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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 14:47:51 GMT
Gunter in 'backs manager' shock. Gunter would back a turd if it was the manager. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 14:49:37 GMT
I don't particularly hold a candle for Pulis but we'd get the occasional result under him. He'd be a Lawrie Sanchez-N.Ireland type appointment As for us returning to the stone ages under him as someone says somewhere...he wouldn't have a technical role as that is Osian Roberts' role and or isn't answerable to the national manager so it wouldn't be the retrograde step you might think Plus Pulis might be criticised for being reductive and unsophisticated in his style but he is also pragmatic. Would he really not make use of the likes of Allen, Ramsey, Vaughan and full backs like Taylor and Matthews? I always wanted a Laurie Sanchez type of appointment. |
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Post by abwales on Oct 9, 2013 15:11:23 GMT
Why is being Welsh a pre-requisite? BECAUSE IT IS in the eyes of the employer. You need to get it into your head and so do some other people on this forum. Suggesting people like Sousa and Clough is just ridiculous. |
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Post by toshfan on Oct 9, 2013 15:47:51 GMT
Why is being Welsh a pre-requisite? BECAUSE IT IS in the eyes of the employer. You need to get it into your head and so do some other people on this forum. Suggesting people like Sousa and Clough is just ridiculous. No, what I need to get in my head is a clear policy statement from the FAW. My position is that we should not be so narrow minded and insist on a Welshman. As for my suggestions being ridiculous, unlike others, you do not give reasons. Will you? |
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Post by toshfan on Oct 9, 2013 15:50:09 GMT
I don't particularly hold a candle for Pulis but we'd get the occasional result under him. He'd be a Lawrie Sanchez-N.Ireland type appointment I should copyright my postings  Others will not like it but would make one amendment to the above from "Lawrie Sanchez-N.Ireland" to: "Lawrie Sanchez-N.Ireland/Mark Hughes-Wales" |
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Post by dayoo87 on Oct 9, 2013 16:04:03 GMT
Why is being Welsh a pre-requisite? BECAUSE IT IS in the eyes of the employer. You need to get it into your head and so do some other people on this forum. Suggesting people like Sousa and Clough is just ridiculous. It's cost more than nationality as far as I can see. They had no problem hiring Bobby Gould, presumably on the cheap. If a manager with experience in getting average international teams to play above themselves (think Lagerback, or younger versions of Beenhakker and Rehhagel) was available for peanuts I'm sure the FAW would snap them up. Unfortunately, they don't appear to want to spend any bigger than ex-Welsh internationals with little/no positive managerial track record or experience. More often than not you get what you pay for. |
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Post by abwales on Oct 9, 2013 17:07:04 GMT
BECAUSE IT IS in the eyes of the employer. You need to get it into your head and so do some other people on this forum. Suggesting people like Sousa and Clough is just ridiculous. No, what I need to get in my head is a clear policy statement from the FAW. My position is that we should not be so narrow minded and insist on a Welshman. As for my suggestions being ridiculous, unlike others, you do not give reasons. Will you? I say suggesting the likes of Sousa and Clough is ridiculous BECAUSE of the FAW's policies when appointing managers, not because they're bad managers or bad fits for the job. I have no opinion on non-Welsh managers because I simply think there's no chance in hell of one being appointed. I completely agree that we shouldn't be narrow minded. By only selecting cheap Welsh managers our pool of candidates is very small. One of the biggest reasons why the FAW needs change. |
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Post by squatter1 on Oct 9, 2013 19:47:10 GMT
Gunter would back a turd if it was the manager. It would be an interesting exercise to put that to a controlled experiment to see if true. I have a feeling my recent Collins In campaign has had a direct effect on Ginge's return to the squad. So what I might do is drop my current Pulis In campaign, and adopt a Turd In stance and see if I can make it happen. Not impossible to imagine seeing Mr Hanky in a Tracksuit with MH stitched into it leading us out for the next campaign. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 20:43:19 GMT
Gunter would back a turd if it was the manager. It would be an interesting exercise to put that to a controlled experiment to see if true. I have a feeling my recent Collins In campaign has had a direct effect on Ginge's return to the squad. So what I might do is drop my current Pulis In campaign, and adopt a Turd In stance and see if I can make it happen. Not impossible to imagine seeing Mr Hanky in a Tracksuit with MH stitched into it leading us out for the next campaign. As long as it's Welsh and doesn't want too much bunce to do the job then it will possess all the qualities expected of a Welsh international footballer manager. So it would have to be in with a shout. Personally I would pay good money to see Coleman's mrs on Sky sports news explain how a turd had just become the red hot favorite for the job, followed by an interview with Gunter where he backs the turd 100% to bring qualification glory to Wales. |
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Post by Tim P on Oct 9, 2013 20:55:13 GMT
Bellamy is the new manager, this is almost inevitable now. He wants it, it's happening. I'm excited and slightly nervous. He can't be worse than Coleman.
