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Post by ddirpytnop on Feb 1, 2024 13:20:14 GMT
predict Levitt won't make it at international level - i can't remember a time he's imposed himself on a game. Seems to pass him by, maybe its because he does nothing spectacular but morrell and James are miles in front of him The way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised that you're right re not making it at international level. But I think the 'does nothing spectacular' part is wide of the mark. He's not a Morrell type player, he's more of a playmaker and has the ability to play some excellent defence-splitting passes. He's had one or two really good games for us - I remember him doing really well out in Finland and he was decent in Poland as well, but he's been way too inconsistent overall and more bad than good. That's not particularly surprising, it often takes time for young players to develop consistency. I was hoping he'd kick on and develop greater consistency with a view of him being a useful option after a couple of years. Unfortunately that hasn't transpired, his career's stagnated and last time I checked he wasn't doing anything special at Hibs, so he hasn't earned his way back into the squad. All of Levitt's 13 caps came between the ages of 19 and 21. To be honest, very few players are ready for international senior football at that age - which is why we have the under 19s and under 21s. He hasn't played since 2022, so I am not sure anyone is in position to say with certainty whether he is now good enough or not - unless they watch Hibs regularly anway. Much the same is true of Matt Smith - but his career really had stalled before his move to Scotland this season. James is of course well ahead of both. Not so sure about Morrell - he lacks the technical proficiency to ever be a top drawer player and at 27, he's unlikely to improve much more. |
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Post by njdragon on Feb 1, 2024 14:29:08 GMT
The way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised that you're right re not making it at international level. But I think the 'does nothing spectacular' part is wide of the mark. He's not a Morrell type player, he's more of a playmaker and has the ability to play some excellent defence-splitting passes. He's had one or two really good games for us - I remember him doing really well out in Finland and he was decent in Poland as well, but he's been way too inconsistent overall and more bad than good. That's not particularly surprising, it often takes time for young players to develop consistency. I was hoping he'd kick on and develop greater consistency with a view of him being a useful option after a couple of years. Unfortunately that hasn't transpired, his career's stagnated and last time I checked he wasn't doing anything special at Hibs, so he hasn't earned his way back into the squad. All of Levitt's 13 caps came between the ages of 19 and 21. To be honest, very few players are ready for international senior football at that age - which is why we have the under 19s and under 21s. He hasn't played since 2022, so I am not sure anyone is in position to say with certainty whether he is now good enough or not - unless they watch Hibs regularly anway. Much the same is true of Matt Smith - but his career really had stalled before his move to Scotland this season. James is of course well ahead of both. Not so sure about Morrell - he lacks the technical proficiency to ever be a top drawer player and at 27, he's unlikely to improve much more. what's the average age of our squad when they earn their first cap? I would say around 17-22. There's not many that come through later... these players tend to come through and establish themselves at an early age. i can't remember many that have earned caps early in their career dropped out of international then come back stronger. Loads of examples of players that simply never made it passed their initial early caps. I think when we throw them in early we find out if they take to it, loads of examples, in bale, gunter, taylor, neco, connor, henessey, ramsey, ledley, brooks, vokes, JJ, morrell even.. etc where as you have players like nyatanga, Woodburn, ribeiro, mcdonald (much to my dissapointment), throw tom and rabbi in the mix, that ex leeds striker, matt smith, james lawrence, |
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Post by ddirpytnop on Feb 1, 2024 17:57:00 GMT
All of Levitt's 13 caps came between the ages of 19 and 21. To be honest, very few players are ready for international senior football at that age - which is why we have the under 19s and under 21s. He hasn't played since 2022, so I am not sure anyone is in position to say with certainty whether he is now good enough or not - unless they watch Hibs regularly anway. Much the same is true of Matt Smith - but his career really had stalled before his move to Scotland this season. James is of course well ahead of both. Not so sure about Morrell - he lacks the technical proficiency to ever be a top drawer player and at 27, he's unlikely to improve much more. what's the average age of our squad when they earn their first cap? I would say around 17-22. There's not many that come through later... these players tend to come through and establish themselves at an early age. i can't remember many that have earned caps early in their career dropped out of international then come back stronger. Loads of examples of players that simply never made it passed their initial early caps. I think when we throw