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Post by walrus on May 29, 2011 6:35:53 GMT
Magic Daps never made the team of the year
Lee Idzi (3)
Neath FC
Danny Holmes (8) Mike Johnston (9) Stuart Jones (8) Chris Thomas (3)
The New Saints FC Bangor City Llanelli AFC Llanelli AFC
Craig Jones (9) Mark Jones (7) Dave Morley (5) Chris Jones (5)
The New Saints FC Bala Town Bangor City Neath FC
Lee Hunt (6) Rhys Griffiths (9)
Prestatyn Town Llanelli AFC
Subs: GK: Paul Harrison (The New Saints FC)
D: Lloyd Grist (Port Talbot Town), Phil Baker (The New Saints FC)
M: Richie Partridge (The New Saints FC), Chris Venables (Llanelli AFC)
S: Les Davies (Bangor City)
A tie for the Left Back position as first choice and sub selection meant that Thomas was picked before Grist due to gaining more points in the Player of the season award
In the same way Richie Partridge was selected as sub midfielder in place of team-mate Scott Ruscoe
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Post by flynnfan on May 29, 2011 13:09:12 GMT
Any of these players possible future football league/Welsh internationals walrus?
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Post by Baxter Cymru on May 29, 2011 13:39:58 GMT
Any of these players possible future football league/Welsh internationals walrus? Simple answer is no im afraid mate |
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Post by saints19 on May 30, 2011 3:28:18 GMT
Rhys Griffiths and Craig Jones would be the only realistic possibilities. Jones is a good young winger with time on his side. Griffiths is, as I've argued, worth a shout now in a friendly. His goal record is more prolific than Earnshaw albeit at a lower level and he has the physical stature Earnie lacks.
Some familiar names in that team: Stuart Jones, formerly of Swansea, and Richie Partridge once of Liverpool. No place for Trundle proves that there are good players in the WPL.
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Post by walrus on May 30, 2011 10:35:12 GMT
Only two managers voted for Trundle. One was Leggo. The other i think was from Prestatyn.
WPL not a breeding ground for future internationals but definitely improving in standard.
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Post by robshrew on May 30, 2011 20:13:52 GMT
league is improving but dont know where you would rate it to english level conf north/south maybe new saints and bangor would survive in conference.think teams will get better when exiles start again in welsh cup
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Post by llannerch on Jun 1, 2011 12:40:39 GMT
think teams will get better when exiles start again in welsh cup Why? |
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Post by robshrew on Jun 1, 2011 16:28:18 GMT
cos i think they have a chance to play against better opposition plus it should bring clubs a bit more money in the long run to attract better players.Heres hoping anyway  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2011 17:07:57 GMT
If there isnt much 'talent' moving to the English pyramid from the WPL then it kind of puts it in perspective really. It could only be good for Welsh international football if there was some progression there where players regularly moved across, to say League One level, or even higher in exceptional cases.
The WPL seems like a bit of a closed shop from the sounds of it.
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Post by idiot on Jun 1, 2011 18:17:51 GMT
If there isnt much 'talent' moving to the English pyramid from the WPL then it kind of puts it in perspective really. It could only be good for Welsh international football if there was some progression there where players regularly moved across, to say League One level, or even higher in exceptional cases. The WPL seems like a bit of a closed shop from the sounds of it. it does seem a bit of a closed shop,its a tough world for the low clubs mind..they are always going to be up against it for young talent,wether its our big clubs or english league clubs taking the local lads,no cash to have youth development,the players in the low arent tied down to any serious contracts etc etc its asking a lot of them to be producing players for the national side while most of them can barely keep themselves afloat |
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Post by llannerch on Jun 1, 2011 20:21:21 GMT
cos i think they have a chance to play against better opposition plus it should bring clubs a bit more money in the long run to attract better players.Heres hoping anyway As it's a cup competition, by definition, it would amount to only two to three games a season for a couple of clubs. |
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Post by llannerch on Jun 1, 2011 20:30:40 GMT
One of the WPL's problems is that there is an obsession in comparing it with the English tiers below the Football League and Conference.
