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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2013 13:04:59 GMT
He can. Uncle Pearce played him there for that Olympic side. As much as I hate to admit it, he was brilliant for them when he played there. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2013 14:28:14 GMT
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Post by flynnfan on Feb 28, 2013 15:10:56 GMT
He trained today Quality. |
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Post by gareth on Feb 28, 2013 16:00:48 GMT
Great news. I think right back would be a good option for him, especially after his display at the olympics.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2013 12:15:50 GMT
I think right back would be a good option for him, especially after his display at the olympics. I hate to admit it, he was brilliant for Uncle Pearce's lot when he played there. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2013 19:53:10 GMT
Ben Davies composed enough and good enough to play CB I think. But then again he's now really good at going forward and delivering crosses so might be a waste there.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2013 20:05:41 GMT
Ben Davies composed enough and good enough to play CB I think. But then again he's now really good at going forward and delivering crosses so might be a waste there. We need a world class CB more than someone who can cross a ball, presumably we have Johnathan Williams lined up to fulfill that role. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2013 11:47:10 GMT
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Post by welshiron on Aug 15, 2013 7:27:30 GMT
Personally think this could be the way forward with both players down the left hand side, both can defend and get forward so will be able to interchange throughout the game
Think Coleman make a good decision here but should of given it at least half a game.
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Post by Tim P on Aug 15, 2013 7:59:43 GMT
Taylor did nothing to suggest he can play on the left side of the attack / midfield. I'd be more interested in seeing what Davies can do at CB - especially as Declan John is set to make his epl debut this weekend.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 9:42:17 GMT
Taylor did nothing to suggest he can play on the left side of the attack / midfield. I'd be more interested in seeing what Davies can do at CB - especially as Declan John is set to make his epl debut this weekend. Nice, I just read about this. I really want Davies to play at CB!! -------------Hennessey-------- Matthews--Williams--Davies--John --------------Ramsey---------- --------Allen---------Joniesta--- -----Bellamy----Bale------Taylor- |
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Post by llannerch on Aug 15, 2013 11:12:04 GMT
Taylor offered little but given he's barely played for a year it's easy to be critical. I think he is an option higher up on the left, rather than Davies.
The clamour for Davies to play centre back reminds me of the clamour on here to see Ricketts there 18 months ago. Now he's being seen as a liability there. Laudrup is on record as saying he thinks Davies might have a future in the middle of a back four. Well let's wait until he puts his balls on the line and tries it. Wales would learn more about Davies doing it in an EPL or Europa League game rather than a friendly like last night's.
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Post by squatter1 on Aug 15, 2013 11:19:54 GMT
The clamour for Davies to play centre back reminds me of the clamour on here to see Ricketts there 18 months ago. Now he's being seen as a liability there. Laudrup is on record as saying he thinks Davies might have a future in the middle of a back four. Well let's wait until he puts his balls on the line and tries it. Wales would learn more about Davies doing it in an EPL or Europa League game rather than a friendly like last night's. Agreed, but necessity is the mother of invention. When one of Collins/Williams is not available, what have we got? We need to try Davies there or else its out-of-position Ricketts or passed-his-prime Gabbs or inexperienced Lynch. |
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Post by llannerch on Aug 15, 2013 11:22:50 GMT
Away in Macedonia? No thanks. Maybe last night was a chance to do it, but that ship has sailed until the November friendly date at least. Plenty of time for Laudrup to try it out
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Post by squatter1 on Aug 15, 2013 11:32:24 GMT
Away in Macedonia? No thanks. Maybe last night was a chance to do it, but that ship has sailed until the November friendly date at least. Plenty of time for Laudrup to try it out Yes, agree with this. |
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Post by flynnfan on Aug 15, 2013 21:02:58 GMT
Taylor offered little but given he's barely played for a year it's easy to be critical. I think he is an option higher up on the left, rather than Davies. The clamour for Davies to play centre back reminds me of the clamour on here to see Ricketts there 18 months ago. Now he's being seen as a liability there. Laudrup is on record as saying he thinks Davies might have a future in the middle of a back four. Well let's wait until he puts his balls on the line and tries it. Wales would learn more about Davies doing it in an EPL or Europa League game rather than a friendly like last night's. Agree with this. I wanted Ricketts TRIED at centre back. He lost Jancko too easily for Austria's goal and Hanley too easily for Scotlands goal. So I wanted Gabbidon TRIED last night. Too late now of course.. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 22:52:50 GMT
Taylor offered little but given he's barely played for a year it's easy to be critical. I think he is an option higher up on the left, rather than Davies. The clamour for Davies to play centre back reminds me of the clamour on here to see Ricketts there 18 months ago. Now he's being seen as a liability there. Laudrup is on record as saying he thinks Davies might have a future in the middle of a back four. Well let's wait until he puts his balls on the line and tries it. Wales would learn more about Davies doing it in an EPL or Europa League game rather than a friendly like last night's. Agree with this. I wanted Ricketts TRIED at centre back. He lost Jancko too easily for Austria's goal and Hanley too easily for Scotlands goal. So I wanted Gabbidon TRIED last night. Too late now of course.. Sensible posts!! Have to say I agree with all of it really. James Collins would be the safe option at Center Half with Williams against Macedonia and Serbia now, but if Cookie did risk Ben Davies there I would be quite pleased really Hopefully Gabbidon has a great season with Palace, haven't seen enough of Lynch. Maybe Nyatanga will have a good season?  (SKIP TO 2.40) |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 23:13:31 GMT
but that ship has sailed until the November friendly date at least. IF there's 1 Llannerch. |
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Post by welshiron on Aug 16, 2013 7:41:55 GMT
It would totally unfair to ask a 19 yr old to play out of position in a world cup qualifier.
