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Post by saints19 on Nov 27, 2010 21:59:27 GMT
As far as the Vetch question was concerned, it was before my time and I couldn't be arsed looking it up.
Are Bulgaria, Slovenia and Georgia really that much more attractive ties than NZ, Canada and Liechtenstein? Bear in mind that for the Liechtenstein game, two Wrexham players played which was mainly one for the Gogs (although Steve Evans went on to win more caps). No-one could argue that Slovenia are a better side than any of the teams we've played up north recently, but Georgia aren't/weren't any great shakes and Bulgaria are only OK.
To be blunt, the Liberty has a larger capacity and is a more modern stadium than the Racecourse. PYS is comparable to the Racecourse. There is no conspiracy here.
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Post by georgetm1 on Nov 28, 2010 15:33:01 GMT
As far as the Vetch question was concerned, it was before my time and I couldn't be arsed looking it up. Are Bulgaria, Slovenia and Georgia really that much more attractive ties than NZ, Canada and Liechtenstein? Bear in mind that for the Liechtenstein game, two Wrexham players played which was mainly one for the Gogs (although Steve Evans went on to win more caps). No-one could argue that Slovenia are a better side than any of the teams we've played up north recently, but Georgia aren't/weren't any great shakes and Bulgaria are only OK. To be blunt, the Liberty has a larger capacity and is a more modern stadium than the Racecourse. PYS is comparable to the Racecourse. There is no conspiracy here. So what about the capacityat least people go and watch the matches in Wrexham and there is always an atmosphere. The matches at the Liberty are like being in a morgue. And how can you say Bulgaria are ok when they beat us comfortably last month. Plus those teams that played at Swansea are better than the teams we were honoured to have up here. How can you say Slovenia, Bulgaria and Georgia aren't better than Liechtenstein and Canada. |
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Post by flynnfan on Nov 30, 2010 17:24:24 GMT
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Post by georgetm1 on Dec 10, 2010 13:36:51 GMT
If most of the players back Flynn, maybe he is our man. But judging by how Toshack treated the players they would probably be delighted with a piece of dog turd on a stick in charge.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2010 13:43:37 GMT
Hope your not reading that Brian.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2010 16:54:07 GMT
100% Flynn should get the job, passion, knows his football and his players like him! what else do you need!?
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Post by geraint on Dec 10, 2010 17:54:59 GMT
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Post by flynnfan on Dec 10, 2010 21:07:54 GMT
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Post by saints19 on Dec 11, 2010 0:04:21 GMT
It is interesting that so many players back Flynn.
You can look at this in perhaps two different ways:
If you were being kind to Flynn you would say it is because the players have total faith in his ability to manage Wales successfully.
Or, if you were being more cynical, you could say that the young players know and like Flynn, and see him as someone who will be the anti-Toshack on discipline, i.e. a little bit more liberal. And perhaps hei club managers will like that too.
Personally, I'm leaning more towards the latter.
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Post by idiot on Dec 14, 2010 19:10:20 GMT
after been overlooked for the top job will he now be happy to go back to the youth set up?
i imagine there will be premiership clubs lining up to take him on board in some kind of youth development role for a lot more cash than we offer him
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Post by flynnfan on Dec 14, 2010 19:22:04 GMT
I hope so. Have to say I was disappointed with Johnny Fords response when asked about Flynn. He something about Flynn being 'gutted' and then said something about how he's still employed by the 'association'. I felt he could and should have praised the job Flynn has done over the last 6 years and said something about how important he is to Welsh football and how much he wants him to stay on. He didn't. Maybe Johnny Ford hasn't got a clue how useless our u21s and the structure below that was before Flynn took charge? Wouldn't surprise me.
Flynn has apparently been offered more lucrative jobs running premiership academies in the past, but stayed on because he loves his current role (and presumably he wanted to keep himself in the frame for the top job). I hope he stays on - but demands a pay rise to do so. If the FAW can afford to pay compo to Sheffield Utd, they can afford to reward Flynn.
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Post by idiot on Dec 14, 2010 19:38:19 GMT
we all hope he stay's,i just hope this latest setback for him wont be such a kick in the nuts that it'll make it hard for him to carry on with the association
i think he's always dreamed of making the wales senior job his,he always thought/hoped his day would come but now surely the realisation that he will never get that job must be setting in
he might not leave straight away but its the beginning of the end i reckon
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Post by marsvolta on Dec 14, 2010 19:43:59 GMT
flynnie,if youre reading this....PLEASE STAY.
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Post by idiot on Dec 14, 2010 20:03:59 GMT
if he is reading this id say 'bri,we'd all like you to stay but if you can double your salary elsewhere then i wouldnt grudge you getting you and your family some financial security..oh and cheers'
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Post by youngdragon on Dec 14, 2010 20:09:31 GMT
The work he has done credits him a academy head coach at ANY club in the world
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2010 20:30:55 GMT
Total respect to him, but lets not forget before we go too overboard that he still has yet to qualify for anything- who is to say that with Speeds guidance if Brian leaves we may get someone in who can push us over that finishing line that seems to elude every Welsh team known to man.
