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Post by conwy10 on Jul 19, 2018 20:14:59 GMT
To be fair it's,a stupid thought. The welsh league is for teams that play in their own co try not a backdrop for those chasing the English pound As for a Merthyr reserve team their first team have just lost 2 or 3 games against Welsh league teams. They go bankrupt every few years get their begging bowl out and repeat the process. Their current team would not come close to winning the wpl As for playing in the Welsh cup this is a non starter as you can't have a chance of qualifying for Different countries. May as well invite Liverpool reserves. Summer football is the change that needs to be made or have the season finish early in July. Not sure if it was my suggestion you were calling stupid but what is wrong with suggesting that Cardiff and Swansea enter a squad of Welsh qualified youngsters in the WPL? It would give them experience of competitive football that they are not getting from the academy structure, ensure that they are dressy for first team football at either club if needed or if they are released by either club the experience of playing in the WPL would be beneficial in helping them find another club I’d love to see it. I’d hate to see Wrexham miss out on it too even if they had to join the regional Wrexham league and work their way up. I’d even let them qualify for Europe if they get there but say the club must be registered in Wales and have different squads. 3 years ago I’d have said it was a ridiculous idea, Bala and others deserve the opportunity. This year I think forget it Bala threw away a golden opportunity, even TNS did to collapse 5-0 away from home despite a hero’s effort in the second leg. We need better players in the Welsh Prem, we need teams who will push the Prem to new heights. |
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Post by welshiron on Jul 20, 2018 6:49:17 GMT
Do you really think a team of Welsh youngsters Not affiliated to bigger clubs would do better than the current teams. I also doubt that the majority of players would be Welsh anyway.
Cardiff, Swansea etc have decided to take the English coin so for me have no right to play in a Welsh league.
It also makes me wonder why Cardiff fans especially hate the English as everything they have is due to playing in the English system with predominantly English players.
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Post by marsvolta on Jul 20, 2018 6:59:32 GMT
Do you really think a team of Welsh youngsters Not affiliated to bigger clubs would do better than the current teams. I also doubt that the majority of players would be Welsh anyway. Cardiff, Swansea etc have decided to take the English coin so for me have no right to play in a Welsh league. It also makes me wonder why Cardiff fans especially hate the English as everything they have is due to playing in the English system with predominantly English players. Most Cardiff fans (or Swansea for that matter) don’t ‘hate the English’, they just don’t support England in football as they see them as their local rivals. It’s the same with other clubs and countries all over the world but it seems it’s just the British who get confused with this |
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Post by welshiron on Jul 20, 2018 7:31:01 GMT
Not sure if it was my suggestion you were calling stupid but what is wrong with suggesting that Cardiff and Swansea enter a squad of Welsh qualified youngsters in the WPL? It would give them experience of competitive football that they are not getting from the academy structure, ensure that they are dressy for first team football at either club if needed or if they are released by either club the experience of playing in the WPL would be beneficial in helping them find another club I’d love to see it. I’d hate to see Wrexham miss out on it too even if they had to join the regional Wrexham league and work their way up. I’d even let them qualify for Europe if they get there but say the club must be registered in Wales and have different squads. 3 years ago I’d have said it was a ridiculous idea, Bala and others deserve the opportunity. This year I think forget it Bala threw away a golden opportunity, even TNS did to collapse 5-0 away from home despite a hero’s effort in the second leg. We need better players in the Welsh Prem, we need teams who will push the Prem to new heights. How well do u think the current Wrexham team would do in Europe? Then, how do you think their reserves would do. If playing in Europe is the carrot the club has one choice only. |
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Post by welshiron on Jul 20, 2018 7:35:24 GMT
There are plenty of teams in the Cardiff, Swansea and Wrexham areas that people could go and support.
However, very few do and I can only put it down to football snobbery "the standards shit blah blah"
I watch a team in the Welsh league and love it, crowds are shit but really feel a part of the club as you know all the people involved as well as the players etc.
