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Post by winsumluzsum on Jul 10, 2024 9:35:15 GMT
It's also worth noting that Bellamy himself retired from the international scene prior to his club retirement. So he understands only too well what it's like to have a body that's no longer functioning as it once was.
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Post by morg on Jul 10, 2024 9:47:27 GMT
Don't see why Joe couldn't make the 26 world cup at 36. If he regains fitness and gets a regular run of games then why not? If he's fully fit, he's still probably the best we've got. Just signed a new 1 yr contract? Same with Ramsey. Have you seen some of the ages on display at these Euros?
Big 'ifs' I know but we seem to write off players due to age a lot earlier than most.
Hennessy I could see retiring. Injured and without a club.
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Post by jimexotic on Jul 10, 2024 11:06:26 GMT
You'd like to think that in two years time our midfield options will be good enough that we won't have to call up a player who is already a shadow of his former self.
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Post by surge on Jul 10, 2024 11:16:13 GMT
I do think he needs the right team around him to get the most out of this, but at a point when I am a little concerned about different challenges (you know my big questions by now: future of GK, striker, reduced funding based on not qualifying), a passionate and articulate man like Bellamy does fire something up in me.
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Post by morg on Jul 10, 2024 11:22:48 GMT
I do think he needs the right team around him to get the most out of this, but at a point when I am a little concerned about different challenges (you know my big questions by now: future of GK, striker, reduced funding based on not qualifying), a passionate and articulate man like Bellamy does fire something up in me. Ditto. Point re right team is a good one though. Like the sound of Simon Davies. (Ex Man U, not ex Fulham) but has a bright future at Spurs by the sound of it. Would Carl Robinson be a good shout? |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Jul 10, 2024 14:50:24 GMT
"If you don’t put the effort in, it’s something I really struggle to cope with. If we play incredibly well, we might not get a result, but I’m good. Losing and not being able to play well or giving your all during that period, I find that difficult."
There is much to like in Bellamy's first presser. However, that first sentence is a cause for some concern. Not everyone is as all in as Bellamy is, everybody's personality is different. Does he understand this and make allowances? Does he get irate with players he perceives as not giving 100% or does he try and cajole improved effort from them? How he deals with the likes of Johnson will have a big bearing on Bellamy's success or otherwise.
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Post by welrus on Jul 10, 2024 18:56:57 GMT
Wouldnt have been my choice but need to forget that now and get behind him.
Thought he did reasonable first interviews and his passion shines through.
Seems he wants to play a controlling possession and pressing game. Sounds great if we can pull it off. But worried whether we have the calibre and fitness of players to pull it off. Get it wrong and we could ship a lot of goals.
Key for me is him demonstrating footbal nous in setting up against the opposition.
Looking forward to the Nations League. Good luck Craig.
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Post by rushy on Jul 10, 2024 19:15:26 GMT
I don't see the arm around the shoulder routine with Bellers, pretty sure he will be asking for more from players, which might include them playing regurlarly at club level.
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Post by rushy on Jul 10, 2024 20:22:17 GMT
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Post by iot on Jul 10, 2024 21:58:15 GMT
Yeah, that was massive for Burnley where they would changes their shape several times every game. When they were in the Championship, you'd have Connor Roberts spending most of his time in midfield when in possession and back at RB when out of possession, they'd go to a back 5 and then a 4. It would change all the time. It worked really well for them in the Championship. The key test is whether that can be done in international football when you have less than 10% of the time that club managers get. |
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Post by surge on Jul 10, 2024 22:32:32 GMT
I think that there are some positives to being a smaller nation, as well as the known challenges. Most nations might struggle with tactics at international level but we basically have 25-35 players who have known each other since they were 8 years old (not entirely serious but the overall point stands) so hopefully a little bit easier to be adaptable.