I admit that is unlikely, just getting us into our current position has been a miracle of sorts. But what is the point in just being happy to be where we are? Now we are in the position of second seeds dont we have to look at what we need to do to be qualifiers? Maybe Flynn is the man for that, but it maybe that he isnt.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2010 20:47:49 GMT
I hope so. Have to say I was disappointed with Johnny Fords response when asked about Flynn. He something about Flynn being 'gutted' and then said something about how he's still employed by the 'association'. I felt he could and should have praised the job Flynn has done over the last 6 years and said something about how important he is to Welsh football and how much he wants him to stay on. He didn't. Maybe Johnny Ford hasn't got a clue how useless our u21s and the structure below that was before Flynn took charge? Wouldn't surprise me. Flynn has apparently been offered more lucrative jobs running premiership academies in the past, but stayed on because he loves his current role (and presumably he wanted to keep himself in the frame for the top job). I hope he stays on - but demands a pay rise to do so. If the FAW can afford to pay compo to Sheffield Utd, they can afford to reward Flynn. Jonathan Ford's response was cold towards Flynn. This guy doesn't appear to have an ounce of Welsh football passion coarsing through his veins. Check out his resume if you have forgotton: www.walesonline.co.uk/footballnation/football-news/2009/12/10/faw-to-unveil-new-chief-executive-jonathan-ford-91466-25358913/Finance and marketing with a brief (according to this article) of improving the finances of the FAW.........!? He should have explicitly stated what a great job Flynn is doing and how he was unfortunate not to get the top job. If Flynn goes soon wtf will we be left with? It's totally depressing. Also, who are these 6 guys on the FAW Council selecting the candidate with Ford and what are their backgrounds and credentials? |
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Post by thedon on Dec 14, 2010 21:11:05 GMT
I will say this,Flynns over riding love for wales and welsh football will keep him here,I appreciate that ford has been a tosser in the way he spoke about flynn but i think flynn loves wales to much to let that get in the way,I will be surprised if he goes.
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Post by saints19 on Dec 14, 2010 21:55:14 GMT
Jonathan Ford is just a tosser, full stop.
Sorry, but he is.
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Post by youngdragon on Dec 14, 2010 22:00:50 GMT
It's swings and roundabouts he got rid of Toshack which most of you(not me) were in full support of, he is bidding to bring a major tournement to wales. Noone gets it right every single time
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Post by thedon on Dec 14, 2010 22:46:54 GMT
Young dragon,With all due respect,If my memory serves me correctly,Ford was in support of toshack all the way up until he resigned and even afterwards,I don't think ford can take credit in any way for toshacks resignation.
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Post by saints19 on Dec 14, 2010 22:48:35 GMT
Toshack left by mutual consent if I recall correctly, and for me Ford's main sin has been the fact that he has looked to hire marketable managers like Giggs and Speed over those whose managerial credentials are certain. In other words, he puts finances ahead of results.
The under-21s bid is great, but again is about marketing. I just can't respect someone who doesn't seem to give a shit whether we win or lose so long as the FAW makes money.
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Post by ericyoung on Dec 14, 2010 23:09:41 GMT
He was brought in to sort out the FAW's finances. Why are you criticising him for doing just that?
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Post by cilmeri on Dec 15, 2010 8:40:43 GMT
Total respect to him, but lets not forget before we go too overboard that he still has yet to qualify for anything- who is to say that with Speeds guidance if Brian leaves we may get someone in who can push us over that finishing line that seems to elude every Welsh team known to man. I admit that is unlikely, just getting us into our current position has been a miracle of sorts. But what is the point in just being happy to be where we are? Now we are in the position of second seeds dont we have to look at what we need to do to be qualifiers? Maybe Flynn is the man for that, but it maybe that he isnt. Look at the squad and depth of players involved, and the amount of players not available because they're in the main squad, and then re-think your comment. Wwe should never have an expectation for the u21s to qualify for anything. |
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Post by llannerch on Dec 15, 2010 11:46:28 GMT
Flynn has done a good job but the overriding factor in the U21s success has been the structure that is in place, rather than one person's efforts.
Speed needs to retain that structure. If Flynn wishes to stay - great. If he doesn't - fair enough....but it is the structure which is more important here. Not Flynn's feelings
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Post by scoop76 on Dec 15, 2010 14:47:00 GMT
Flynn has done a good job but the overriding factor in the U21s success has been the structure that is in place, rather than one person's efforts. Speed needs to retain that structure. If Flynn wishes to stay - great. If he doesn't - fair enough....but it is the structure which is more important here. Not Flynn's feelings and who's developed that structure, so that the under 17s are pushing for a place in the u19s and the u19s are pushing for a place in the u21s and the u21s are considered worthy of inclusion in the seniors? Brian Flynn. And who turned us from the second worst team in Europe at U21 international level to one in the top 15, beating France, Hungary, Italy, Sweden, etc? Brian Flynn. I hope Flynn stays put. |
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Post by quetzal on Dec 15, 2010 17:38:16 GMT
Hope he stays and looking back it wasn't the 2 results that cost him the job, it was the Bellamy thing where he let DJ a so called friend walk allover him.
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Post by robshrew on Dec 15, 2010 18:16:09 GMT
flynn has to stay.i d like to see john hartson coaching the young ones aswell
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Post by llannerch on Dec 16, 2010 9:46:48 GMT
and who's developed that structure, so that the under 17s are pushing for a place in the u19s and the u19s are pushing for a place in the u21s and the u21s are considered worthy of inclusion in the seniors? Brian Flynn. Ummm, it was John Toshack actually and appointing Flynn to have the overview was his first action in post. news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/4052011.stmFlynn has, without question, prepared and motivated the players for matches well and improved results; but there are plenty of coaches out there who could do it at U21 level - it's hardly the Brave New World of football tactics |
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