longer apply.
The league would then finish towards the end of June - enabling those teams participating in European fixtures to be properly prepared - and giving a suitable climax to their season, unlike the current situation where the games are bizarre standalone games. Of course, if teams were to progress it would eat into their close seasons - but there would be ways around this (e.g. the start of the season could be just League Cup fixtures, with European participants given a bye into the later stages).
There is really no point WPL sides taking part in European competitions unless they are given every opportunity to make as good a fist of things as possible. Things have to change.
|
|
|
|
Post by cymro on Jul 10, 2018 22:00:24 GMT
TNS lose 5-0 in Champions league first leg to KF Shkendija of Macedonia.  |
|
|
|
Post by conwy10 on Jul 11, 2018 6:15:32 GMT
TNS lose 5-0 in Champions league first leg to KF Shkendija of Macedonia. If they lose do they go into the next round for the Europa League? I thought it got an overhaul for this year. Hope they do. This is going badly for Wales! |
|
|
|
Post by zakbaby on Jul 13, 2018 1:26:09 GMT
Absolutely shocking results for all teams in European competition again. If anything the situation is worse than when the league was formed. 26 years and the WPL is going backwards in Europe. I don't watch the league myself but can anybody explain why results are so bad? Has the league standard improved? Surely getting hammered by teams from San Marino etc is unacceptable?
|
|
|
|
Post by 1gwaunview on Jul 13, 2018 10:46:58 GMT
Something has to be done about these poor results. Time for a re-think for WPL administrators.
This is hopeless.
|
|
|
|
Post by ystradwales on Jul 13, 2018 11:05:45 GMT
Wasn't the reason for reducing the WPL to 12 teams to improve quality as resources were being stretched to thin?
Maybe it is time to review this as more competition may improve quality. It mention on other threads that it should be increased to 16 teams in areas of high population (for financial sustainability), encouraging trials for youngsters released by Cardiff, Swansea, Newport and Wrexham with WPL clubs (Barry and Merthyr have a good record in this) and the out there suggestion of reserve teams (Welsh qualified players) for Cardiff and Swansea.
As others have pointed out I think there is a need for a review of the WPL to increase quality, increasing chances for Welsh players and interest
|
|
|
|
Post by cymruramdcfc on Jul 13, 2018 11:31:44 GMT
Wasn't the reason for reducing the WPL to 12 teams to improve quality as resources were being stretched to thin? Maybe it is time to review this as more competition may improve quality. It mention on other threads that it should be increased to 16 teams in areas of high population (for financial sustainability), encouraging trials for youngsters released by Cardiff, Swansea, Newport and Wrexham with WPL clubs (Barry and Merthyr have a good record in this) and the out there suggestion of reserve teams (Welsh qualified players) for Cardiff and Swansea. As others have pointed out I think there is a need for a review of the WPL to increase quality, increasing chances for Welsh players and interest i not sure if possible, but could the likes of Cardiff Swansea Newport and Wrexham put in a reserve or 3rd side into the league?? and the likes of merthyr put in their seconds?
i assume the answer no as it would compromise the main teams in the English leagues.... just a thought
|
|
|
|
Post by conwy10 on Jul 13, 2018 23:10:04 GMT
Wasn't the reason for reducing the WPL to 12 teams to improve quality as resources were being stretched to thin? Maybe it is time to review this as more competition may improve quality. It mention on other threads that it should be increased to 16 teams in areas of high population (for financial sustainability), encouraging trials for youngsters released by Cardiff, Swansea, Newport and Wrexham with WPL clubs (Barry and Merthyr have a good record in this) and the out there suggestion of reserve teams (Welsh qualified players) for Cardiff and Swansea. As others have pointed out I think there is a need for a review of the WPL to increase quality, increasing chances for Welsh players and interest i not sure if possible, but could the likes of Cardiff Swansea Newport and Wrexham put in a reserve or 3rd side into the league?? and the likes of merthyr put in their seconds?