It has to be two from 3 for me Williams, Gabbidon and Collins
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Post by toshfan on Aug 16, 2013 9:31:04 GMT
I remember watching an impressive young left back called Chris Coleman at the beginning of his career at the Vetch Field. The majority of his career was played at Centre Half. He would arguably have the best idea of whether Ben Davies can make it at Centre Half. Like others, I do hope it becomes and option.
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Post by llannerch on Aug 16, 2013 11:17:32 GMT
But was Coleman any good as a left back? If not, then the comparison is a spurious one for me. Davies is a quality full back already and will only get better. Trying him as a centre back risks finding out we don't have centre back after all and losing him for a while as a quality left back. Taylor can cover there but he needs much more game time for Swansea let alone Wales to just slot back in. He looked very rusty to me against Eire when he came on
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Post by saints19 on Aug 16, 2013 12:13:24 GMT
Maybe it's just me but I was not impressed at all by Davies defensively. Going forward he's great but defensively out of place at times and struggled in the air. I think he would struggle at CB, even more than Ricketts. Davies missed a couple of headers completely the other night and probably isn't tall enough to play CB. To be honest Davies might be better as a winger than a defender. If you played Taylor and Davies together I'd probably put Davies in the advanced position.
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Post by flynnfan on Aug 16, 2013 12:21:22 GMT
Maybe it's just me but I was not impressed at all by Davies defensively. Going forward he's great but defensively out of place at times and struggled in the air. I think he would struggle at CB, even more than Ricketts. Davies missed a couple of headers completely the other night and probably isn't tall enough to play CB. To be honest Davies might be better as a winger than a defender. If you played Taylor and Davies together I'd probably put Davies in the advanced position. I think it might just be you. He's 19 so is going to make the odd mistake, but generally he's been excellent so far for Wales, and its telling that so many of the recent goals we've conceded have been from attacks down our RIGHT hand side rather than left. |
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Post by saints19 on Aug 16, 2013 12:28:00 GMT
I just don't think he's up to it aerially. In the highlights about 50 mins Long gets 1v1 against him and pretty much gets a clean header, no challenge from Davies really. Now as a full back that's not a major issue although from corners and crosses from the opposite flank you are required to defend. But for a centre back that is just not good.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2013 13:31:53 GMT
Maybe it's just me but I was not impressed at all by Davies defensively. Going forward he's great but defensively out of place at times and struggled in the air. I think he would struggle at CB, even more than Ricketts. Davies missed a couple of headers completely the other night and probably isn't tall enough to play CB. To be honest Davies might be better as a winger than a defender. If you played Taylor and Davies together I'd probably put Davies in the advanced position. Thats been my observation on the few times I have seen him play- seems to get caught out of position an awful lot. He must have very good games when I am not watching. Perhaps I should stay away from the TV for the next qualifier.... |
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Post by toshfan on Aug 16, 2013 14:34:33 GMT
But was Coleman any good as a left back? If not, then the comparison is a spurious one for me. Davies is a quality full back already and will only get better. Trying him as a centre back risks finding out we don't have centre back after all and losing him for a while as a quality left back. Taylor can cover there but he needs much more game time for Swansea let alone Wales to just slot back in. He looked very rusty to me against Eire when he came on Coleman was excellent and more than filled the void created by selling the brilliant Terry Phelan to Wimbledon. I accept that we were in a much lower division then but the fact that Coleman was an internation and made the transition that we are discussing here, I think that the comparison is a valid one. |
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Post by alarch on Aug 16, 2013 21:52:18 GMT
I can hardly believe the comments about Davies. What impresses me most about him is his solidity and dependability. If you venture forwards as a full back its inevitable that you will on occasion be caught out by the swift counter, but this will be mainly the fault of the midfield in failing to fill in. Otherwise you would be obliged to restrict your full backs to defensive responsibilities alone - which is no way of managing a team. Davies definitely has an old head on young shoulders, and the player he reminds me of is Dennis Irwin - one of the most consistent players over the past couple of decades. He has some way to go before he can fully justify that comparison - but he is already one of Swansea and Wales more consistent performers.
The only thing I can agree on here is that Davies may lack the stature for a centre half role - especially if playing alongside Williams. But I'd still give him a chance in that role in an end of season friendly.
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Post by abwales on Aug 16, 2013 23:25:54 GMT
For me its simple with these two.
Both of them are nowhere near a start on the left wing.
Davies isn't a CB and never will be.
If both of them start it should only be in the 2 full back positions.
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Post by flynnfan on Aug 17, 2013 10:08:41 GMT
Davies isn't a CB and never will be.
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Post by njdragon on Aug 17, 2013 10:38:30 GMT
Davies left back, Taylor right back, simple. With Williams we'll have 3 of our back 4 playing at swansea.
Gunter is good enough cover but a weak link for us.
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