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Post by robwrecsam on Jun 17, 2021 17:40:09 GMT
I’ve not been convinced by him but he had a cracker yesterday. Well most of the team did
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Post by rangers15 on Jun 18, 2021 8:12:17 GMT
the swiss game bypassed him, and i was calling for a change... but fair play to him he had a cracking game. And based on that performance will probably see out the rest of the tournament.
says an awful lot that allen came off when trying to see the game out.
nice one Joe.
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Post by squatter1 on Jun 18, 2021 10:34:47 GMT
Allen coming off before Morrell was about fitness, not ability
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Post by dai on Jun 18, 2021 10:35:39 GMT
Allen coming off before Morrell was about fitness, not ability Most likely, but I thought Morrell had a better game anyway............. |
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Post by ontheroadagain2 on Aug 8, 2021 11:30:22 GMT
Pompey due to sign Joe Morrell from Luton (if Michael Jacobs moves to Ipswich).
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Post by welwyn on Aug 9, 2021 7:27:25 GMT
Pompey due to sign Joe Morrell from Luton (if Michael Jacobs moves to Ipswich). Gutted it didn't work out for him with us but happy all-round if this goes through (other than the fact Pompey are not in my League One bet). He goes to the Cowley's, who were getting the best out of him at Lincoln. He plays, which is good for us and Luton at least recoup something which can go into another midfielder (which NJ says he wants). |
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Post by hooky on Aug 9, 2021 10:54:34 GMT
This underlines why Page should not get the job if Giggs has to depart
He gave it everything and he definitely outperformed expectations massively
However, in addition to his tactial naivety / inability to change versus Denmark, the decision to continually pick Morrell for games, even once or twice when Ampadu (albeit not on top form) was available was criminal.
Morrell is bang average and at 25 is not good enough for even a bottom quarter of the table team like Luton. He is small in physique, has average technique and does not have a great passing range. He outperformed for us but we saw against Italy and Denmark in particular how far out of his depth he was.
Also taking Collwill ahead of Robson-Kanu was a stupid decision.
He made poor decisions and is not ready to be more than a #2 at present.
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Post by welshiron on Aug 9, 2021 15:40:37 GMT
I agree, the fact Page says Morrell gets in the best xi is extremely worrying.
Colwill was a joke selection as well
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Post by ontheroadagain2 on Aug 9, 2021 16:42:00 GMT
Update on Morrell' transfer: Ipswich due to scupper Pompeys move for Morrell.
He is in demand which is good to hear.
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Post by CrackityJones on Aug 9, 2021 22:25:22 GMT
Signed for Pompey on a three year deal
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Post by ontheroadagain2 on Aug 9, 2021 22:31:33 GMT
Signed for Pompey on a three year deal Beat me to it. 🙃😉 Happy days. He will be back in the Championship next season with Pompey. |
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Post by welwyn on Aug 10, 2021 8:04:46 GMT
Reuniting with the Cowley's will hopefully be huge with him.
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Post by squatter1 on Aug 10, 2021 8:47:37 GMT
Happy days - our first-choice midfielder can’t cut it at Luton and has to drop down to League One. Bodes well for the future
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Post by ontheroadagain2 on Aug 10, 2021 19:39:12 GMT
Happy days - our first-choice midfielder can’t cut it at Luton and has to drop down to League One. Bodes well for the future Don't worry it is only for one season. At least he should be playing regularly. |
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Post by dai on Sept 7, 2021 12:19:48 GMT
Posted something similar in the Page thread.
I like Morrell, and I think he's put in some top performances for us in a relatively short international career. I've even commented how he's looked better than Ampadu alongside Allen at times.
However it's becoming more and more apparent that Morrell and Allen are too similar. Obviously Allen is the superior player, but they both have similar qualities and that part of the field often get overrun and bossed by opponents.
I don't think he's deserved being singled out like he has by a lot of fans, but you have to question how a player who's had to drop down to League 1 level (still not starting btw) has become almost undroppable under Page. It's not like he's Bale, Allen, James, Rodon or C Roberts etc, but for some reason he seems to have joined that club of being a guaranteed starter.