i assume the answer no as it would compromise the main teams in the English leagues.... just a thought
I’d love to see Cardiff, Swansea, Newport and Wrexham put teams into the Welsh system. Whether that be 2nd or 3rd sides and even if they start lower down the pyramid, step 3 for example. They could use their training grounds for matches until they’re at a decent level, if needs be register in Wales as Cardiff Bluebirds, AFC Swansea, Wrexham Dragons, Newport Exiles for example, register players and loan the ones they could potentially need during the season to the ‘franchise club’. Colwyn Bay put in a youth team in the local leagues but they only lasted a year. Don’t think there was issues moving them around the squads, maybe because Colwyn Bay are under the FAW. The domestic game in Wales needs shaking up. I would say just tread water for a season because Georgia and Northern Ireland are losing serious coefficient points next year but we’re losing to San Marino clubs. Change it to a summer league, change the number of clubs, put them in inflatable orbs and allow body checking, whatever direction we’re going in isn’t working so we can drastically change it without worrying about the consequences. |
|
|
|
Post by derynglas on Jul 14, 2018 7:42:15 GMT
Swansea City and Merthyr have a team in the Welsh premier development league (south),
which I think is under 21 with 5 over age players alloued,3 on the pitch at any one time.
Swansea finished 2nd last year, Merthyr 10th out of 11.
The big 4 probably wouldnt be interested in putting a reseve side into the Welsh system anyway.Cardiff and
Swansea arent even that interested in winning the FA CUP or League cup.Swansea had a bash at
the Europa league and enjoyed it but on balance arent that keen on thursday night football likewise
95% of the English clubs apart from the clubs that can get in the CL and can put thir second
string in the Europa league if they mis out.Cardiff's main focus is staying in the EPL,
Swansea to get back there,and dont want any distractions..
The WPL is "working" as it ticks a box with UEFA and FIFA in keeping our international status.
How to improve it,put more money in,make it a league that the English based non league clubs would
want to join full force.
TNS and Connahs Quay had very tough draws.And TNS will drop into the Europa league if(when!)
they drop out of the CL.It aint over yet.
Cadwch y ffydd.
|
|
|
|
Post by welshiron on Jul 14, 2018 10:19:57 GMT
Wasn't the reason for reducing the WPL to 12 teams to improve quality as resources were being stretched to thin? Maybe it is time to review this as more competition may improve quality. It mention on other threads that it should be increased to 16 teams in areas of high population (for financial sustainability), encouraging trials for youngsters released by Cardiff, Swansea, Newport and Wrexham with WPL clubs (Barry and Merthyr have a good record in this) and the out there suggestion of reserve teams (Welsh qualified players) for Cardiff and Swansea. As others have pointed out I think there is a need for a review of the WPL to increase quality, increasing chances for Welsh players and interest i not sure if possible, but could the likes of Cardiff Swansea Newport and Wrexham put in a reserve or 3rd side into the league?? and the likes of merthyr put in their seconds?
i assume the answer no as it would compromise the main teams in the English leagues.... just a thought
To be fair it's,a stupid thought. The welsh league is for teams that play in their own co try not a backdrop for those chasing the English pound As for a Merthyr reserve team their first team have just lost 2 or 3 games against Welsh league teams. They go bankrupt every few years get their begging bowl out and repeat the process. Their current team would not come close to winning the wpl As for playing in the Welsh cup this is a non starter as you can't have a chance of qualifying for Different countries. May as well invite Liverpool reserves. Summer football is the change that needs to be made or have the season finish early in July. |
|
|
|
Post by welshiron on Jul 14, 2018 10:23:23 GMT
The bottom line is take the biggest 4 teams out of any of the smaller leagues then they would be struggling as we do.
The only other change is to raise the profile of the league and maybe the faw could subsidise the wages of well known players, maybe ex internationals that want to give back. Each club to have one marquee player.
This would increase attendances, you only need to see how many extra fans turn up when Trundle plays in the Welsh league. This would increase media attention more sponsorship and maybe even a decent tv contract.
|
|
|
|
Post by 1gwaunview on Jul 14, 2018 11:14:26 GMT
I don't think Wales' big four clubs will ever have a presence in WPL.