Countries with small or semi-pro leagues survive by developing homegrown talent and flogging it: Denmark, Finland, Sweden, Czech Republic, Iceland and a load of Eastern European leagues. Even Holland and Portugal export their young talent. Their systems and infrastructure are geared towards replacing exported talent with younger players. This is who we ought to be modelling ourselves on.
The recently, and rightly, reduced-in-size WPL should just play 17-25 year olds with a smattering of 30 somethings to offer the experience. In the above model the Trundles, Leggs, Neil Robertses, Blackmores et al return to their 'roots' and begin their coaching careers, mentor younger players and act as role models. WPL clubs should be rewarded via the assessment criteria for grounds, youth set-ups, websites, etc. for how many kids they play; my understanding is that there isn't this sort of rating
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Post by saints19 on Jun 1, 2011 21:10:00 GMT
All WPL clubs have academies, which is more than can be said for many other clubs playing in the English pyramid. A rule to limit experienced players would be largely unenforcable and counter-productive as many English pros or ex-pros enrich the WPL and improve the standard. Local talent isn't always there. In the south players go to Cardiff or Swansea; in the north Wrexham. These clubs get the pick of youth players, so Welsh Premier teams have to rely on older players and English players.
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Post by llannerch on Jun 2, 2011 11:25:02 GMT
A rule to limit experienced players would be largely unenforcable and counter-productive as many English pros or ex-pros enrich the WPL and improve the standard. I never said it would require a rule. The League merely needs to incentivise it. If the league relies on ex-pros and English players to "enrich...and improve the standard" then it will never develop beyond its current, limited state. It is, I contend, an over-reliance All discussions about it ever being a breeding ground for internationals, its clubs achieving more in Europe and the facilities ever improving should cease now. Switch the lights off behind you. |
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Post by saints19 on Jun 2, 2011 11:31:16 GMT
How would you incentivise it in a way that would actually deliver the desired results?
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Post by flynnfan on Jun 2, 2011 11:59:53 GMT
Mark Delaney, Owain Tudur Jones, er...Steve Evans. I don't think its complete pie in the sky to hope and expect the WPL to produce some Welsh internationals llannerch. Former Aberystwyth Town player Tom Bradshaw is almost certain to play for Wales one day too.
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Post by llannerch on Jun 2, 2011 12:09:26 GMT
How would you incentivise it in a way that would actually deliver the desired results? Reduce the training and development fees for WPL club officials Make there greater availability of mentoring and support from pro coaches and current/ex-players for WPL clubs Include as part of accreditation ratings Related to grants for facility and ground upgrades There's probably other things that can be done too |
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Post by saints19 on Jun 2, 2011 13:16:33 GMT
How would you incentivise it in a way that would actually deliver the desired results? Reduce the training and development fees for WPL club officials Make there greater availability of mentoring and support from pro coaches and current/ex-players for WPL clubs Include as part of accreditation ratings Related to grants for facility and ground upgrades There's probably other things that can be done too Would those things actually deliver results? I'm sceptical. There is no shortage of people undergoing professional development as coaches at present, indeed I spoke to someone at the Newport roadshow who coaches at amateur level yet is pursuing the UEFA qualifications. Clubs do not currently see much grant money either, indeed TNS had to use the England-based Football Foundation to get their 3G surface installed, so that is unlikely to carry much weight. Accreditation - do you mean domestic licences? That might work, but it is not incentivisation if you say you must have X amount of young Welsh-qualified players in your squad - that's a rule. And it would be unpopular with the clubs. The other point, encouraging ex-players to coach youngsters is fair enough, but vague on how you would implement it. |
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Post by cymrupenybont on Jun 2, 2011 13:30:19 GMT
Perhaps the FAW could take over the wages of X senior players in a squad, where X is the number of academy graduates that made 15+ appearances the year before?
So that way the clubs could bring in these experienced individuals and pay them what they need - but only when they bring through youngsters.
