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Post by abwales on Jun 5, 2013 14:22:34 GMT
We should never have got rid of Ray and getting Coleman was a bad decision. For as long as we don't qualify I'll always look back and think what if?
HRK will fill Bellamy's position for the foreseeable future and I'm happy with that, he is a good player and will surely get a move to the premier league this summer. What's worrying is what's behind him.
I will always love Craig, I hope he becomes a manager and manages us one day. #hero
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Post by flynnfan on Jun 5, 2013 15:25:25 GMT
Though I'd have reservations about Bellamy as our manager, I'd prefer him to Giggs. We'd cerainly have more of a media presence than we do now with Bellamy in charge!
Perhaps he's the right man to shake up the FAW a bit too? ...which means he'll probably never get the job.
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Post by Tim P on Jun 5, 2013 17:33:55 GMT
Bellamy carries on playing for Wales beyond this campaign.
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Post by flynnfan on Jun 5, 2013 18:56:39 GMT
Bellamy carries on playing for Wales beyond this campaign. Doubt it. But hope so. |
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Post by squatter1 on Jun 5, 2013 19:57:42 GMT
Bellamy quits playing for club and country at the end of next season
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Post by georgetm1 on Jun 7, 2013 9:23:43 GMT
There was quite a good 30 minute interview with Bellamy on HTV last night on a programme called In Touch. I think they might have it on the ITV player. Its worth a watch if its on there.
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Oct 5, 2013 21:49:05 GMT
 In tomorrows paper, Craig Bellamy linked to Welsh managers job! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2013 22:01:55 GMT
Oh for fucks sake.
I did warn you all, typical FAW, cheap Welsh appointment from within when this of all times is the time to show some ambition and get in a proven manager.
If this comes to pass I worry that we will all look back on the Coleman era with fondness. Bellamy might come good, but we should really be looking for someone with a track record before Bale and Ramsey's best days are gone.
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Post by abwales on Oct 5, 2013 22:17:48 GMT
Bellamy with quality coaches backing him up would be a lot better than most other realistic options. I'd take him over the likes of Brian Flynn and Dean Saunders every day of the bloody week.
Our budget means that we won't be able to afford a good experienced manager so our best bet is to give someone just starting out like Speed & Hughes the job rather than terrible managers like Toshack & Coleman. Foreign isn't an option.
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Post by njdragon on Oct 5, 2013 22:21:11 GMT
Bellamy recognises he would be an inexperienced appointment but would bring in some good support for that!
Good choice for me alongside some decent staff, would take no nonsense from the FAW either.
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Oct 5, 2013 22:21:19 GMT
See i would like Flynn to have a chance when Coleman goes, maybe Flynn with Bellamy.
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Post by marsvolta on Oct 5, 2013 22:31:59 GMT
Might prove to be an interesting atmos in the changing room with Colman knowing Bellars is after his job.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2013 22:46:34 GMT
Bellamy with quality coaches backing him up would be a lot better than most other realistic options. I'd take him over the likes of Brian Flynn and Dean Saunders every day of the bloody week. Our budget means that we won't be able to afford a good experienced manager so our best bet is to give someone just starting out like Speed & Hughes the job rather than terrible managers like Toshack & Coleman. Foreign isn't an option. For me that would depend on the quality of his assistants and with a guy like Bellamy in the hot seat I would be looking for a lot more ambition and invention than a phone call to Dutch Ray. Has Bellamy got the diplomatic skills to be a manager? He will most likely need someone on his coaching team who can act as a buffer between him and the players, given the talk of how he would terrorise the younger players everytime they made a mistake. Hopefully he has mellowed a bit since then. Still though, I can't believe that yet again the initial instinct from the FAW is to go for the rookie manager. Ford is a fucking marketing man for fucks sake, can't he get out there and drum up sponsorship or business investment to help fund the role of manager as Ireland did? We are so small time it is unbelievable. |
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Post by Tim P on Oct 5, 2013 22:51:01 GMT
I called this on here a couple of days ago.
Bellamy will be out of work in the summer. Despite playing for england in the Olympics, he is a patriot and I think he'd find it difficult to turn the job down.
However he's also gone on record as saying he wants to travel and observe coaching all over the world, learn his trade, and then take a job and work up from there.