The whole situation is bizarre imo, especially when we have the likes of Smith, Sheehan and Ampadu (and Levitt to a lesser degree) at our disposal. Smith and Sheehan in particular have had good starts to the season, playing regularly and well, yet Morrell gets picked time after time. Why?
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 7, 2021 12:56:10 GMT
dai to be fair to his selection of Morrell in the Euros he really didn't have a choice. Ampadu was unfit, Smith & Levitt hadn't been playing enough Now there's no excuse really because Smith is playing at a higher level, and Levitt is regular, AND both have put in better performances for us recently with worse.players around them
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Post by dai on Sept 7, 2021 12:57:59 GMT
dai to be fair to his selection of Morrell in the Euros he really didn't have a choice. Ampadu was unfit, Smith & Levitt hadn't been playing enough Now there's no excuse really because Smith is playing at a higher level, and Levitt is regular, AND both have put in better performances for us recently with worse.players around them Smith had a full season with Doncaster hadn't he? |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 7, 2021 13:00:47 GMT
dai to be fair to his selection of Morrell in the Euros he really didn't have a choice. Ampadu was unfit, Smith & Levitt hadn't been playing enough Now there's no excuse really because Smith is playing at a higher level, and Levitt is regular, AND both have put in better performances for us recently with worse.players around them Smith had a full season with Doncaster hadn't he? Apologies. Yes he did, so he was regular. Still I don't think he'd fully regained his top form just yet. This season he looks really good |
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Post by jimexotic on Sept 7, 2021 21:49:54 GMT
We can't be having him start anymore, that Luton midfield is hardly tearing up the Championship and if he can't get in that he shouldn't be starting for Wales. I'd understand his selection if there was nobody else or if he was a bit like an Alan McLoughlin type (Ireland and Pourstmouth) but he's not. I hope he plays a full season at Pompey and proves himself to be one of the best players in the league but we've got some talented young players who would be no worse than him who are at a higher standard and I think Page needs to move away from sticking to what he knows with Morrell.
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Post by Y Fenni on Sept 9, 2021 11:53:35 GMT
Posted something similar in the Page thread. I like Morrell, and I think he's put in some top performances for us in a relatively short international career. I've even commented how he's looked better than Ampadu alongside Allen at times. However it's becoming more and more apparent that Morrell and Allen are too similar. Obviously Allen is the superior player, but they both have similar qualities and that part of the field often get overrun and bossed by opponents. I don't think he's deserved being singled out like he has by a lot of fans, but you have to question how a player who's had to drop down to League 1 level (still not starting btw) has become almost undroppable under Page. It's not like he's Bale, Allen, James, Rodon or C Roberts etc, but for some reason he seems to have joined that club of being a guaranteed starter. The whole situation is bizarre imo, especially when we have the likes of Smith, Sheehan and Ampadu (and Levitt to a lesser degree) at our disposal. Smith and Sheehan in particular have had good starts to the season, playing regularly and well, yet Morrell gets picked time after time. Why? I agree that Morrell and Allen are too similar, but if we needed to pick one of the two to go alongside Smith/Sheehan/Ampadu I'm not sure it would be Allen. Watching Morrell in person for the first time in a long time last night made me more aware of his limitations (he doesn't anticipate things or move about well) but also his strengths (he isn't afraid of pressure and will take players on, and his ball through for Tyler Roberts' big chance was great). By contrast, Allen looked a little slower and over-hit a couple of passes. If we're going to play with two in the middle like that we need someone with energy, and at the moment that's Morrell rather than Allen. |
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Post by iot on Sept 9, 2021 12:14:32 GMT
Posted something similar in the Page thread. I like Morrell, and I think he's put in some top performances for us in a relatively short international career. I've even commented how he's looked better than Ampadu alongside Allen at times. However it's becoming more and more apparent that Morrell and Allen are too similar. Obviously Allen is the superior player, but they both have similar qualities and that part of the field often get overrun and bossed by opponents. I don't think he's deserved being singled out like he has by a lot of fans, but you have to question how a player who's had to drop down to League 1 level (still not starting btw) has become almost undroppable under Page. It's not like he's Bale, Allen, James, Rodon or C Roberts etc, but for some reason he seems to have joined that club of being a guaranteed starter. The whole situation is bizarre imo, especially when we have the likes