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Jul 20, 2018 12:57:50 GMT
There are plenty of teams in the Cardiff, Swansea and Wrexham areas that people could go and support. However, very few do and I can only put it down to football snobbery "the standards shit blah blah" I watch a team in the Welsh league and love it, crowds are shit but really feel a part of the club as you know all the people involved as well as the players etc. You dont watch a shit film or series out of choice do you? If a friend was starring in it you might or it was about your local town, again you might, if it was about a town you have no association with, but its in your country, you dont know any of the actors and the quality is poor, you probably wont be that keen on watching, but you might watch one episode here or there. Football is entertainment, if its not entertaining, then unless you have an affiliation (i.e. local team, friend or family plays for them) then you likely wont be that keen on watching them every game, but you may see a game here or there. So its not blah, blah - its simple human behaviour. |
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Post by welshiron on Jul 20, 2018 14:07:13 GMT
Games are just as entertaining as anywhere else, quality that's a different matter.
If people don't bother and pay their money then they should quit moaning and enjoy the English leagues.
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Jul 20, 2018 14:35:21 GMT
Games are just as entertaining as anywhere else, quality that's a different matter. If people don't bother and pay their money then they should quit moaning and enjoy the English leagues. Alright negative nancy! I disagree though, poor football is not entertaining by itself. You have to have an affiliation with the team to make it entertaining. |
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Post by garynysmon on Jul 20, 2018 15:36:10 GMT
I'm against the idea of reserve sides in the WPL, but can't see any issue at all with inviting representative sides into the Welsh Premier League Cup.
There is no European qualification at the end of it, so no UEFA issues there, and it would revamp a competition that's not seen as a massive priority tbh. They already invite some Cymru Alliance and Welsh League sides into it anyway, so wouldn't require much of a revamp.
The exiles would be allowed to field any strength side they wish of course.
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Post by conwy10 on Jul 21, 2018 6:39:40 GMT
I’d love to see it. I’d hate to see Wrexham miss out on it too even if they had to join the regional Wrexham league and work their way up. I’d even let them qualify for Europe if they get there but say the club must be registered in Wales and have different squads. 3 years ago I’d have said it was a ridiculous idea, Bala and others deserve the opportunity. This year I think forget it Bala threw away a golden opportunity, even TNS did to collapse 5-0 away from home despite a hero’s effort in the second leg. We need better players in the Welsh Prem, we need teams who will push the Prem to new heights. How well do u think the current Wrexham team would do in Europe? Then, how do you think their reserves would do. If playing in Europe is the carrot the club has one choice only. If they could beat a team from San Marino over 2 legs it’s progress. |
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Post by garynysmon on Jul 21, 2018 7:20:04 GMT
I think what many people are forgetting is that the clubs are having to play the biggest matches of their season when their match sharpness is at its worst.
As a supporter of Welsh clubs in Europe, I was pretty scathing of Bala’a result in San Marino and it looks appaling. However, every match report and anecdote I’ve heard since has been pretty unanimous that it was one of those freak resilts where every shot of theirs went in and nothing went right for Bala.
Not for one minute am I not suggesting it was a terrible result, but there are factors to consider.
I'm a supporter of summer football and feel that those against it are just stuck in their ways and being negative. There are so many times I've been standing on the side of the pitch in a Cymru Alliance or WP game in the middle of the pissing rain and howling wind and wondered what the hell we were dong.
Let's be honest, if football was invented now the season wouldn't start just as the weather was starting to turn for the worst and finish just as the days grew longer would it?
That said, if the opposition is too great, then the season's calendar needs to change at least. I sound like a broken record on this but it seems almost perverse that while 4 of the 12 clubs have been back in training since June, the first league fixtures don't even start until mid August. Either bring that forward of alternatively, we could start the season later (or bring in a winter break) and finish the season in late June, meaning the four euro qualifiers are playing straight off the back of a full season at least.
In a league where Europe is the main carrot (other than significantly better media and TV exposure than Conference North/South clubs for example), it seems odd that those qualifying for it are being hindered more than helped.