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Post by rushy on Jul 11, 2024 9:33:38 GMT
Taking into account the limited time on the training ground Craig has to implement his style of play, I'm sure he realises it will be a gradual change to what he sees as the right system for these players, and with results being so crucial in every game we cannot afford to experiment or insist on playing a certain way because that could prove to be a mistake from the outset .
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Post by vvm on Jul 11, 2024 9:38:42 GMT
Needs to hit the ground running, nations league campaign will be very important. Winning the group could mean a world cup playoff place, although there are a few teams in league A that I wouldn't bank on in their qualifying group.
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Post by CrackityJones on Jul 11, 2024 9:39:51 GMT
Six games in a relatively short space of time for international football should allow him to implement his style ready for the qualifiers next year.
Its going to be tough finishing above Turkey considering how well they performed in Germany, we'll need to be patient.
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Post by superunknown on Jul 11, 2024 16:45:20 GMT
Six games in a relatively short space of time for international football should allow him to implement his style ready for the qualifiers next year. Its going to be tough finishing above Turkey considering how well they performed in Germany, we'll need to be patient. Agreed, though we dont necessarily need to finish above them. Second place would be fine in the sense we won’t go down but also get a playoff with a 3rd placed League A team |
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Post by jbt95 on Jul 11, 2024 17:13:43 GMT
Six games in a relatively short space of time for international football should allow him to implement his style ready for the qualifiers next year. Its going to be tough finishing above Turkey considering how well they performed in Germany, we'll need to be patient. Agreed, though we dont necessarily need to finish above them. Second place would be fine in the sense we won’t go down but also get a playoff with a 3rd placed League A team But we need to finish first if we want a back up play off spot! |
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Post by reyrey on Jul 11, 2024 21:46:03 GMT
Agreed, though we dont necessarily need to finish above them. Second place would be fine in the sense we won’t go down but also get a playoff with a 3rd placed League A team But we need to finish first if we want a back up play off spot! Finishing first would help but Winning our nation league group would not guarantee a World Cup play off spot. It’s the 4 best placed nation league teams that fail to come first or second in the World Cup qualifiers who will get a play off spot. |
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Post by dai on Jul 11, 2024 21:51:27 GMT
Sorry, didn't know where to put this, but interesting that Ireland have once again appointed an international manager. Heimir Hallgrímsson. Has managed Iceland and Jamaica.
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Post by bobbyghoul on Jul 11, 2024 22:57:28 GMT
Jesus, barring a miracle, we're not winning our Nations League group.
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Post by quetzal on Jul 12, 2024 1:21:18 GMT
Sorry, didn't know where to put this, but interesting that Ireland have once again appointed an international manager. Heimir Hallgrímsson. Has managed Iceland and Jamaica. I think it’s a good move for Eire. Kenny was such a disaster, it’s good for them to go outside. |
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Post by welshrover on Jul 12, 2024 7:13:30 GMT
Sorry, didn't know where to put this, but interesting that Ireland have once again appointed an international manager. Heimir Hallgrímsson. Has managed Iceland and Jamaica. I think it’s a good move for Eire. Kenny was such a disaster, it’s good for them to go outside. Apparently he is a dentist, which could come in handy if any of the players need a filling whilst away on national team duty 😊 |
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Post by fireboy0610 on Jul 12, 2024 8:03:40 GMT
Jesus, barring a miracle, we're not winning our Nations League group. He's back with yet another positive post. |
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Post by bobbyghoul on Jul 12, 2024 8:17:05 GMT
Jesus, barring a miracle, we're not winning our Nations League group. He's back with yet another positive post. Yes, let's all expect/hope to win the group in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. |
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Post by welshrover on Jul 12, 2024 8:44:22 GMT
