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Post by njdragon on Oct 6, 2013 16:21:58 GMT
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Post by Tim P on Oct 6, 2013 16:32:41 GMT
Interesting point, but who in the coaching world does Bellamy know? He's never played abroad. Has he ever stayed at a club long enough to build up bonds with suitable coaches? He hasn't done his coaching badges so won't have had a chance to observe the best up and coming coaches. Not being negative, just wondering. He may well want the best coaches, but would he know who they are? And would they work with him? Honestly i dont know but he has the coaching school abroad - he wouldn't have to personally know a top coach to bring them in. I expect he'd want the best so would interview for these positions. He's also worked under some very good managers, daglish, Benitez, O'neill, Bobby Robson, hughes, Mancini, Curbishly. I like the way he comes across too, articulate for a footballer and well spoken much in the same way as i thought speed was. Someone you can imagine the players looking up too. Again a student of the modern game. Good points. But for me, I'd like to see us go for Trappatoni and give Bellamy a chance with the U21s. |
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Post by hookd on Oct 6, 2013 16:35:16 GMT
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Post by Tim P on Oct 6, 2013 16:39:37 GMT
Where is the money coming from to pay for Trappatoni? The reformed FAW! |
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Post by toshfan on Oct 6, 2013 16:40:03 GMT
This statement rarely gets challenged. Give me a list to back up the above, especially in the case of John Toshack. Oh, John Hartson is no clown. He is a decent man who is kind to people he meets and he is a very very proud Welshman. I agree that Toshack is slightly unfairly treated as far as this goes. You could say Savage, Paul Parry, Danny Rat Collins, not sure who else. Most of the players just got on with it. John Hartson may be a nice man but in what sense does that make him in any way suitable for a management job? I'd be interested to hear an argument that supports his case. The three names you mention went through no fault of John Toshack whatsoever. I do not support Hartson to replace Coleman, just do not think that calling him a clown is necessary. He deserves our respect. |
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Post by toshfan on Oct 6, 2013 16:41:58 GMT
He's also worked under some very good managers, ...., hughes...... Jeez! |
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Post by toshfan on Oct 6, 2013 16:44:14 GMT
In the more immediate term, if Coleman's term does come to an end, I challenge adovates of a Bellamy appointment to state why he is better than (i) Paulo Sausa and (ii) Glenn Hoddle? (i) he isn't Welsh and the FAW won't go foreign so shouldn't even be considered an option by the fans. (ii) he isn't Welsh and the FAW won't go foreign so shouldn't even be considered an option by the fans. I'd prefer an experienced foreign manager that has been successful in the past, but it just won't happen!!!!!!! Dean Saunders is going to get the job. I JUST KNOW IT!!!!!!!! Depression meter would just go through the roof. Two things here: (1) Have the FAW really said that there would not be an appointment other than of someone Welsh? (2) Assuming that there is no evidence of this, interested in responses to my previous question. |
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Post by njdragon on Oct 6, 2013 16:46:02 GMT
No you're right Tosh fan, hughes is a shit manager who's been lucky. |
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Post by toshfan on Oct 6, 2013 16:47:10 GMT
Please all listen to this. Whilst I would keep Coleman, I do not think that this will happen. If he goes, I have stuck with Sausa or Hoddle as options.
Today, I saw someone else suggest an alternative and the suggestion is beyond brilliant. Nigel Clough. Why is this so brilliant?
(1) Not in a job - no compensation
(2) Believes in Youth
(3) Believes in good football
(4) Would surely consider the job because if he did well after a few years, his stock would hit the roof.
Think about it!
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Post by cymroircarn on Oct 6, 2013 17:32:16 GMT
Clough could be a realistic candidate.
Pulis will surely throw his hat in the ring.
Anyone else?
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Post by scoop76 on Oct 7, 2013 8:59:43 GMT
For what it's worth, I think those odds on 33/1 for Bellamy will tumble. I think there's some substance in that story.
Clough's an interesting one, especially as his Dad came so close to managing Wales. But do we want someone who can build for the future - or someone who can get the best out of this squad for Euro 2016 and WC 2018? Clough might be a better fit as U21 & U17 manager.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 12:14:18 GMT
For what it's worth, I think those odds on 33/1 for Bellamy will tumble. I think there's some substance in that story. Clough's an interesting one, especially as his Dad came so close to managing Wales. But do we want someone who can build for the future - or someone who can get the best out of this squad for Euro 2016 and WC 2018? Clough might be a better fit as U21 & U17 manager. When RV came to Wales for two days of meetings he went to the Cardiff City set up at the Vale. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 12:18:38 GMT
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Post by toshfan on Oct 7, 2013 12:24:50 GMT
For what it's worth, I think those odds on 33/1 for Bellamy will tumble. I think there's some substance in that story. Clough's an interesting one, especially as his Dad came so close to managing Wales. But do we want someone who can build for the future - or someone who can get the best out of this squad for Euro 2016 and WC 2018? Clough might be a better fit as U21 & U17 manager. I actually think with Nigel Clough we have someone who will get the best out of our players, whilst continuing to play football and believe in u21s and player development. Him being u21 manager is a non-starter. If Flynn does not return as u21 manager, Clough may have someone else in mind as there has been a good u21 story to tell at Derby. Your question - even if not your intention - does raised the question of how a Bellamy/Ray partnership would prioritise the youth revolution that Toshack started? I, for one, do not want to go back to the pre-Toshack years. |
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Oct 7, 2013 13:37:02 GMT
The Craig Bellamy and Raymond Verheijen (Dutch Ray) rumours are starting to gather some momentum and taking up column inches in the press again today. Having thought about it im actually excited by this, yes they are both loose cannons, they both know thier football and also have expierience of being in this camp. The players know Ray and would certainly run through brick walls for Bellars. Would the faw take such a risk? Would Ray work with the faw again? The play it safe route hasnt worked, maybe its time for a gamble!! Bellars Barmy Army |
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Post by texan on Oct 7, 2013 14:14:00 GMT
The Western Mail trying to be kingmaker, again.