Would Cardiff or Swansea reserves do better in Europe? Yes, most probably. Wrexham/Newport reserves? I doubt it very much. Merthyr or Colwyn Bay? That's just being silly isn't it?
I fear there is still this mental block in Wales that Welsh domestic football is automatically shite. I don't know how many times I've encountered fans who, despite having hardly watched a game below Championship level in their lives, will perpetuate this theory that Merthyr/Colwyn would beat a WP side simply by virtue of playing in England.
Pre season friendlies are not a great comparison, but is the only one we have. These are the results so far this summer.
Merthyr 1-3 Carmarthen Town
Merthyr 0-1 Briton Ferry (Welsh League)
Colwyn Bay 1-2 Caernarfon Town
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Post by welshiron on Jul 21, 2018 8:26:04 GMT
I think what many people are forgetting is that the clubs are having to play the biggest matches of their season when their match sharpness is at its worst. As a supporter of Welsh clubs in Europe, I was pretty scathing of Bala’a result in San Marino and it looks appaling. However, every match report and anecdote I’ve heard since has been pretty unanimous that it was one of those freak resilts where every shot of theirs went in and nothing went right for Bala. Not for one minute am I not suggesting it was a terrible result, but there are factors to consider. I'm a supporter of summer football and feel that those against it are just stuck in their ways and being negative. There are so many times I've been standing on the side of the pitch in a Cymru Alliance or WP game in the middle of the pissing rain and howling wind and wondered what the hell we were dong. Let's be honest, if football was invented now the season wouldn't start just as the weather was starting to turn for the worst and finish just as the days grew longer would it? That said, if the opposition is too great, then the season's calendar needs to change at least. I sound like a broken record on this but it seems almost perverse that while 4 of the 12 clubs have been back in training since June, the first league fixtures don't even start until mid August. Either bring that forward of alternatively, we could start the season later (or bring in a winter break) and finish the season in late June, meaning the four euro qualifiers are playing straight off the back of a full season at least. In a league where Europe is the main carrot (other than significantly better media and TV exposure than Conference North/South clubs for example), it seems odd that those qualifying for it are being hindered more than helped. Would Cardiff or Swansea reserves do better in Europe? Yes, most probably. Wrexham/Newport reserves? I doubt it very much. Merthyr or Colwyn Bay? That's just being silly isn't it? I fear there is still this mental block in Wales that Welsh domestic football is automatically shite. I don't know how many times I've encountered fans who, despite having hardly watched a game below Championship level in their lives, will perpetuate this theory that Merthyr/Colwyn would beat a WP side simply by virtue of playing in England. Pre season friendlies are not a great comparison, but is the only one we have. These are the results so far this summer. Merthyr 1-3 Carmarthen Town Merthyr 0-1 Briton Ferry (Welsh League) Colwyn Bay 1-2 Caernarfon Town Great post, basically what i said but well written. |
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Post by welshiron on Jul 21, 2018 8:29:05 GMT
I'm against the idea of reserve sides in the WPL, but can't see any issue at all with inviting representative sides into the Welsh Premier League Cup. There is no European qualification at the end of it, so no UEFA issues there, and it would revamp a competition that's not seen as a massive priority tbh. They already invite some Cymru Alliance and Welsh League sides into it anyway, so wouldn't require much of a revamp. The exiles would be allowed to field any strength side they wish of course. The wpl cup is a decent idea but has been tried before with limited success Mind you Ton Pentre have a place this season despite finishing bottom of division 1. They also avoided relegation |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Jul 21, 2018 10:26:41 GMT
A side thought, a WPL spring/summer/autumn calendar would also save the clubs having to use floodlights every week, thus less electricity used and more money for other things.