He's back with yet another positive post. Yes, let's all expect/hope to win the group in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. It's a new start, a new era, people want to feel positive, there is no harm in that. From my own personal point of view I hope Craig plays to our strengths, pacy wide men in James and Johnson and gets the ball up the pitch quicker. I do however think we will need someone other than Moore in the middle to keep up if we use that strategy. After watching a few games at Euro 24 I have had a gut full of the slow build up from the back and I hope Craig isn't a disciple of this type of football. |
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Post by rushy on Jul 12, 2024 8:47:43 GMT
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Post by bobbyghoul on Jul 12, 2024 10:14:56 GMT
Yes, let's all expect/hope to win the group in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. It's a new start, a new era, people want to feel positive, there is no harm in that. From my own personal point of view I hope Craig plays to our strengths, pacy wide men in James and Johnson and gets the ball up the pitch quicker. I do however think we will need someone other than Moore in the middle to keep up if we use that strategy. After watching a few games at Euro 24 I have had a gut full of the slow build up from the back and I hope Craig isn't a disciple of this type of football. I want to feel positive, but finishing ahead of the Turks in League B seems unlikely at this point. I agree about our style of play. |
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Post by conwy10 on Jul 12, 2024 12:49:31 GMT
"If you don’t put the effort in, it’s something I really struggle to cope with. If we play incredibly well, we might not get a result, but I’m good. Losing and not being able to play well or giving your all during that period, I find that difficult." There is much to like in Bellamy's first presser. However, that first sentence is a cause for some concern. Not everyone is as all in as Bellamy is, everybody's personality is different. Does he understand this and make allowances? Does he get irate with players he perceives as not giving 100% or does he try and cajole improved effort from them? How he deals with the likes of Johnson will have a big bearing on Bellamy's success or otherwise. To be fair with Johnson, there's a player there we never get to see. I don't think in a Wales shirt he can bring it out of himself. If Bellamy can get that extra 10% out of him we could have a superstar. If he doesn't he might get the odd goal against a minnow and be a what if story. |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Jul 12, 2024 15:04:49 GMT
"If you don’t put the effort in, it’s something I really struggle to cope with. If we play incredibly well, we might not get a result, but I’m good. Losing and not being able to play well or giving your all during that period, I find that difficult." There is much to like in Bellamy's first presser. However, that first sentence is a cause for some concern. Not everyone is as all in as Bellamy is, everybody's personality is different. Does he understand this and make allowances? Does he get irate with players he perceives as not giving 100% or does he try and cajole improved effort from them? How he deals with the likes of Johnson will have a big bearing on Bellamy's success or otherwise. To be fair with Johnson, there's a player there we never get to see. I don't think in a Wales shirt he can bring it out of himself. If Bellamy can get that extra 10% out of him we could have a superstar. If he doesn't he might get the odd goal against a minnow and be a what if story. I hope Bellamy can inspire Johnson to greater things for us. So far he's been a massive disappointment in my humble opinion. |
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Post by manulike on Jul 12, 2024 15:18:10 GMT
But we need to finish first if we want a back up play off spot! Finishing first would help but Winning our nation league group would not guarantee a World Cup play off spot.It’s the 4 best placed nation league teams that fail to come first or second in the World Cup qualifiers who will get a play off spot. I'm trying to understand this - and failing misrably ;-( THIS IS THE WIKI PAGE: " Play-off stage: 16 teams (twelve group runners-up and four best Nations League group winners, based on the Nations League overall ranking, that finished outside the top two of their qualifying group) will be drawn into four play-off paths, playing two rounds of single-match play-offs (semi-finals with the seeded teams to host, followed by finals, with the home teams to be drawn). The four path winners will qualify for the World Cup finals."
This makes it appear as if all twelve RUNNERS UP from the WC campaign go directly into the play-offs - BUT ONLY 4 other teams (best ranked from the NL winners). So no chance in hell getting an automatic play-off if 2nd in NL group?
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Post by bobbyghoul on Jul 12, 2024 15:48:13 GMT
Bellamy is in for a tough ride.
How many of our players regularly feature for clubs in the top division of Europe's big 5 leagues? 3 by my reckoning.
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