Baxter - Flynn was an absolute disaster.
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Oct 5, 2013 22:56:11 GMT
Yea i agree but two games isnt enough to do anything in my opinion.
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Post by President Bale on Oct 5, 2013 23:51:42 GMT
Bellamy with quality coaches backing him up would be a lot better than most other realistic options. I'd take him over the likes of Brian Flynn and Dean Saunders every day of the bloody week. Our budget means that we won't be able to afford a good experienced manager so our best bet is to give someone just starting out like Speed & Hughes the job rather than terrible managers like Toshack & Coleman. Foreign isn't an option. OK fair enough on the budget front - but why does this necessarily mean 'foreign isn't an option'? Do you believe that out there in this big old world of ours there isn't someone who would accept a chance to manage a team with Gareth Bale, Aaron Ramsey and Ashley Williams, potentially against some of Europe's top national sides, even for fairly little pay? Be creative then, offer short cheap contracts but with fantastic bonuses and extensions etc for wins and qualification. Sell the bloody job as a relatively risk free opportunity for a manager to enhance their reputation, (look, our results can barely get any worse) They've at least got to try... Its a basic philosophical position really - stick with something that you know isn't working (i.e successions of domestic Welsh managers who to varying degrees and in different ways ultimately fail to deliver) or try the unknown, go foreign and give luck / fate it's chance. This is the time to break the mold. Please surprise me FAW! |
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Post by llannerch on Oct 6, 2013 7:10:14 GMT
Bellamy is a shit or bust appointment and allows the FAW to pander to populist sentiment so if it goes wrong they can say 'told you so'. If Bellamy is the right man for the job then it should as part of a recruitment process
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Post by njdragon on Oct 6, 2013 8:56:22 GMT
Who do you think sets the bar higher Bellamy or the FAW? He always demands the best.
Bellamy if chosen will appoint a very decent (possibly) foreign coach.
I'd take Bellamy's chosen back room staff alone over any other manager the FAW can come up with.
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Post by Tim P on Oct 6, 2013 9:13:33 GMT
Who do you think sets the bar higher Bellamy or the FAW? He always demands the best. Bellamy if chosen will appoint a very decent (possibly) foreign coach. I'd take Bellamy's chosen back room staff alone over any other manager the FAW can come up with. Interesting point, but who in the coaching world does Bellamy know? He's never played abroad. Has he ever stayed at a club long enough to build up bonds with suitable coaches? He hasn't done his coaching badges so won't have had a chance to observe the best up and coming coaches. Not being negative, just wondering. He may well want the best coaches, but would he know who they are? And would they work with him? |
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Post by hookd on Oct 6, 2013 9:34:44 GMT
Bellamy would be a disaster! Come on - he has never coached and has a confrontational personality! Part of our problem has been the extreme pride of our managers (Coleman, Toshack) leading to their refusal to play of some our players. If you want to go down that route then you are better off with someone like Giggs - he is more akin to speed and is hardly likely to crucify his players in public.
Bellamy is totally a Welsh patriot but should prove himself as a coach first. Hartson is a patriot but can you imagine if that clown was in charge?
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Post by toshfan on Oct 6, 2013 11:44:15 GMT
Part of our problem has been the extreme pride of our managers (Coleman, Toshack) leading to their refusal to play of some our players. This statement rarely gets challenged. Give me a list to back up the above, especially in the case of John Toshack. Oh, John Hartson is no clown. He is a decent man who is kind to people he meets and he is a very very proud Welshman. |
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Post by toshfan on Oct 6, 2013 11:52:43 GMT
I am not as against him being given a shot in the future but much depends on which managerial style he would emulate. Never again must we need someone to save Welsh Football which is what was needed when Sparky left us.
In the more immediate term, if Coleman's term does come to an end, I challenge adovates of a Bellamy appointment to state why he is better than (i) Paulo Sausa and (ii) Glenn Hoddle?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2013 12:38:15 GMT
If funds are a constraint and we are going welsh i would be happy with a bellamy/dutch ray leadership team.