For me, the most interesting thing is who he brings in as part of his team.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 21:01:03 GMT
In fact bring Dutch Ray in alongside it and thats the dream ticket for Euro 2016, imo. Dutch Ray knows all about what its like to be a number 2 so the pair of them should get on like a house on fire.
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Post by georgetm1 on Oct 9, 2013 21:04:37 GMT
Bellamy getting the job straight away with no management experience is crazy. I honestly reckon we should have Pulis as manager and Bellamy the assistant. I think Pulis will make us harder to beat, it will give Bellamy a good learning platform and the FAW can keep him involved until he gets the top job.
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Oct 9, 2013 21:06:43 GMT
Sparky had no experience mind..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 21:26:25 GMT
Storm you made me laugh a bit reading some of this...!
But bellamy and verheijen will work. Bellamy's commitment will stand him in good stead (like it did with speed). He has worked under bobby robson, benitez, mancini (coleman.......er....scratch that).
Verheijen can put the systems in place and help with the tactical side.
The players will be galvanised.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 21:26:57 GMT
Storm you made me laugh a bit reading some of this...!
But bellamy and verheijen will work. Bellamy's commitment will stand him in good stead (like it did with speed). He has worked under bobby robson, benitez, mancini (coleman.......er....scratch that).
Verheijen can put the systems in place and help with the tactical side.
The players will be galvanised.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 21:35:46 GMT
Dutch Ray won't work for the FAW again.
I expect Pulis to be offered the job......and turn it down.
Bellamy will get it by default. Fuck knows who his assistants will be. I can only forsee more of the same for at least another campaign.
Seriously, the turd gets more and more appealing when you consider our options.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 21:41:40 GMT
Why was ray having meetings at cardiff city 2 weeks ago?
Why is bananaman implying a bellamy/verheijen ticket?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 22:00:25 GMT
Why was ray having meetings at cardiff city 2 weeks ago? Why is bananaman implying a bellamy/verheijen ticket? Bananaman basically regurgitates anything we say so I wouldn't read too much into his predictions. He will be touting the turd tomorrow as the new favorite for the job. Who knows about the meetings? What I do know is that the FAW are not the sort to tap up replacements behind the current managers back. Coleman will get the boot and then they will start looking about for a replacement. Not to mention I don't think they will have been amused at Ray's conduct following Speed's death. It was very lacking in subtlety and respect how he tried to manoeuvre himself into the top job via twitter and that will not have gone down well with the FAW and served to burn his bridges with them. |
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Post by squatter1 on Oct 9, 2013 22:29:56 GMT
"Bananaman basically regurgitates anything we say so I wouldn't read too much into his predictions. He will be touting the turd tomorrow as the new favorite for the job."
That really would be an unexpected but interesting side result from my experimental campaign.
Bellamy though - has it really come to this? The Golden Generation not only in the hands of a complete novice, but also one with a track record in self-implosions. I'd get behind him to the hilt if it happened, but primarily because that would be safer than being in front of him.