Summer football is the answer to properly prepare for Euro competitions and not perpetuate the hopelessness of this current situation.
|
|
|
|
Post by cymruramdcfc on Jul 14, 2018 11:24:43 GMT
i not sure if possible, but could the likes of Cardiff Swansea Newport and Wrexham put in a reserve or 3rd side into the league?? and the likes of merthyr put in their seconds?
i assume the answer no as it would compromise the main teams in the English leagues.... just a thought
To be fair it's,a stupid thought. The welsh league is for teams that play in their own co try not a backdrop for those chasing the English pound As for a Merthyr reserve team their first team have just lost 2 or 3 games against Welsh league teams. They go bankrupt every few years get their begging bowl out and repeat the process. Their current team would not come close to winning the wpl As for playing in the Welsh cup this is a non starter as you can't have a chance of qualifying for Different countries. May as well invite Liverpool reserves. Summer football is the change that needs to be made or have the season finish early in July. Just a thought bud.. as you say a stupid one 🤣🤣🤣 It's only a young league it has to build each year. In Ireland they have a summer league and it's improved their league |
|
|
|
Post by conwy10 on Jul 14, 2018 16:56:31 GMT
To be fair it's,a stupid thought. The welsh league is for teams that play in their own co try not a backdrop for those chasing the English pound As for a Merthyr reserve team their first team have just lost 2 or 3 games against Welsh league teams. They go bankrupt every few years get their begging bowl out and repeat the process. Their current team would not come close to winning the wpl As for playing in the Welsh cup this is a non starter as you can't have a chance of qualifying for Different countries. May as well invite Liverpool reserves. Summer football is the change that needs to be made or have the season finish early in July. Just a thought bud.. as you say a stupid one 🤣🤣🤣 It's only a young league it has to build each year. In Ireland they have a summer league and it's improved their league I don’t think it’s a stupid idea. It’s not working and is an embarrassment to Wales, having youth teams, development teams or even franchise teams of the English based Welsh teams in the Welsh system can provide them with a taste of first team football, it’ll bring more hungry young players that will hopefully push the current teams to improve. I would defend the Welsh Prem to anyone but this year has been a major embarrassment on so many levels. TNS will lose, Connahs Quay will lose and then we have to pin all our hopes on TNS in the Europa League. I’m not saying youth teams is the way to go but the most stupid idea I’ve ever heard is to accept Wales being grouped with Andorra, Luxembourg, Faroe Islands. We need ideas and they should be heard out no matter how radical they sound. |
|
|
|
Post by phillywelsh83 on Jul 16, 2018 11:18:36 GMT
The bottom line is take the biggest 4 teams out of any of the smaller leagues then they would be struggling as we do. The only other change is to raise the profile of the league and maybe the faw could subsidise the wages of well known players, maybe ex internationals that want to give back. Each club to have one marquee player. This would increase attendances, you only need to see how many extra fans turn up when Trundle plays in the Welsh league. This would increase media attention more sponsorship and maybe even a decent tv contract. Thing is though, when did they last have a presence in Welsh football? Its not like they were plucked out of the league 5,10 or even 20 years ago, its probably 100 years or more right? I think TV is a big thing, if there was regular (English language) programming on S4C (i know that will face a backlash from the ardent Welsh speakers) - it would build the exposure of the league, get people interested, learn about the teams, the players, hopefully get them interested enough to attend games. In turn, the increased exposure and money from it should increase the quality. However, I think fundamentally we have to go away from a winter league system, if it can be changed to a summer league, you will double your audience or more! There is a lack of football in the summer in the UK, and fans will be clamoring for some football, whatever it is, i hate the summers when there is no world cup/euros - if Wales had a summer league and i actually had a local club (or even non local but close enough) id be more tempted to get a season ticket and watch them throughout the summer than i would in the winter when there is an abundance of high quality football to watch. Its obviously not working, our sides are getting embarrassed by teams we should be able to beat. So time for a change. |
|
|
|
Post by 1gwaunview on Jul 18, 2018 10:08:02 GMT
Unlucky TNS. Our English/Welsh representatives did well to comeback from 5-0 1st leg, to 5-4 on agg. They also hit the post and one cleared off the line, the Macedonian opposition also hit the post.
A little more optimism for progress in the Europa League, they've been selected to play a team from Gibraltar. Lose to them over two legs and that truly will be horrendous.
|
|
|
|
Post by welshiron on Jul 18, 2018 10:15:44 GMT
The Gibraltar team beat Celtic a couple of years ago but I think tns will go through.