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Post by robin1864 on Jul 21, 2018 13:51:03 GMT
I’d love to see it. I’d hate to see Wrexham miss out on it too even if they had to join the regional Wrexham league and work their way up. I’d even let them qualify for Europe if they get there but say the club must be registered in Wales and have different squads. 3 years ago I’d have said it was a ridiculous idea, Bala and others deserve the opportunity. This year I think forget it Bala threw away a golden opportunity, even TNS did to collapse 5-0 away from home despite a hero’s effort in the second leg. We need better players in the Welsh Prem, we need teams who will push the Prem to new heights. How well do u think the current Wrexham team would do in Europe? Then, how do you think their reserves would do. If playing in Europe is the carrot the club has one choice only. Not sure we're the best example for Europe, but I'd wager that a bunch of young Welsh lads playing in Swansea or Cardiff's reserves would put up a much better fight vs. the Latvian champions than a bunch of journeymen scousers looking for one last payday. Allow Welsh clubs in the English system to re-enter the Welsh Cup, with full Europa League privileges for the winning team who will forfeit their European entitlements through the English cups. Then you've got a proper Welsh Cup which represents the whole of Wales again, opposed to just the Welsh system; happy days, everyone is a winner. |
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Post by welshiron on Jul 21, 2018 14:57:59 GMT
How well do u think the current Wrexham team would do in Europe? Then, how do you think their reserves would do. If playing in Europe is the carrot the club has one choice only. Not sure we're the best example for Europe, but I'd wager that a bunch of young Welsh lads playing in Swansea or Cardiff's reserves would put up a much better fight vs. the Latvian champions than a bunch of journeymen scousers looking for one last payday. Allow Welsh clubs in the English system to re-enter the Welsh Cup, with full Europa League privileges for the winning team who will forfeit their European entitlements through the English cups. Then you've got a proper Welsh Cup which represents the whole of Wales again, opposed to just the Welsh system; happy days, everyone is a winner. How is everyone one a winner. Either play in Wales or England |
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Post by robin1864 on Jul 21, 2018 17:45:00 GMT
Not sure we're the best example for Europe, but I'd wager that a bunch of young Welsh lads playing in Swansea or Cardiff's reserves would put up a much better fight vs. the Latvian champions than a bunch of journeymen scousers looking for one last payday. Allow Welsh clubs in the English system to re-enter the Welsh Cup, with full Europa League privileges for the winning team who will forfeit their European entitlements through the English cups. Then you've got a proper Welsh Cup which represents the whole of Wales again, opposed to just the Welsh system; happy days, everyone is a winner. How is everyone one a winner. Either play in Wales or England The Welsh Cup isn't the Welsh League system, nor should it be exclusive to the Welsh leagues. WPL teams have had the life of Riley with that sweet European money, but they've done absolutely nothing to strengthen the game. I'm certain if Cardiff or Swansea won the Welsh Cup again, they'd be giving a large amount of playing time to Welsh youngsters, opposed to Bala who will just field a Scouser XI. Welsh clubs playing in England shouldn't have to sacrifice greater opportunities just to play in their national cup. I understand it's a unique situation however, that's why I would bar Europa League qualification through the FA Cup & League Cup. |
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Post by conwy10 on Jul 21, 2018 22:05:07 GMT
I think what many people are forgetting is that the clubs are having to play the biggest matches of their season when their match sharpness is at its worst. As a supporter of Welsh clubs in Europe, I was pretty scathing of Bala’a result in San Marino and it looks appaling. However, every match report and anecdote I’ve heard since has been pretty unanimous that it was one of those freak resilts where every shot of theirs went in and nothing went right for Bala. Not for one minute am I not suggesting it was a terrible result, but there are factors to consider. I'm a supporter of summer football and feel that those against it are just stuck in their ways and being negative. There are so many times I've been standing on the side of the pitch in a Cymru Alliance or WP game in the middle of the pissing rain and howling wind and wondered what the hell we were dong. Let's