However, Georgetm's proposal of Pulis/Bellamy I like a lot more. Perfectly feasible. The money wouldn't necessarily be a stopping point if Pulis fancied the job as a Welshman. He's already a wealthy man and a shot at international glory with Wales trumps what he could realistically achieve at club level.
I think the questions are:
1. Do the young players love Bellamy?
2. Do Pulis and Bellamy love each other?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 22:56:58 GMT
RV could have been in Cardiff simply because he's bringing his football academy thingy to the UK soon.
Not sure what he offered us, was it simply the fitness side of things or was he the tactical brains behind Speedo?
I'd prefer having Craig Bellamy as a coach first before managing us, but can't see him working with Tony Pulis because imo they have very different philosophies and it just wouldn't balance correctly.
One thing that's for sure is that Bellamy is just as passionate as Coleman and is desperate to see us reach a major tournament.
Bellamy, with Giggs, Hartson and somebody else?
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Post by Tim P on Oct 10, 2013 7:50:39 GMT
Bellamy, with Giggs, Hartson and somebody else? Can't in a million years seeing Bellamy give Hartson a job. Giggs? That would be an interesting one. I don't know the dynamics between the two (i.e. does Giggs consider himself to be senior to Bellamy?) |
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Post by texan on Oct 10, 2013 9:08:48 GMT
Why was ray having meetings at cardiff city 2 weeks ago? Why is bananaman implying a bellamy/verheijen ticket? I know some of Cardiff City's current coaches are affiliated with the World Football Academy (Verheijen's baby) and there's been talk on their forums recently of them holding a few courses in Wales & the West, so its probably that. Or simply that CCFC's coaches invited him in for some advice with training/recovery etc. Abbandonato's doing what he does best, put two and two together to come up with 50. The story is out-and-out lies concocted by Media Wales themselves, with Abbo gleefully stirring the pot all week. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2013 9:22:04 GMT
"Bananaman basically regurgitates anything we say so I wouldn't read too much into his predictions. He will be touting the turd tomorrow as the new favorite for the job." That really would be an unexpected but interesting side result from my experimental campaign. Bellamy though - has it really come to this? The Golden Generation not only in the hands of a complete novice, but also one with a track record in self-implosions. I'd get behind him to the hilt if it happened, but primarily because that would be safer than being in front of him. However, Georgetm's proposal of Pulis/Bellamy I like a lot more. Perfectly feasible. The money wouldn't necessarily be a stopping point if Pulis fancied the job as a Welshman. He's already a wealthy man and a shot at international glory with Wales trumps what he could realistically achieve at club level. I think the questions are: 1. Do the young players love Bellamy? 2. Do Pulis and Bellamy love each other? So Squatter, you would rather discard Verheijen (to work alongside Bellamy) who has instigated this........ worldfootballacademy.com/about/organisation/'The World Football Academy is a contemporary organisation providing coaches, staff members and practitioners with the opportunity to access seminars, courses and workshops on an ongoing basis that will help develop knowledge in all the football related areas of expertise. Building on the success of the Dutch Football Academy and it’s football specific approach the World Football Academy brings the best and most experienced coaches and professionals in the world to your doorstep.' Have a look at the 'Course Programme' - this is cutting edge sports science designed to maximise the last % out of the resources available. Gus Hiddink is the Ambassador. ........and insert Tony Pulis instead? |
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Post by texan on Oct 10, 2013 9:32:19 GMT
Not sure what he offered us, was it simply the fitness side of things or was he the tactical brains behind Speedo? Verheijen and Roden concentrated on performance and training, Speed/Roberts were the main tacticians. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2013 10:43:51 GMT
Bellamy in latest article from wales online:
“This group of players can get us to a major tournament. With there being extra spaces next time it gives us an even better chance. It is hard to give up on that personally and I still don’t know, but there are times you have to do what is right.