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Post by luke on Oct 7, 2013 15:27:59 GMT
I'd be happy with Bellamy and Dutch Ray. Bit of excitement. Maybe we need some characters who will get people talking about the national side.
I think we're at the level where there isn't that much choice, and playing it safe doesn't make a difference. At this rate, if we do finish bottom, there's no particular reason to think we'll qualify next time. So we're not throwing anything away by going for a risky appointment, and we could gain from it. Results wouldn't really be any worse than they are now and if it worked we'd have a shot at qualifying.
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Post by welshiron on Oct 7, 2013 15:54:07 GMT
I would rather go for an experienced manager with maybe Bellamy working alongside with a view of taking over a few years down the line.
My first thoughts are to go for Pulis, I think he will encourage them to play football whilst going direct at times
If we are to be adventurous then we need a top international manager, with players like ale and Ramsey it is vital that we get a good start to the new campaign.
I do not want dutch ray anywhere near the national team.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 16:04:24 GMT
I would rather go for an experienced manager with maybe Bellamy working alongside with a view of taking over a few years down the line. My first thoughts are to go for Pulis, I think he will encourage them to play football..... I stopped reading after this bit. |
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Post by welshiron on Oct 7, 2013 16:29:58 GMT
I was trying to make the point that just becuse he went long ball with Stoke doesn't mean he will if he manages Wales. With Bale and Ramsey any manager will want to get the ball down and play.
However, on ccassions we all want them to get the ball forward a little quicker and that is something that will happen under Pulis.
If we go for a welsh manager then the only other viable options are Jackett and it seems Bellamy.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 16:56:52 GMT
I really don't want Craig Bellamy, not now anyway.
Best options IMO:
Brian Flynn (realistic)
Paulo Sausa
Glenn Hoddle
Nigel Clough
Philippe Troussier
Bert van Marwijk
Lars Lagerback
Kenny Jackett
My prediction: Tony Pulis
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Post by abwales on Oct 7, 2013 18:46:52 GMT
The favourite for the job in my opinion is Dean Saunders and what a disaster he'd be.
I'm not even considering non-Welsh managers because I don't think the FAW will go for one.
That leaves Jackett who has a good thing going with Wolves, would command a good amount of compensation and Wolves really wouldn't want to let him go.
Pulis will be too expensive. He's still good enough to be a premier league manager and I'm sure expects his next job to be a premier league job. We don't pay anywhere near premier league wages.
I think Brian Flynn's relationship with the FAW doesn't make him a candidate.
I'm scared about the possibility of Symons or Geraint Williams getting the job...
If I was setting odds I'd have:
Dean Saunders 2/1
Bellamy 20/1
Jackett 20/1
Pulis 33/1
Symons 33/1
Geraint Williams 33/1
Flynn 66/1
Giggs 66/1
I have no connections obviously, just my feeling.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2013 18:59:27 GMT
The Western Mail trying to be kingmaker, again. Yup |
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Post by hookd on Oct 7, 2013 19:59:03 GMT
Saunders - you are joking.Not possible surely?
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Post by welshwizard79 on Oct 7, 2013 20:19:10 GMT
Geraint Williams should be 333330000/1 more like
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Post by toshfan on Oct 7, 2013 20:24:34 GMT
As I was the first person (I think) on Apostle to suggest this appointment, I am happy to give my reasons: 1) Crucially, he would tighten up the defense without compromising on possession football; 2) The above transition would be easier for him than it was at Swansea as we are not quite 'Total Football' philosophically as Swansea were when Martinez left; 3) Understands continental football; 4) Something tells me that he, like Glenn Hoddle, would do better at international football than domestic. Do not ask me to articulate this one. It is just a gut instinct. |
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Post by toshfan on Oct 7, 2013 20:27:24 GMT
Saunders - you are joking.Not possible surely? I would not suggest this appointment either but those of who get excited about passion from a manager maybe a are hoist by their own petard? |
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Post by toshfan on Oct 7, 2013 20:28:45 GMT
Oh, more generally, I think it would be narrow minded, and out of date, to insist that the manager is a Welshman.
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Post by toshfan on Oct 7, 2013 20:32:16 GMT
No you're right Tosh fan, hughes is a shit manager who's been lucky. I would not go that fair and have never suggested it. He did an excellent job at Blackburn and Fulham. I loved him as a player for us but there is a real lack of objectivity and consideration of his tenure end-to-end and what he left when stood down. |
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