them in early we find out if they take to it, loads of examples, in bale, gunter, taylor, neco, connor, henessey, ramsey, ledley, brooks, vokes, JJ, morrell even.. etc where as you have players like nyatanga, Woodburn, ribeiro, mcdonald (much to my dissapointment), throw tom and rabbi in the mix, that ex leeds striker, matt smith, james lawrence, There is no one pathway to international success. Wilson won his second cap four or five years after his first. Morrell and Connor Roberts were around the age of 22 when they were first capped. Of our current generation of players, Ampadu,Neco and now JJ are pretty unusual in having established themselves as first team regulars before the age of 20. And pretty exceptional by international standards too. To get their place back in the Wales squad, Smith and Levitt have to overtake Morrell and/or Sheehan. They both currrently play in League 1 and Sheehan's first cap came at the age of 24/25. |
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Post by njdragon on Feb 1, 2024 20:53:53 GMT
what's the average age of our squad when they earn their first cap? I would say around 17-22. There's not many that come through later... these players tend to come through and establish themselves at an early age. i can't remember many that have earned caps early in their career dropped out of international then come back stronger. Loads of examples of players that simply never made it passed their initial early caps. I think when we throw them in early we find out if they take to it, loads of examples, in bale, gunter, taylor, neco, connor, henessey, ramsey, ledley, brooks, vokes, JJ, morrell even.. etc where as you have players like nyatanga, Woodburn, ribeiro, mcdonald (much to my dissapointment), throw tom and rabbi in the mix, that ex leeds striker, matt smith, james lawrence, There is no one pathway to international success. Wilson won his second cap four or five years after his first. Morrell and Connor Roberts were around the age of 22 when they were first capped. Of our current generation of players, Ampadu,Neco and now JJ are pretty unusual in having established themselves as first team regulars before the age of 20. And pretty exceptional by international standards too. To get their place back in the Wales squad, Smith and Levitt have to overtake Morrell and/or Sheehan. They both currrently play in League 1 and Sheehan's first cap came at the age of 24/25. Sheehan is no way an established member of the squad. I still can’t think of any players blooded at a young age that have lost their squad place for a while and bounced back for us. They seem to be either cut out for it or not. |
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Post by ddirpytnop on Feb 1, 2024 21:07:18 GMT
There is no one pathway to international success. Wilson won his second cap four or five years after his first. Morrell and Connor Roberts were around the age of 22 when they were first capped. Of our current generation of players, Ampadu,Neco and now JJ are pretty unusual in having established themselves as first team regulars before the age of 20. And pretty exceptional by international standards too. To get their place back in the Wales squad, Smith and Levitt have to overtake Morrell and/or Sheehan. They both currrently play in League 1 and Sheehan's first cap came at the age of 24/25. Sheehan is no way an established member of the squad. I still can’t think of any players blooded at a young age that have lost their squad place for a while and bounced back for us. They seem to be either cut out for it or not. Harry Wilson. |
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Post by njdragon on Feb 2, 2024 6:46:19 GMT
Sheehan is no way an established member of the squad. I still can’t think of any players blooded at a young age that have lost their squad place for a while and bounced back for us. They seem to be either cut out for it or not. Harry Wilson. I’m convinced Coleman just played him so his grandfather could win that bet |
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Post by iot on Feb 2, 2024 8:34:15 GMT
The way things are going, I wouldn't be surprised that you're right re not making it at international level. But I think the 'does nothing spectacular' part is wide of the mark. He's not a Morrell type player, he's more of a playmaker and has the ability to play some excellent defence-splitting passes. He's had one or two really good games for us - I remember him doing really well out in Finland and he was decent in Poland as well, but he's been way too inconsistent overall and more bad than good. That's not particularly surprising, it often takes time for young players to develop consistency. I was hoping he'd kick on and develop greater consistency with a view of him being a useful option after a couple of years. Unfortunately that hasn't transpired, his career's stagnated and last time I checked he wasn't doing anything special at Hibs, so he hasn't earned his way back into the squad. All of Levitt's 13 caps came between the ages of 19 and 21. To be honest, very few players are ready for international senior football at that age - which is why we have the under 19s and under 21s. He hasn't played since 2022, so I am not sure anyone is in position to say with certainty whether he is now good enough or not - unless they watch Hibs regularly anway. Much the same is true of Matt Smith - but his career really had stalled before his move to Scotland this season. James is of course well ahead of both. Not so sure about Morrell - he lacks the