be honest, if football was invented now the season wouldn't start just as the weather was starting to turn for the worst and finish just as the days grew longer would it? That said, if the opposition is too great, then the season's calendar needs to change at least. I sound like a broken record on this but it seems almost perverse that while 4 of the 12 clubs have been back in training since June, the first league fixtures don't even start until mid August. Either bring that forward of alternatively, we could start the season later (or bring in a winter break) and finish the season in late June, meaning the four euro qualifiers are playing straight off the back of a full season at least. In a league where Europe is the main carrot (other than significantly better media and TV exposure than Conference North/South clubs for example), it seems odd that those qualifying for it are being hindered more than helped. Would Cardiff or Swansea reserves do better in Europe? Yes, most probably. Wrexham/Newport reserves? I doubt it very much. Merthyr or Colwyn Bay? That's just being silly isn't it? I fear there is still this mental block in Wales that Welsh domestic football is automatically shite. I don't know how many times I've encountered fans who, despite having hardly watched a game below Championship level in their lives, will perpetuate this theory that Merthyr/Colwyn would beat a WP side simply by virtue of playing in England. Pre season friendlies are not a great comparison, but is the only one we have. These are the results so far this summer. Merthyr 1-3 Carmarthen Town Merthyr 0-1 Briton Ferry (Welsh League) Colwyn Bay 1-2 Caernarfon Town One of the things people are getting carried away with is thinking people are suggesting Merthyr reserves in the champions league, that’s completely not the case. We couldn’t say Cardiff/Swansea are welcome in the Welsh system, sorry Merthyr/Colwyn Bay your reserves wouldn’t be good enough. Put all the reserve/development teams lower in the pyramid and see if the cream rises to the top. It’ll never happen anyway but I see this forum as more debate and fantasy than anything. Even if Bala’s was a freak result it’s still harming the Welsh system, it was finally an opportunity for someone except TNS to contribute towards the leagues reputation and they blew it big time. I watch lots of Welsh Premier League, Cymru Alliance, Welsh Alliance, Clwyd League. I’ve thought in the past well we’re making progress it’s not 11-2 aggregate score anymore, if only they didn’t draw full time teams, TNS haven’t done the treble maybe these teams can beat full time teams, finally a tie we can win, oh... they’re all out in the first round, only 12 months to go until next time. I’ve had enough of the rinse and repeat system of failure of Welsh teams in Europe, as I’m guessing are other people. I do think in time we will get stronger but I’m getting tired of waiting. |
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Post by welshiron on Jul 22, 2018 8:00:27 GMT
How is everyone one a winner. Either play in Wales or England The Welsh Cup isn't the Welsh League system, nor should it be exclusive to the Welsh leagues. WPL teams have had the life of Riley with that sweet European money, but they've done absolutely nothing to strengthen the game. I'm certain if Cardiff or Swansea won the Welsh Cup again, they'd be giving a large amount of playing time to Welsh youngsters, opposed to Bala who will just field a Scouser XI. Welsh clubs playing in England shouldn't have to sacrifice greater opportunities just to play in their national cup. I understand it's a unique situation however, that's why I would bar Europa League qualification through the FA Cup & League Cup. What an arrogant post couple of points 1. Will you give up your place in the fa cup to play in the Welsh cup? If not you think you should be allowed to Play in both. Maybe the English will get fed up of you playing in Europe if it were to happen regulary. In fact you all dream of representing England in Europe. Where would you shit then. 2. Play Welsh youngsters, well that wouldnt happen and the Welsh youngsters you have would get beaten by WPL teams. You would be signing even more English Scottish and Irish players 3. I agree about the Bala point but Cardiff, Swansea, Newport and Wrexham couldn't field a Welsh team between them 4. Finally you talk about fair do you think a side taking millions of pounds of English coin would have an unfair advantage over sides like Bala |
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Post by robin1864 on Jul 22, 2018 9:47:19 GMT
