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Post by abwales on Aug 17, 2013 11:08:27 GMT
Davies isn't a CB and never will be. ---------------------- Oh, so you know more about football than Michael Laudrup then? I see... You could say that to any football fan that has any opinion on anything. 'I think this player should start over this player......' well you know more about this team than the manager of the team then? I see... |
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Post by flynnfan on Aug 17, 2013 12:59:40 GMT
Davies isn't a CB and never will be. ---------------------- Oh, so you know more about football than Michael Laudrup then? I see... You could say that to any football fan that has any opinion on anything. 'I think this player should start over this player......' well you know more about this team than the manager of the team then? I see... We're all allowed opinions mate. I just take issue with your assertion that 'he never will be' when one of the greatest players of the past 30 years, and a man proving himself to be a very shrewd manager, thinks he could. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2013 10:31:51 GMT
especially as Declan John is set to make his epl debut this weekend. How'd he do against West Ham? |
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Post by Tim P on Aug 19, 2013 18:52:11 GMT
especially as Declan John is set to make his epl debut this weekend. How'd he do against West Ham? Dunno, would be interested to hear from Cardiff fans on this. |
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Post by flynnfan on Aug 19, 2013 19:47:49 GMT
How'd he do against West Ham? Dunno, would be interested to hear from Cardiff fans on this. Watched most of the game on line. he was't great, but then he was no worse than any of Cardiff's other defenders. You could see why Spurs were prepared to sell Caulker, and Connolly at right back was very poor. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 13:06:45 GMT
Dunno, would be interested to hear from Cardiff fans on this. Watched most of the game on line. he was't great, but then he was no worse than any of Cardiff's other defenders. You could see why Spurs were prepared to sell Caulker, and Connolly at right back was very poor. Cheers for update Flynny! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2013 16:36:54 GMT
George Ray Wales U21 player (center back):
The manner of the 6ft 6in 19-year-old's entry into professional football prompted television pundit Steve Claridge to joke: "His career can only go down from here."
"In training he heads everything and blocks everything. He is an unbelievable defender, and for him to make his debut at Wembley was stunning. I was really happy for him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2013 22:57:16 GMT
Quality shift from him tonight he has been missed!
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Post by hookd on Oct 11, 2013 23:00:21 GMT
Was OK but well short of match practice. Just wish he had a bit more conviction when driving forward.
Maybe he needs to leave Swansea on loan to get some game time?
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Post by welshiron on Nov 7, 2013 11:53:05 GMT
With both now fit it will be interesting to see who Laudrup plays.
I would just about prefer Davies myself and would play both for Wales as to have 3 of the back 4 training together day in day out can only be of benefit.
I also don't think we have a international standard right back, although Gunter and Matthews are okay
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Post by Tim P on Nov 7, 2013 12:15:51 GMT
Davies is the better player. I'd like to see Taylor used at right back.
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Post by toshfan on Nov 7, 2013 13:31:52 GMT
My view is that the two are quite different players. I do think that the emergence of Ben Davies made many forget what a good player that Neil Taylor is. I cannot decide which one I prefer. Both are great.
It is great to be discussing areas where we have options and the knowledge that if we lose one, the other will do well.
You have both overlooked Jazz Richards who was outstanding against Belgium and did not get the credit he deserved. Again, as with left back, we have some options with this position now.
But can Laudrup & Coleman (or his eventual replacement) make a centre half out of Ben Davies?
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Post by squatter1 on Nov 7, 2013 13:50:57 GMT
"You have both overlooked Jazz Richards who was outstanding against Belgium and did not get the credit he deserved. Again, as with left back, we have some options with this position now."
I'm afriad Richards is miles off the first team. He's made 7 appearances for Huddersfield Town this season.
Davies is currently first choice LB.
Taylor and Matthews are battling for RB.
Dummett and Gunter should be next.