technical proficiency to ever be a top drawer player and at 27, he's unlikely to improve much more. I don't disagree with the general point you're making, but I think you're being very kind to suggest that Levitt could be a better player now than the last time he was involved based on all the evidence available to us. I haven't seen him play for Hibs but the facts and noise (or lack thereof) from Hibs fans are telling. When he was last involved with us, he was playing to a very high standard with Dundee Utd. He had an excellent first season with the fans raving about him. Judging by the noise coming out of their fanbase at the time, he wasn't as good in his second season although he did score a good number of goals (really good ones too). It's pretty clear he hasn't reached the same levels with Hibs to date. He's not a permanent fixture in the starting xi (although starts more often than not), he hasn't scored any and only set up 2 goals in 22 games, and the ratings provided by this site suggests he's having a very average season: www.whoscored.com/Players/376831/Show/Dylan-Levitt. I haven't gone on their forum, but just put his name in twitter and scrolled through the first few tweets which are all extremely damning, summed up here: So no I haven't watched hm, but there are other ways of getting a sense of how well players are performing. I think it's pretty clear that he's not having a good season at Hibs, whereas he was doing very well at Dundee the last time he was involved with us. So I can't say with certainty and am happy to be corrected if anyone has watched him and taken a different view, but I think it's pretty clear he hasn't improved over the last couple of years. My whole point was, he needed to kick on after that early promise to show he could be a useful option for us, but his performances since then appear to have stagnated / regressed. |
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Post by ddirpytnop on Feb 2, 2024 10:24:54 GMT
All of Levitt's 13 caps came between the ages of 19 and 21. To be honest, very few players are ready for international senior football at that age - which is why we have the under 19s and under 21s. He hasn't played since 2022, so I am not sure anyone is in position to say with certainty whether he is now good enough or not - unless they watch Hibs regularly anway. Much the same is true of Matt Smith - but his career really had stalled before his move to Scotland this season. James is of course well ahead of both. Not so sure about Morrell - he lacks the technical proficiency to ever be a top drawer player and at 27, he's unlikely to improve much more. I don't disagree with the general point you're making, but I think you're being very kind to suggest that Levitt could be a better player now than the last time he was involved based on all the evidence available to us. I haven't seen him play for Hibs but the facts and noise (or lack thereof) from Hibs fans are telling. When he was last involved with us, he was playing to a very high standard with Dundee Utd. He had an excellent first season with the fans raving about him. Judging by the noise coming out of their fanbase at the time, he wasn't as good in his second season although he did score a good number of goals (really good ones too). It's pretty clear he hasn't reached the same levels with Hibs to date. He's not a permanent fixture in the starting xi (although starts more often than not), he hasn't scored any and only set up 2 goals in 22 games, and the ratings provided by this site suggests he's having a very average season: www.whoscored.com/Players/376831/Show/Dylan-Levitt. I haven't gone on their forum, but just put his name in twitter and scrolled through the first few tweets which are all extremely damning, summed up here: So no I haven't watched hm, but there are other ways of getting a sense of how well players are performing. I think it's pretty clear that he's not having a good season at Hibs, whereas he was doing very well at Dundee the last time he was involved with us. So I can't say with certainty and am happy to be corrected if anyone has watched him and taken a different view, but I think it's pretty clear he hasn't improved over the last couple of years. My whole point was, he needed to kick on after that early promise to show he could be a useful option for us, but his performances since then appear to have stagnated / regressed. You may well be right about Levitt. But my point is not really that he specifically deserves a place in the squad but that it is not wise to dismiss a player's long term prospects based on a few appearances when they were young (not that you were doing so - but others seem to be). In any event, barring a spate of unfortunate injuries, there's no chance of any of these fringe players appearing on the field next month - so it's a pretty academic debate. |
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Post by iot on Feb 2, 2024 10:34:26 GMT