The Welsh Cup isn't the Welsh League system, nor should it be exclusive to the Welsh leagues. WPL teams have had the life of Riley with that sweet European money, but they've done absolutely nothing to strengthen the game. I'm certain if Cardiff or Swansea won the Welsh Cup again, they'd be giving a large amount of playing time to Welsh youngsters, opposed to Bala who will just field a Scouser XI. Welsh clubs playing in England shouldn't have to sacrifice greater opportunities just to play in their national cup. I understand it's a unique situation however, that's why I would bar Europa League qualification through the FA Cup & League Cup. What an arrogant post couple of points 1. Will you give up your place in the fa cup to play in the Welsh cup? If not you think you should be allowed to Play in both. Maybe the English will get fed up of you playing in Europe if it were to happen regulary. In fact you all dream of representing England in Europe. Where would you shit then. 2. Play Welsh youngsters, well that wouldnt happen and the Welsh youngsters you have would get beaten by WPL teams. You would be signing even more English Scottish and Irish players 3. I agree about the Bala point but Cardiff, Swansea, Newport and Wrexham couldn't field a Welsh team between them 4. Finally you talk about fair do you think a side taking millions of pounds of English coin would have an unfair advantage over sides like Bala There's nothing arrogant about recognising our superiority. We're full due-paying members of the FAW, just as English team TNS are. 1. I'd happily sack off the League cup to accommodate the Welsh cup, but in the past there was no issue with us playing in everything we could. 2. O ye of little faith. We'd need a much larger squad to help with the demands of playing in more competitions, yet we lack the coin to go signing "English, Scottish and Irish" players, so from a Wrexham (and possibly Newport) point of view we'd obviously be fielding local Welsh lads. 3. In our last Welsh Cup game in 2011, we fielded 7 Welsh players, with 9 in the total squad of 16. 4. There was no problem with this when all 4 exiles were going broke in the 80's and 90's. The standard of Welsh football was much higher, and teams like Bangor, Barry, Caernarfon and Rhyl were much more competitive then than they are now. There was also the fact clubs would get a huge payday out of drawing one of us in the cup due to the crowds we bring, and I'm sure today Cardiff, Swansea etc. would be happy to forgo their cut of the gate receipt. |
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Post by welshiron on Jul 22, 2018 10:13:46 GMT
Some serious assumptions there
1 your English paymasters would allow that to happen
2. You would field Welsh players, it is no longer 2011, name your combined Welsh team.
3. All clubs in the Welsh pyramid will effectively give up a chance of European football. Welsh cup is the only chance for all the clubs except 12.
4. The welsh clubs would give up gate receipts, not sure that would happen
Simple choice stay in England or play in Wales
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Post by welshiron on Jul 22, 2018 10:16:46 GMT
We need to be improving what we have and changing the dates of the season is the first step.
Cardiff just drew with Torquay early season and im not sure how many first teamers someone like Warnock would play early in July, meaning an early exit is just as likely.
Maybe the English would move dates to accommodate this for you superior beings.
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Post by robin1864 on Jul 22, 2018 12:38:48 GMT
Some serious assumptions there 1 your English parameters would allow that to happen 2. You would field Welsh players, it is no longer 2011, name your combined Welsh team. 3. All clubs in the Welsh pyramid will effectively give up a chance of European football. Welsh cup is the only chance for all the clubs except 12. 4. The welsh clubs would give up gate receipts, not sure that would happen Simple choice stay in England or play in Wales We'd field youth players, as we did last time - our reserve team took Airbus to extra time ffs. Not sure what your third point has to do with our ability to field Welsh players. The last non-top flight Welsh team to win the cup was Borough United in 1963, so being brutally honest there is no "chance" a Welsh club outside the existing 12 (or one that yo-yo's) could make it to Europe. Do you seriously think Cardiff or Swansea City would want or need the gate receipts from taking a few thousand to Carmarthen? It makes far better business and ethical sense for them to donate their share to the home club. Changing the season from winter to summer would be little more than polishing a turd in my opinion. I used to be supportive of the WPL, but seeing how pathetic clubs have been, and the FAW ever allowing the Vaughans to own Bangor have killed any hopes I had of it improving. Still, be nice to watch a bit of competitive football whilst waiting for Wrexham to start their preseason. |