The side they lost to won their league by 35 points. Rangers played a side from the same league and struggled to a 2-0 aggregate win.
|
|
|
|
Post by welshiron on Jul 18, 2018 10:17:59 GMT
Just a thought bud.. as you say a stupid one 🤣🤣🤣 It's only a young league it has to build each year. In Ireland they have a summer league and it's improved their league I don’t think it’s a stupid idea. It’s not working and is an embarrassment to Wales, having youth teams, development teams or even franchise teams of the English based Welsh teams in the Welsh system can provide them with a taste of first team football, it’ll bring more hungry young players that will hopefully push the current teams to improve. I would defend the Welsh Prem to anyone but this year has been a major embarrassment on so many levels. TNS will lose, Connahs Quay will lose and then we have to pin all our hopes on TNS in the Europa League. I’m not saying youth teams is the way to go but the most stupid idea I’ve ever heard is to accept Wales being grouped with Andorra, Luxembourg, Faroe Islands. We need ideas and they should be heard out no matter how radical they sound. Teams can't play in 2 leagues and as for Merthyr reserves that is an insult to any club in the Welsh pyramid. |
|
|
|
Post by conwy10 on Jul 18, 2018 11:04:28 GMT
I don’t think it’s a stupid idea. It’s not working and is an embarrassment to Wales, having youth teams, development teams or even franchise teams of the English based Welsh teams in the Welsh system can provide them with a taste of first team football, it’ll bring more hungry young players that will hopefully push the current teams to improve. I would defend the Welsh Prem to anyone but this year has been a major embarrassment on so many levels. TNS will lose, Connahs Quay will lose and then we have to pin all our hopes on TNS in the Europa League. I’m not saying youth teams is the way to go but the most stupid idea I’ve ever heard is to accept Wales being grouped with Andorra, Luxembourg, Faroe Islands. We need ideas and they should be heard out no matter how radical they sound. Teams can't play in 2 leagues and as for Merthyr reserves that is an insult to any club in the Welsh pyramid. They wouldn’t be in 2 leagues, they’d be seperate teams with seperate squads. Players can be loaned between the 2 teams, transferred, share facilities. If Merthyr Reserves or a Merthyr associated team joined step 6 or 7 of the Welsh pyramid would it be an insult? If they work their way to the top fair play to them. Don’t think anyone’s suggested putting 6 reserve teams in the Welsh Prem, get them in the system and if they earn their way to the top they’ve deserved it. |
|
|
|
Post by welshiron on Jul 18, 2018 11:32:17 GMT
Merthyr's first team would struggle in the WPL so a reserve team is an insult.
|
|
|
|
Post by welshiron on Jul 18, 2018 11:34:29 GMT
Teams can't play in 2 leagues and as for Merthyr reserves that is an insult to any club in the Welsh pyramid. They wouldn’t be in 2 leagues, they’d be seperate teams with seperate squads. Players can be loaned between the 2 teams, transferred, share facilities. If Merthyr Reserves or a Merthyr associated team joined step 6 or 7 of the Welsh pyramid would it be an insult? If they work their way to the top fair play to them. Don’t think anyone’s suggested putting 6 reserve teams in the Welsh Prem, get them in the system and if they earn their way to the top they’ve deserved it. There is another team in Merthyr called Penydarren and they have just been promoted to the Welsh league. Merthyr are also a financial mess and given that I doubt their first team would get a licence. |
|
|
|
Post by ystradwales on Jul 19, 2018 17:29:00 GMT
i not sure if possible, but could the likes of Cardiff Swansea Newport and Wrexham put in a reserve or 3rd side into the league?? and the likes of merthyr put in their seconds?
i assume the answer no as it would compromise the main teams in the English leagues.... just a thought
To be fair it's,a stupid thought. The welsh league is for teams that play in their own co try not a backdrop for those chasing the English pound As for a Merthyr reserve team their first team have just lost 2 or 3 games against Welsh league teams. They go bankrupt every few years get their begging bowl out and repeat the process. Their current team would not come close to winning the wpl As for playing in the Welsh cup this is a non starter as you can't have a chance of qualifying for Different countries. May as well invite Liverpool reserves. Summer football is the change that needs to be made or have the season finish early in July. Not sure if it was my suggestion you were calling stupid but what is wrong with suggesting that Cardiff and Swansea enter a squad of Welsh qualified youngsters in the WPL? It would give them experience of competitive football that they are not getting from the academy structure, ensure that they are dressy for first team football at either club if needed or if they are released by either club the experience of playing in the WPL would be beneficial in helping them find another club |
|