Of course, this then would tie the clubs into doing it continually, as they cant afford to lose the FAW's wage contribution, so will bring through another youngster the next year to ensure they keep the money.
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Post by saints19 on Jun 2, 2011 13:51:05 GMT
That's an interesting idea, but given the FAW's constant insistence that they have no money (whatever the real situation may be) it is about as likely as the Pope converting to Hinduism.
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Post by flynnfan on Jun 5, 2011 9:24:52 GMT
It's 2 months till the new season starts and I'm bored already. I want football! the WPL could be filling this hole.
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Post by stu on Jun 5, 2011 9:42:59 GMT
I agree, switch the whole pyramid to summer, it'd save costs, be more appealing to watch and give the teams a better chance in Europe.
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Post by georgetm1 on Jun 5, 2011 12:01:04 GMT
As usual its the old duffers in charge of the WPL holding back progress just like in the FAW. During the winter the pitches get trashed by the snow or the rain, plus loads of games get called off. It just makes sense. They should look at the Irish league and see how standards have improved there because of the summer move.
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Post by saints19 on Jun 5, 2011 16:01:04 GMT
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Post by flynnfan on Jun 5, 2011 18:45:28 GMT
I imagine fans of WPL clubs will hate this idea, but in trying to think about how we can bring more players through a distinctly Welsh system and improve the standard of our players, clubs who play in the English system and domestic leauge, I think it's well worth considering. In Spain and Germany the big clubs have B team in the lower divisions who aren't permitted promotion and it seems to work reall well for their player development. The likes of Xavi Hernandes played 3 season for Barcelona B, Thomas Müller a couple of seasons for Bayern Munich B. They learn how to play in the system that the A team plays, a decent standrd of football without having to worry too much about results. Playing a season for Swansea B against local rivals like Neath, Llanelli and Port Talbot would be much better for Daniel Alfei and Lee Lucas than sitting in the stands in the premiership surely? Just thinking of ways we can seperate our system a bit more from England so we're not relying on them too much too.
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Post by saints19 on Jun 5, 2011 19:41:19 GMT
In Spain Barcelona and Real Madrid's B teams cannot play in the Liga Primera. Under these proposals this would instutionised in the WPL. Besides it would be very hypocritical of the exiles to say 'we want our 'B' teams in the WPL, but we won't play our 'A' teams in it.'
It would arguably be beneficial for the clubs but at present Swansea in particular have a policy of loaning out youngsters to WPL clubs. Achieves the same greater good whilst not causing a great deal of controversy.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2011 23:22:10 GMT
Why don't you Saes loving league fans switch to summer and leave the WPL as it is where we are quite happy.
Fucking sick of all you Saes league followers thinking the WPL should be a football convenience when your beloved Liverpool and United aren't playing.
Perhaps if you all showed more interest in your local clubs and less interest in the EPL you wouldn't feel the need to keep making suggestions that we should change our whole make up just to suit you Saes arseole suckers.
Unless you are going to get down to a WPL ground each week and pay your money keep your fucking nose out of our affairs.
You condesending wankers.
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Jun 5, 2011 23:46:47 GMT
Why don't you Saes loving league fans switch to summer and leave the WPL as it is where we are quite happy. Fucking sick of all you Saes league followers thinking the WPL should be a football convenience when your beloved Liverpool and United aren't playing. Perhaps if you all showed more interest in your local clubs and less interest in the EPL you wouldn't feel the need to keep making suggestions that we should change our whole make up just to suit you Saes arseole suckers. Unless you are going to get down to a WPL ground each week and pay your money keep your fucking nose out of our affairs. You condesending wankers. shut up you tart to many orange juices or what! |
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Post by flynnfan on Jun 6, 2011 7:13:17 GMT
Fine glori- carry on playing to one man and his dog, getting close to zero media coverge and regular thrashings in Europe then.... Ad btw, I do support my local team, but my local team just happens to be a Welsh club playing in the English system.
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Post by georgetm1 on Jun 6, 2011 8:27:58 GMT
@gloriachesterfan
Your the one who's named after a Saes team you fucking hypocrit.
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