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Post by welshiron on Jul 22, 2018 13:23:13 GMT
You enjoy your conference football and another season of mid table mediocrity
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Post by welshiron on Jul 22, 2018 13:26:51 GMT
Some serious assumptions there 1 your English parameters would allow that to happen 2. You would field Welsh players, it is no longer 2011, name your combined Welsh team. 3. All clubs in the Welsh pyramid will effectively give up a chance of European football. Welsh cup is the only chance for all the clubs except 12. 4. The welsh clubs would give up gate receipts, not sure that would happen Simple choice stay in England or play in Wales We'd field youth players, as we did last time - our reserve team took Airbus to extra time ffs. Not sure what your third point has to do with our ability to field Welsh players. The last non-top flight Welsh team to win the cup was Borough United in 1963, so being brutally honest there is no "chance" a Welsh club outside the existing 12 (or one that yo-yo's) could make it to Europe. Do you seriously think Cardiff or Swansea City would want or need the gate receipts from taking a few thousand to Carmarthen? It makes far better business and ethical sense for them to donate their share to the home club. Changing the season from winter to summer would be little more than polishing a turd in my opinion. I used to be supportive of the WPL, but seeing how pathetic clubs have been, and the FAW ever allowing the Vaughans to own Bangor have killed any hopes I had of it improving. Still, be nice to watch a bit of competitive football whilst waiting for Wrexham to start their preseason. So you lost to Airbus. Doesnt that prove my point about reserve teams. As for the Welsh cup a side from outside the Welsh league got to the quarter finals last season No reason why a top Welsh league or cymru alliance team couldn't make the final. Bangor or Penybont could get to the final with a decent draw |
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Post by conwy10 on Jul 22, 2018 22:09:23 GMT
We'd field youth players, as we did last time - our reserve team took Airbus to extra time ffs. Not sure what your third point has to do with our ability to field Welsh players. The last non-top flight Welsh team to win the cup was Borough United in 1963, so being brutally honest there is no "chance" a Welsh club outside the existing 12 (or one that yo-yo's) could make it to Europe. Do you seriously think Cardiff or Swansea City would want or need the gate receipts from taking a few thousand to Carmarthen? It makes far better business and ethical sense for them to donate their share to the home club. Changing the season from winter to summer would be little more than polishing a turd in my opinion. I used to be supportive of the WPL, but seeing how pathetic clubs have been, and the FAW ever allowing the Vaughans to own Bangor have killed any hopes I had of it improving. Still, be nice to watch a bit of competitive football whilst waiting for Wrexham to start their preseason. So you lost to Airbus. Doesnt that prove my point about reserve teams. As for the Welsh cup a side from outside the Welsh league got to the quarter finals last season No reason why a top Welsh league or cymru alliance team couldn't make the final. Bangor or Penybont could get to the final with a decent draw Didn’t Airbus finish 2nd that year? Might be wrong but for a while Airbus were that number 2 team. So if that proves your point is it right to assume Wrexham Reserves could finish 2nd too? Even if you get to Europe don’t you need the licence to get into the Welsh Prem to get into Europe, thought that is why Bangor got rejected this season? In terms of teams giving up a European spot if they did anything with it I’d care what they thought. Deciding between Wrexham and Bala for a chance at Europe is like me organising a night out. I’ve only got 4 seats, that TNS lad isn’t bad, will last a few rounds. All the rest will come out for one drink and then go home after the first pub. Do I really want to take them? 2 of them maybe but I want at least one person out with me who’ll actually make going out worthwhile. There’s only so much of that TNS I can handle, won’t stop going on about being half English. I only put up with him cause there’s no one else. |
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Post by welshiron on Jul 23, 2018 7:48:31 GMT
I believe the licence is to be in the WPL.
A team qualifying from the Welsh cup would have to use a ground that satisfies uefa requirements.
They would probably need a loan from the faw to cover costs until the European money comes in.