I don't disagree with the general point you're making, but I think you're being very kind to suggest that Levitt could be a better player now than the last time he was involved based on all the evidence available to us. I haven't seen him play for Hibs but the facts and noise (or lack thereof) from Hibs fans are telling. When he was last involved with us, he was playing to a very high standard with Dundee Utd. He had an excellent first season with the fans raving about him. Judging by the noise coming out of their fanbase at the time, he wasn't as good in his second season although he did score a good number of goals (really good ones too). It's pretty clear he hasn't reached the same levels with Hibs to date. He's not a permanent fixture in the starting xi (although starts more often than not), he hasn't scored any and only set up 2 goals in 22 games, and the ratings provided by this site suggests he's having a very average season: www.whoscored.com/Players/376831/Show/Dylan-Levitt. I haven't gone on their forum, but just put his name in twitter and scrolled through the first few tweets which are all extremely damning, summed up here: So no I haven't watched hm, but there are other ways of getting a sense of how well players are performing. I think it's pretty clear that he's not having a good season at Hibs, whereas he was doing very well at Dundee the last time he was involved with us. So I can't say with certainty and am happy to be corrected if anyone has watched him and taken a different view, but I think it's pretty clear he hasn't improved over the last couple of years. My whole point was, he needed to kick on after that early promise to show he could be a useful option for us, but his performances since then appear to have stagnated / regressed. You may well be right about Levitt. But my point is not really that he specifically deserves a place in the squad but that it is not wise to dismiss a player's long term prospects based on a few appearances when they were young (not that you were doing so - but others seem to be). In any event, barring a spate of unfortunate injuries, there's no chance of any of these fringe players appearing on the field next month - so it's a pretty academic debate. Yeah completely agree. I'm going to keep monitoring his progress out of interest because I've seen enough from him to suggest that he could develop into a good player, but he'll be a very late bloomer at this stage. The odds are that he won't make it, but half a season of good form in the SPL or a Championship club taking a chance on him could change all that. |
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Post by athenempadu on Feb 2, 2024 15:08:29 GMT
You may well be right about Levitt. But my point is not really that he specifically deserves a place in the squad but that it is not wise to dismiss a player's long term prospects based on a few appearances when they were young (not that you were doing so - but others seem to be). In any event, barring a spate of unfortunate injuries, there's no chance of any of these fringe players appearing on the field next month - so it's a pretty academic debate. Yeah completely agree. I'm going to keep monitoring his progress out of interest because I've seen enough from him to suggest that he could develop into a good player, but he'll be a very late bloomer at this stage. The odds are that he won't make it, but half a season of good form in the SPL or a Championship club taking a chance on him could change all that. He was tipped to be the next Paul Scholes when he was at Man Utd.  |
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Post by jimexotic on Feb 2, 2024 20:05:29 GMT
I saw an error from Levitt earlier in the season where he dropped deep to receive the ball from a goal kick, turned into trouble, they scored and Hibs lost 1-0. It wasn't too dissimilar from what Morrell did at home to Latvia when he came on although that time he and we got lucky. That is my issue with this level and type of player, they switch off and can put in a decent enough performance and then ruin it all with a lapse in concentration doing the most basic of things.
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Post by ontheroadagain2 on Feb 7, 2024 15:11:55 GMT
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Post by iot on Feb 7, 2024 15:55:15 GMT
That's a shame. As maligned as he is, I think he's a very useful player and could have been an important squad member for the playoffs. I guess Sheehan will need to step up as the first back up option should something happen to James or Ampadu |
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Post by morg on May 12, 2024 11:00:32 GMT
Portsmouth not taking up the option to extend current contract as they want to re-negotiate more flexible terms. Could be a free agent soonish?
Wrexham? Especially as Young has left.
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Post by talyfan on May 14, 2024 9:28:05 GMT
Shame Pompey get promoted and he can get a stab at becoming a championship player but looks as though he'll be out the door.
Seems as though he'll likely be playing League 1 for the foreseeable. Think he'll be out of Wales squads with lads getting ahead of him in the pecking order
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Post by rob on May 14, 2024 23:40:03 GMT
Luton likewise sold him soon into their championship season.Unfortunately L1 might be his limit.
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Post by welwyn on May 15, 2024 7:44:14 GMT
Luton likewise sold him soon into their championship season.Unfortunately L1 might be his limit. Think it was an attitude clash thing. We didn't buy him until we were into our 2nd season in the Champ. Think there was game at Rotherham where we were awful in the first half (was still 0-0 mind). He was the one yanked at half time and their were rumours that he didn't like the fact he was the one to come off and I don't think NJ started him ever again (except in the FA Cup). |
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Post by cadno on May 15, 2024 12:53:25 GMT
Who’s ahead of him after Ampadu and James?