of Smith, Sheehan and Ampadu (and Levitt to a lesser degree) at our disposal. Smith and Sheehan in particular have had good starts to the season, playing regularly and well, yet Morrell gets picked time after time. Why? I agree that Morrell and Allen are too similar, but if we needed to pick one of the two to go alongside Smith/Sheehan/Ampadu I'm not sure it would be Allen. Watching Morrell in person for the first time in a long time last night made me more aware of his limitations (he doesn't anticipate things or move about well) but also his strengths (he isn't afraid of pressure and will take players on, and his ball through for Tyler Roberts' big chance was great). By contrast, Allen looked a little slower and over-hit a couple of passes. If we're going to play with two in the middle like that we need someone with energy, and at the moment that's Morrell rather than Allen. I agree that Morrell was actually better than Allen last night, but I thought Allen was a fair bit better against Belarus |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 9, 2021 15:12:25 GMT
Thought he was better than he was against Belarus in all fairness. I think ultimately playing 2 sitting mids against a side as limited as Estonia just makes zero sense. Especially when our fullbacks are quite defensive. 4-3-3 would have been better, with Allen or Morrell sitting, Tyler & Jonny in front as 8s, and then a front 3 up top of Bale-Wilson-James. We'd have created more through the middle in that instance
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Post by iot on Sept 9, 2021 18:16:35 GMT
I've called for Smith to come in, but fair play he had a very good game yesterday:
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 9, 2021 21:45:34 GMT
100% agree. Interesting to see so many jumping on his back after the result even though he was much improved and had a decent game (certainly wasn't the reason we didn't win the game). It's almost as if some just have an agenda against him. You can't bemoan the lack of creativity and also slate Morrell when he made 4 chances
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Post by talyfan on Sept 10, 2021 8:20:31 GMT
We need to qualify what was the quality of chances created?
Were they inch perfect eye of the needle cut through balls bypassing several defenders? Or was it a six yard pass sideways for a pot shot outside the 18 yard box?
I'm not a stats man but surely a better metric would be quality of chance created?
Morrell for all the flack he gets was fine against Estonia. Didn't have much to do defensively but to be frank we didn't need him. Back against the wall we're expected to have little of the ball fine no problem. But when we're dominating we need players who've got that in their locker. Morrell just doesn't offer you that.
Not Morrell's fault he started but we didn't need two holding mids against them lot. Levitt and Smith in a 343 would be more than suitable against those lot.
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Post by jimexotic on Sept 10, 2021 8:58:43 GMT
Morrell and Allen can work together if you have two full backs that bomb forward but we had Gunter and a rather rusty and confidence shot Davies. Essentially we had 60% of our outfield players defensive ones against a side that everybody batters.
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Post by iot on Sept 10, 2021 9:29:01 GMT
We need to qualify what was the quality of chances created? Were they inch perfect eye of the needle cut through balls bypassing several defenders? Or was it a six yard pass sideways for a pot shot outside the 18 yard box? I'm not a stats man but surely a better metric would be quality of chance created? Morrell for all the flack he gets was fine against Estonia. Didn't have much to do defensively but to be frank we didn't need him. Back against the wall we're expected to have little of the ball fine no problem. But when we're dominating we need players who've got that in their locker. Morrell just doesn't offer you that. Not Morrell's fault he started but we didn't need two holding mids against them lot. Levitt and Smith in a 343 would be more than suitable against those lot. You can't use 'quality of chances' as a measure because it's subjective - it would require an assessment of each pass from someone and would vary depending on the person making that judgement. The whole point of these statistics is that they are objective. But if we look at Wednesday night, we know that one of those 4 chances was a great bit of play from Morrell to release Tyler Roberts for the one on one. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Sept 10, 2021 9:32:10 GMT
Considering he created 4 chances I'll lay off Morrell a bit and admit my original rating for him was a but harsh, though I still think he's too weak to be in a midfield 2 at international level. I think Matt Smith is a better all round player and would have rather have started him against Estonia. I hope he's in the side come October.
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Post by jimexotic on Sept 20, 2021 17:51:33 GMT
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Post by hooky on Sept 20, 2021 21:19:57 GMT
Apologies - I saw him on the bench and reached the wrong conclusion. I was totally wrong
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