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Post by welsho on Dec 19, 2010 14:18:27 GMT
Responding to the original question. Yes, sure he's been asked the question already and said he would. To his massive credit - his commitment is phenomenal
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Post by flynnfan on Dec 23, 2010 13:38:45 GMT
Its all gone quiet in regard to Flynn. I just hope no news is good news. Anyone else here Chris Coleman on radio 5 the other night? He was full of praise for the job Flynn is doing and said his biggest dilemma had he been appointed manager would have been whether to appoint Flynn as his assistant or keep him on in his current role. I wonder if Speed is having similar thoughts?
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Post by perthdragon on Dec 26, 2010 11:59:33 GMT
Sounds like Flynn will still be involved, be very good if we could get him to mentor a successor - he obviously knows what he is doing with the development aspect so would be good to ensure his replacement has learnt Flynn's trick! Based on Hartson's recent interview I don't think he'd be interested and with the salary not likely to be very high we'd still be able to attract someone like Geraint Williams, Simon Davey, Peter Nicholas or even Trollope.
My personal choice would be Matthew Jones, he talks a good game, was briefly part of a good Leeds midfield and I reckon he'd encourage the same passing game that Flynn promotes - not sure if he'd be interested though at this stage of his life. He has no coaching experience but he'd get that whilst working with Flynn for a few years.
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Post by welshposh on Dec 26, 2010 14:11:32 GMT
Sounds like Flynn will still be involved, be very good if we could get him to mentor a successor - he obviously knows what he is doing with the development aspect so would be good to ensure his replacement has learnt Flynn's trick! Based on Hartson's recent interview I don't think he'd be interested and with the salary not likely to be very high we'd still be able to attract someone like Geraint Williams, Simon Davey, Peter Nicholas or even Trollope. My personal choice would be Matthew Jones, he talks a good game, was briefly part of a good Leeds midfield and I reckon he'd encourage the same passing game that Flynn promotes - not sure if he'd be interested though at this stage of his life. He has no coaching experience but he'd get that whilst working with Flynn for a few years. My other team are Hereford and I can assure you that we want Simon Davey nowhere near our national side. The man is clueless, blaming individual players publicly for his failures. I think somebody like Trollope would be good to get involved, though I think we need an experienced assistant as well. I really like Matty Jones, he talks a decent game and would be good to get involved. |
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Post by perthdragon on Dec 26, 2010 15:41:23 GMT
To be fair I hated Davey when he was at Barnsley, I think I was just thinking in terms of the salary we'd be able to pay, we're not going to pay much for someone who would initially be coaching and assisting with the U21 and development teams. I definitely think Jones would be a good shout as he's young yet he'll have learnt a lot from his injury etc and he'd be learning from Flynn. As the players come through the setup a 'Wales Way' would be instilled into the players. All hypothetical though, it'll probably just be Flynn until he eventually retires.
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Post by llannerch on Dec 27, 2010 18:24:40 GMT
Has Matthew Jones coached before? I'm curious as to what his credentials might be
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Post by evsbech on Dec 27, 2010 18:48:02 GMT
Totally agree with Welshposh. I know quite a few Hereford fans and read Barnsley & Darlington massage boards when he was appointed and he should never be near the Welsh International set up.
Don't know too much about what went on at Bristol Rovers with Trollope but seemed to do well with Lennie Lawrence as Director of Football but it went a bit pear shaped after he left.
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Post by raptor on Jan 17, 2011 20:25:22 GMT
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Post by alrhyl on Jan 17, 2011 21:17:00 GMT
Is that Justin Fashanu at around 41 secs?? Nice tits!!  |
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Post by squatter1 on Jan 17, 2011 22:16:10 GMT
Best gag of the day Alrhyl. If a little homophobic. And racist.
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Post by alrhyl on Jan 17, 2011 23:04:10 GMT
For a split second I genuinely thought it was Fashanu in his Norwich days 'til I saw those mams bouncing up and down!! ;D
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Post by flynnfan on Jan 18, 2011 9:58:45 GMT
Great post raptor- what a goal! ... and that Justin Fashanu lookalike is HOT!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2011 12:37:16 GMT
Cheers for this raptor - been trying to find that goal for a while - its the way flynn gets the u21s to play.
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Post by raptor on Jan 18, 2011 18:41:18 GMT
How high do you rate this goal in terms of best goals scored by anyone?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2011 14:12:50 GMT
1 - the players are behind him. these days, i don't think layers bother backing a manager they don't like - they either kill him with silence or come out a blast him. or retire. 2 - there was an improvement from bulgaria to switzerland. how often can this be said of us under Tosh? 3 - flynn needs to work with the full squad. i am convinced that if Ramsey was playing, we would have beaten Bulgaria and got something from this game. 4 - he doesn't play favourites - ledley subbed against bulgaria, ditto blake tonight; both for poor performances / tactical reasons. 5 - the tempo HAS increased, now it's a matter of him implementing his patterns. 6 - the alternatives to flynn are pretty awful. Noting point 6 - appears particulary relevant today. A monumental oversight in all. The £500,000 to release Speed from SU just adds insult to injury. |
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Post by ericyoung on Feb 9, 2011 14:36:09 GMT
he's had one game without a full squad.
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Post by texan on Feb 9, 2011 15:47:38 GMT
They only gave Flynn two.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2011 15:52:48 GMT
he's had one game without a full squad. Thats a fair point, but playing Earnie as a focal point of a front 3 and Church playing out wide??? Has Speed not been watching us under Tosh? He chose the formation and then shoe-horned the players available into it, basically demonstrating no craft or guile to get the best out of what he had. Rank amateur stuff. Its schoolboy errors like that that make me think he doesnt deserve a game with a full squad. What will we see against England? Ramsey at CB? Bale in goal? |
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Post by walrus on Feb 9, 2011 20:44:08 GMT
I agree with that storm.