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Post by abwales on Oct 6, 2013 12:47:02 GMT
In the more immediate term, if Coleman's term does come to an end, I challenge adovates of a Bellamy appointment to state why he is better than (i) Paulo Sausa and (ii) Glenn Hoddle? (i) he isn't Welsh and the FAW won't go foreign so shouldn't even be considered an option by the fans. (ii) he isn't Welsh and the FAW won't go foreign so shouldn't even be considered an option by the fans. I'd prefer an experienced foreign manager that has been successful in the past, but it just won't happen!!!!!!! Dean Saunders is going to get the job. I JUST KNOW IT!!!!!!!! Depression meter would just go through the roof. |
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Oct 6, 2013 13:52:37 GMT
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Post by saints19 on Oct 6, 2013 14:06:14 GMT
Bellamy and Dutch Ray would either be amazing or amazingly shit. There's no middle ground. They'd either inspire us to qualification or Bellamy would literally leave Sam Vokes trailing shit through the dressing room and call himself up to the squad as a 36 year old player, with the result that we lose our first seven games through half our players mutineering and the other half paralysed by fear, and even the Western Mail calls for him to be sacked.
I'd prefer someone more solid like Sousa, but in all honesty, I can't see him even leaving Maccabi Tel Aviv to manage Wales. Possibly, if we were willing to spend big money. But that will never happen. If the FAW do decide they are serious about hiring a good manager, I've said it before - Giovanni Trapattoni. Very solid job at the FAI and would I believe make us serious candidates for qualification.
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Post by saints19 on Oct 6, 2013 14:11:37 GMT
Oh, and I agree. It's absolutely time to try foreign. It's clear that uninspiring Welsh managers are not getting us anywhere. The only ones who've come close are Hughes and maybe Speed, we'll never know. Toshack was a good appointment but came in at a time when we simply didn't have the players to compete, by the time we did he was past it. Toshack is probably the only proven appointment we've made in about 20 years. Says it all really.
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Post by Tim P on Oct 6, 2013 15:14:00 GMT
Part of our problem has been the extreme pride of our managers (Coleman, Toshack) leading to their refusal to play of some our players. This statement rarely gets challenged. Give me a list to back up the above, especially in the case of John Toshack. Oh, John Hartson is no clown. He is a decent man who is kind to people he meets and he is a very very proud Welshman. I agree that Toshack is slightly unfairly treated as far as this goes. You could say Savage, Paul Parry, Danny Rat Collins, not sure who else. Most of the players just got on with it. John Hartson may be a nice man but in what sense does that make him in any way suitable for a management job? I'd be interested to hear an argument that supports his case. |
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Post by njdragon on Oct 6, 2013 16:01:49 GMT
Who do you think sets the bar higher Bellamy or the FAW? He always demands the best. Bellamy if chosen will appoint a very decent (possibly) foreign coach. I'd take Bellamy's chosen back room staff alone over any other manager the FAW can come up with. Interesting point, but who in the coaching world does Bellamy know? He's never played abroad. Has he ever stayed at a club long enough to build up bonds with suitable coaches? He hasn't done his coaching badges so won't have had a chance to observe the best up and coming coaches. Not being negative, just wondering. He may well want the best coaches, but would he know who they are? And would they work with him? Honestly i dont know but he has the coaching school abroad - he wouldn't have to personally know a top coach to bring them in. I expect he'd want the best so would interview for these positions. He's also worked under some very good managers, daglish, Benitez, O'neill, Bobby Robson, hughes, Mancini, Curbishly. I like the way he comes across too, articulate for a footballer and well spoken much in the same way as i thought speed was. Someone you can imagine the players looking up too. Again a student of the modern game. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2013 16:05:02 GMT
The problem with Dutch Ray is that the major success on his CV is supporting a manager who already knew what he was doing. Other than that you are looking at 3 competitive wins alongside Speed, which doesn't really tell us anything about whether he and Bellamy would be a good long term option.
As has been stated above, when you look at it Toshack has been the only appointment the FAW have made with any decent experience in many a decade. When are they going to stop with these fucking hit and hope cheap shit appointments and actually take qualification seriously like a professional outfit?
We have one of the worlds best players available to us and yet the ambition from the top has been and continues to be "just do enough to get by". The 3 names so far, Pulis, Giggs and Bellamy just reek of this. Only one of that lot is actually qualified to do the job and yet that's not even the reason he is a contender, it's just because he is Welsh. The other two are sort of shirt seller appointments that Ford seems to approve of. Where's the fucking ambition?!
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