Followed by the pack: John/Isgrove/Richards/Eardley/etc
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2013 14:12:32 GMT
With Matthews out, Taylor, Collins, Ashley Williams, Davies against Finland?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2013 14:28:47 GMT
But can Laudrup & Coleman (or his eventual replacement) make a centre half out of Ben Davies? They can Tosh, Laudrup should be looking to have him in with Ashley Williams if not Flores tonight in remainder of Europe. |
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Post by toshfan on Nov 7, 2013 14:33:55 GMT
"You have both overlooked Jazz Richards who was outstanding against Belgium and did not get the credit he deserved. Again, as with left back, we have some options with this position now." I'm afriad Richards is miles off the first team. He's made 7 appearances for Huddersfield Town this season. Davies is currently first choice LB. Taylor and Matthews are battling for RB. Dummett and Gunter should be next. Followed by the pack: John/Isgrove/Richards/Eardley/etc Whether he has made 7 or 70 appearances is one thing but what I do know is that he was outstanding against Belgium. That counts. Agree to disagree on Richards but your posting does illustrate the point that Coleman made after the recent double header, namely that our strength in depth is greater than we, perhaps, realised. |
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Post by toshfan on Nov 7, 2013 14:35:39 GMT
With Matthews out, Taylor, Collins, Ashley Williams, Davies against Finland? Think it will be two halves: Richards, Williams, Collins, Taylor then Gunter, Williams, Collins, Taylor or the other way around? Do not think that Ben Davies will get much game time. |
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Post by toshfan on Nov 7, 2013 14:36:20 GMT
But can Laudrup & Coleman (or his eventual replacement) make a centre half out of Ben Davies? Yep. This makes a big and fundamental difference to the original question. If the answer is, both have a great future for Wales. |
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Post by toshfan on Nov 7, 2013 14:36:35 GMT
Hope Dummett gets a half at least.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2013 14:48:34 GMT
Ben Davies any day of the week.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2013 19:35:28 GMT
As a swans fan, Taylor was awesome before his injury but Davies. Has developed into an excellent player and is ahead at the moment.
Great to have both players available though.
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Post by abwales on Nov 7, 2013 20:34:37 GMT
Both
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Post by welshiron on Nov 8, 2013 9:55:40 GMT
Don't understand those saying Richards should keep his place because of his performance in Belgium but Gunter should be axed. Gunter was awesome in Brussels as well and will be very unlucky to be dropped
Gunter and Richards a half each at right back
Taylor and Davies a half each at left back
Dummett maybe 20 minutes at the end or to ply if Collins isn't fit.
The number of players available makes it all the more stupid that we are only playing one game.
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Post by Tim P on Nov 8, 2013 11:45:05 GMT
As in at the same time? I think it would give us flexibility, and be particularly good away from home or in tough home games to have Taylor ahead of Davies. Would give us a lot of solidity and let the flair players do their thing. It could however reduce the fluidity of movement amongst the forward players, but we need to start learning how to get 0-0s in tough away games (please no one mention the Belgium game). |
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Post by flynnfan on Nov 8, 2013 12:00:38 GMT
Yeah, to qualify we need to go to places like Serbia and Croatia and grind out 0-0's or nick 1-0 wins. Playing Taylor and Davies at the same time might help us do that.
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Post by rushy on Nov 8, 2013 22:21:33 GMT
Been impressed with Ben Davies and the good thing is , they both should improve to become better players.
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Post by welshiron on Nov 18, 2013 10:51:57 GMT
Thought Taylor was very poor on Saturday and confirmed for me that Davies should start at left back for us.
Also, thought Gunter was solid and at the moment I believe he deserves the right back slot.
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Post by llannerch on Nov 18, 2013 12:37:41 GMT
Also, thought Gunter was solid and at the moment I believe he deserves the right back slot. Long thought this. Not seen much from the alternatives. Matthews maybe but he continually gets picked out by long balls over his head |
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Post by toshfan on Nov 18, 2013 13:08:48 GMT
Also, thought Gunter was solid and at the moment I believe he deserves the right back slot. Long thought this. Not seen much from the alternatives. Matthews maybe but he continually gets picked out by long balls over his head Big fan of Gunter & Matthews but cannot understand why I am the only one banging on about Jazz Richards. He was outstanding in Belgium. The good news is that this is not a worrying position, especially when considering we have Neil Taylor. |
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Post by welshiron on Nov 18, 2013 13:25:22 GMT
Richards did well in Belgium but he needs to be doing more to oust someone with 50 caps. Don't forget that Gunter was outstanding in Belgium playing out of position and it would of been harsh to have been dropped.
That being said with Collins out I would of played Gunter centre half and either Richards or Taylor at right back
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