“And this is a different group now. We have a style of football, which I think could be tweaked a little bit. A couple of years ago we were the most improved team in world football, so the talent is there, it has been proven.
“The last couple of years have not been as we would have liked, but this is no longer a case of the players not being good enough. This group are good enough, we need to get it right as an FA and everyone leading football in this country.”
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Post by squatter1 on Oct 10, 2013 10:54:48 GMT
[/quote]So Squatter, you would rather discard Verheijen (to work alongside Bellamy) who has instigated this........ worldfootballacademy.com/about/organisation/'The World Football Academy is a contemporary organisation providing coaches, staff members and practitioners with the opportunity to access seminars, courses and workshops on an ongoing basis that will help develop knowledge in all the football related areas of expertise. Building on the success of the Dutch Football Academy and it’s football specific approach the World Football Academy brings the best and most experienced coaches and professionals in the world to your doorstep.' Have a look at the 'Course Programme' - this is cutting edge sports science designed to maximise the last % out of the resources available. Gus Hiddink is the Ambassador. ........and insert Tony Pulis instead? [/quote] To my knowledge Dutch Ray is a fitness and conditioning specialist. Got no problem with him joining the Pulis/Bellamy revolution. But Dutch Ray as coach/manager/tactician/whatever? When has he ever had a job in that capacity? |
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Post by njdragon on Oct 10, 2013 11:02:43 GMT
But Dutch Ray as coach/manager/tactician/whatever? When has he ever had a job in that capacity? [/quote] Gary Speeds No2 and as assistant coach at Armenia so both international jobs as assistant coach. Not just a fitness/performance coach. He has been to world cups and euros as a fitness/performance coach with Russia, Korea, etc |
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Post by njdragon on Oct 10, 2013 11:06:49 GMT
But Dutch Ray as coach/manager/tactician/whatever? When has he ever had a job in that capacity? [/quote] sorry Wales manager Gary Speed names Raymond Verheijen as asistant manager
Verheijen, 39, has had spells working with the Australia, South Korea, Russia and Holland national teams, and was also a conditioning specialist at Manchester City under former Wales manager Mark Hughes and his successor Roberto Mancini. He left City last year and now takes up another position in international football alongside Speed, having previously worked under Frank Rijkaard, Louis Van Gaal, Guus Hiddink and Dick Advocaat. Verheijen will have his first involvement as Speed’s number two in the build-up to Wales’ Carling Nations Cup match against the Republic of Ireland on Tuesday. Speed said: "I am delighted to have Raymond on board as part of my team. His experience will prove invaluable and his credentials are first class. "I look forward to working closely with him over the next few years, starting of course with my first game in charge in Dublin on Tuesday." |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2013 11:08:43 GMT
So Squatter, you would rather discard Verheijen (to work alongside Bellamy) who has instigated this........ worldfootballacademy.com/about/organisation/'The World Football Academy is a contemporary organisation providing coaches, staff members and practitioners with the opportunity to access seminars, courses and workshops on an ongoing basis that will help develop knowledge in all the football related areas of expertise. Building on the success of the Dutch Football Academy and it’s football specific approach the World Football Academy brings the best and most experienced coaches and professionals in the world to your doorstep.' Have a look at the 'Course Programme' - this is cutting edge sports science designed to maximise the last % out of the resources available. Gus Hiddink is the Ambassador. ........and insert Tony Pulis instead? [/quote] To my knowledge Dutch Ray is a fitness and conditioning specialist. Got no problem with him joining the Pulis/Bellamy revolution. But Dutch Ray as coach/manager/tactician/whatever? When has he ever had a job in that capacity? [/quote] err.....did you actually bother to review the link? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2013 11:21:40 GMT
Not sure what he offered us, was it simply the fitness side of things or was he the tactical brains behind Speedo? Verheijen and Roden concentrated on performance and training, Speed/Roberts were the main tacticians. So the great Raymondo is just a physio then? Why the clamour for him to be given some sort of managerial job?! Bizarre. |
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