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Post by iot on May 15, 2024 13:02:59 GMT
Who’s ahead of him after Ampadu and James? Josh Sheehan potentially. You've also got Savage playing the same league, but was in and out of the first team (which is fine for his first senior season). Good chance Savage will overtake him within the year. Then you've got King who did very well in L2 and decent in the SPL too. He may get some Championship games next season, or a loan to L1 potentially. Then there's a couple of other youngsters who are off the radar, but could come good next season if they secure a good move - thinking of the likes of Jadan Raymond |
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Post by talyfan on May 15, 2024 13:27:10 GMT
Tom Lowery could well be if he can get minutes in the championship. Terry Taylor as he gets back to full fitness too. There's quite a few emerging at the minute all at around the same level.
Imagine if Bolton get promoted Sheehan will be a shoe in for the foreseeable too
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Post by jimexotic on May 15, 2024 22:12:43 GMT
14 League One appearances between Lowery and Taylor this season, neither have been capped, they are not ahead of Joe Morrell, certainly not yet.
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Post by talyfan on May 16, 2024 9:16:46 GMT
I imagine plenty will be for the foreseeable barring any injuries. There's a degree of experimentation we can afford to do now with replacements off the bench.
Joe being the known quantity he is. Make sense for Page to cast the net out a bit and call up players we've not seen much of playing.
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Post by athenempadu on May 17, 2024 0:51:29 GMT
Who’s ahead of him after Ampadu and James? Josh Sheehan potentially. You've also got Savage playing the same league, but was in and out of the first team (which is fine for his first senior season). Good chance Savage will overtake him within the year. Then you've got King who did very well in L2 and decent in the SPL too. He may get some Championship games next season, or a loan to L1 potentially. Then there's a couple of other youngsters who are off the radar, but could come good next season if they secure a good move - thinking of the likes of Jadan Raymond Charlie Crew will trump them all, and he will be pushing James & Ampadu. I see Raymond and Savage playing a bit further up the pitch, but the good thing is we look set for the next 10 years in the midfield areas. |
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Post by rob on May 17, 2024 12:02:46 GMT
I imagine plenty will be for the foreseeable barring any injuries. There's a degree of experimentation we can afford to do now with replacements off the bench. Joe being the known quantity he is. Make sense for Page to cast the net out a bit and call up players we've not seen much of playing. Problem is Page does not cast the net-that is why 10 of the starting line up v Poland were in Euro 21. |
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Post by iot on May 17, 2024 12:20:50 GMT
I imagine plenty will be for the foreseeable barring any injuries. There's a degree of experimentation we can afford to do now with replacements off the bench. Joe being the known quantity he is. Make sense for Page to cast the net out a bit and call up players we've not seen much of playing. Problem is Page does not cast the net-that is why 10 of the starting line up v Poland were in Euro 21. Not sure how insightful that stat is tbh. Which players that didn’t feature in Euro 21 that you think could have potentially started the Poland game had Page been more willing to cast the net wider? |
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Post by marsvolta on May 17, 2024 12:40:36 GMT
Problem is Page does not cast the net-that is why 10 of the starting line up v Poland were in Euro 21. Not sure how insightful that stat is tbh. Which players that didn’t feature in Euro 21 that you think could have potentially started the Poland game had Page been more willing to cast the net wider? Yeah, it’s hard to believe that there’s a journeyman lower league player or untried youngster out there that would have got into that starting lineup if Page had ‘cast his net’ and given them a few games between Euro 21 and the Poland game. |
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Post by rushy on Jun 19, 2024 16:03:15 GMT
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Post by talyfan on Jul 2, 2024 20:32:25 GMT
Contract expired at Portsmouth doing his rehab there but linked with a move to Wrexham
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Post by welshrover on Jul 2, 2024 23:07:44 GMT
Still don't think that was a sending off in Turkey in a game we were comfortable in.
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Post by welshrover on Jul 2, 2024 23:08:45 GMT
Contract expired at Portsmouth doing his rehab there but linked with a move to Wrexham Is there any player in the EFL that isn't linked with a move to Wrexham??? |
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