Speed Out........ Krzywicki in.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2011 21:02:34 GMT
I agree with that storm. Speed Out........ Krzywicki in. Rather have a Lagerback that talks about Sweden in his interview than a Speed who didnt even throw his hat in the ring until it went ***s up at his old job. The FAW eh? Gotta love em. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2011 21:14:41 GMT
1 - the players are behind him. these days, i don't think layers bother backing a manager they don't like - they either kill him with silence or come out a blast him. or retire. 2 - there was an improvement from bulgaria to switzerland. how often can this be said of us under Tosh? 3 - flynn needs to work with the full squad. i am convinced that if Ramsey was playing, we would have beaten Bulgaria and got something from this game. 4 - he doesn't play favourites - ledley subbed against bulgaria, ditto blake tonight; both for poor performances / tactical reasons. 5 - the tempo HAS increased, now it's a matter of him implementing his patterns. 6 - the alternatives to flynn are pretty awful. Noting point 6 - appears particulary relevant today. A monumental oversight in all. The £500,000 to release Speed from SU just adds insult to injury. Noting point 6 myself, IMO Flynn is pretty awful, only managed at lower league level and was pretty dire at that. Speed was not my choice, I admit, I wanted to see Lagerback appointed. |
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Post by quetzal on Feb 15, 2011 23:49:15 GMT
I think Craig Bellamy touched on this and it makes sense. What the hell is Brian Flynn doing incharge of the U17's, U19's and the U21's. If he goes then we really are F***ed!
Wales seem to have a decent coaching school with people like Desailly and R Wilkins, R Martinez turning up. UEfA "A" license I believe???
Why don't we give the U17 and U19's a different Coach each. Welshmen who have done all the badges and if Flynn does Piss-Off we can have someone to replace him from the U19's. Makes sense to me.
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Post by idiot on Feb 15, 2011 23:58:22 GMT
just because the likes of desaillly etc achieve their badges here doesnt mean they should be approached to coach welsh sides,the idea of one man being in charge of all youth set ups is a good one at the moment at least
flynns results in the under 21's are out of this world/remarkable etc
BUT,as we've seen,good under 21 players dont always mean good senior players
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Post by quetzal on Feb 16, 2011 0:10:15 GMT
I don't want Desailly. I want WELSHMEN who are qualified to take charge of the U17's and U19's while Flynn remains incharge of the U21's.
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Post by scoop76 on Feb 16, 2011 8:43:14 GMT
Why do you think the U19s have fitted so seamlessly into the U21s... Because Flynn knows them from U19 level. I don't see this doubling up as a problem.
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Post by perthdragon on Feb 16, 2011 11:17:22 GMT
I think Craig Bellamy touched on this and it makes sense. What the hell is Brian Flynn doing incharge of the U17's, U19's and the U21's. If he goes then we really are F***ed! Wales seem to have a decent coaching school with people like Desailly and R Wilkins, R Martinez turning up. UEfA "A" license I believe??? Why don't we give the U17 and U19's a different Coach each. Welshmen who have done all the badges and if Flynn does Piss-Off we can have someone to replace him from the U19's. Makes sense to me. I think you make a good point, but the continuity mentioned later in the thread is also a good point. Maybe keeping Flynn in charge of all the development squads is the right thing to do, but for him to be mentoring someone as an assistant (same assistant for all 3) ready for when he does eventually (which lets be honest won't be too long) hand over the reins. |
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Post by llannerch on Feb 16, 2011 12:50:56 GMT
The structure is the single most important factor in the age-grade success over the last few years. It encourages players to be fast-tracked, regularly monitored, and a consistent approach to preparation and tactics. That Flynn has made the most of it is credit to him, but if he goes, someone else will come along - it wouldn't be the end of the world.
What must NOT CHANGE AT ALL is the structure. Quetzal's proposal shows he doesn't appreciate the value of the structure that's in place and thinks it's all because Flynn has the golden touch...he doesn't
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Post by flynnfan on Feb 16, 2011 13:56:15 GMT
We've got exactly the right structure in place now, for the reasons that llannerch has mentioned. Bellamy was talking bollocks in that interview. And we do have some very good Welsh coaches alredy involved at different levels; David Williams with the U19s, Alan Curtis with the U21's. Results have been very good over the past few years up to U21 level, and plenty of players are coming through to the senior side from the underage set up (far more than in the past I would guess) so I don't know why people are looking to change it? Our U21s have just won 6 home games in a row. Has ANY Welsh international side at any level ever done that before in our 135 year football history?! (maybe, I don't know, but I doubt it. any Welsh football historians out there?)
The problem is at senior level where there's a total absence of a winning mentality. Our players, fans, media etc lack belief.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2011 14:43:53 GMT
The problem is at senior level where there's a total absence of a winning mentality. Our players, fans, media etc lack belief. Anyone else recall how the main positive of a completely new broom during the Tosh years was so the young players wouldnt be associated with a losing mentality? That went well didnt it! Whilst Im highly opinionated (;D) about the senior setup Im not too familiar with the junior levels, apart from that David Williams is a highly talented and well respected coach and that it all seems to be working so thats good enough for me. As the saying goes, if it aint broke, then why fix it? |
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Post by quetzal on Feb 16, 2011 17:22:35 GMT
You are all putting your Eggs in one basket lads. Be very careful because Brian Flynns record in the U17's, U19's and U21's on qualifying is ZIP. Not one of these teams as qualified for a major tournament. There might be someone out there WELSH with the highest UEFA qualifying Badge who could break our DUCK. He's done a great job but as fallen short in qualifying.
Flynn for U21's and new blood for the U17 and U19 incase Flynny takes off to a Premier Academy.
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