The league somehow needs to raise its profile and games during the summer maybe on the BBC or even sky will do this. Surely sky or bt sport could get enough viewers to make it worthwhile supported by a bookie.
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Post by derynglas on Jul 23, 2018 9:57:33 GMT
Club licencing has come into the feeder leagues this season.For the first
time all clubs in the Cymru alliance and Welsh league division 1 have to have 250
seats and floodlights which wasnt the case before particularly in the south.
Perhaps with the restructuring of the league system Merthyr annd Colwyn have the oportunity
to make the move full force,we know some in Merthyr want it to happen so who knows.
FAW are trying to modernise the pyramid anyway and thats a positive.
Dont think you can say Wrexham reserves could finish second in the WPL based on one result
7 years ago.Their first team could no doubt or even win it but their second string
would probably be mid table cymru alliance at best.Newport County could possibly put
a second side out top of the Welsh league or maybe bottom of the WPL but where are the
going to play-dont they groundshare with the egg?
Cardiff and Swansea were invited to the Welsh cup in 2011 but spurned it.The Europa league
simply isnt a carrot for them but theyll take it if they qualify through the English
system as Swansea did.Reserve sides are not the answer but its an interesting topic.
TNS seem in fine fettle after nearly creating history and would have been the first team in history
to overturn a 5-0 defeat in the UCL.Hopefully they will take that form into the Europa league.
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Post by jimbo82 on Jul 23, 2018 15:11:43 GMT
Some serious assumptions there 1 your English parameters would allow that to happen 2. You would field Welsh players, it is no longer 2011, name your combined Welsh team. 3. All clubs in the Welsh pyramid will effectively give up a chance of European football. Welsh cup is the only chance for all the clubs except 12. 4. The welsh clubs would give up gate receipts, not sure that would happen Simple choice stay in England or play in Wales We'd field youth players, as we did last time - our reserve team took Airbus to extra time ffs. Not sure what your third point has to do with our ability to field Welsh players. The last non-top flight Welsh team to win the cup was Borough United in 1963, so being brutally honest there is no "chance" a Welsh club outside the existing 12 (or one that yo-yo's) could make it to Europe.Do you seriously think Cardiff or Swansea City would want or need the gate receipts from taking a few thousand to Carmarthen? It makes far better business and ethical sense for them to donate their share to the home club. Changing the season from winter to summer would be little more than polishing a turd in my opinion. I used to be supportive of the WPL, but seeing how pathetic clubs have been, and the FAW ever allowing the Vaughans to own Bangor have killed any hopes I had of it improving. Still, be nice to watch a bit of competitive football whilst waiting for Wrexham to start their preseason. Cardiff City fans look away now, but I'm afraid in 1994 Barry Town of the Welsh League Division 1 won the cup, and went into Europe! |
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Post by robin1864 on Jul 23, 2018 17:32:50 GMT
We'd field youth players, as we did last time - our reserve team took Airbus to extra time ffs. Not sure what your third point has to do with our ability to field Welsh players. The last non-top flight Welsh team to win the cup was Borough United in 1963, so being brutally honest there is no "chance" a Welsh club outside the existing 12 (or one that yo-yo's) could make it to Europe.Do you seriously think Cardiff or Swansea City would want or need the gate receipts from taking a few thousand to Carmarthen? It makes far better business and ethical sense for them to donate their share to the home club. Changing the season from winter to summer would be little more than polishing a turd in my opinion. I used to be supportive of the WPL, but seeing how pathetic clubs have been, and the FAW ever allowing the Vaughans to own Bangor have killed any hopes I had of it improving. Still, be nice to watch a bit of competitive football whilst waiting for Wrexham to start their preseason. Cardiff City fans look away now, but I'm afraid in 1994 Barry Town of the Welsh League Division 1 won the cup, and went into Europe! Glorious days the mid-late 90's were, felt like a proper cup final in the old national stadium. Barry are a top Welsh club though who I'd afford the same level of respect to as I would Cardiff or Swansea, they're not some pit village club. |
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