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Post by robin1864 on Mar 10, 2021 11:55:57 GMT
I take it we're paying Giggs too much to sack him before his day in court, then.
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Post by CrackityJones on Mar 15, 2021 17:38:31 GMT
Rob is on the latest EJFOF, talks well as usual and has a great rapport with them all.
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Post by cadno on Mar 15, 2021 20:10:49 GMT
Give him the job!
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Post by squatter1 on Mar 20, 2021 9:25:28 GMT
Do we actually know definitely who is actually making the big decisions right now - who picked the squad? Who picks the team?
Giggs or Page?
I’ve heard Page talk about how ‘this is Ryan’s squad’ in vague terms, but it’s hard to tell if he’s talking literally, or just being diplomatic. But I’ve not heard anyone ask him directly: “who picked this squad - you or Giggs? Who will pick the team? Does Giggs have any input whatsoever at the moment?”
Has Page gone on record to confirm any of this one way or the other?
I’d rather avoid conjecture - anyone got any firm evidence, any concrete quotes?
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 20, 2021 11:53:29 GMT
I'm pretty sure that they pick it together even before the Giggs court case. Him saying "this is Giggs's squad" just means Giggs has the final say on any decisions
When it comes to substitutions they are most certainly Page's decisions. You can't make those calls unless you are there watching - it's just impossible to do
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Post by fiveattheback on Mar 20, 2021 16:55:58 GMT
Dylan Levitt's in which means Giggs picked the squad
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Post by dai on Mar 20, 2021 17:11:06 GMT
Dylan Levitt's in which means Giggs picked the squad As funny as this is, makes sense. Can you imagine any other manager picking him? Anyway, I'd imagine Giggs is still pulling a lot of strings behind the scenes. He is after all, the manager. |
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Post by marsvolta on Mar 20, 2021 23:58:18 GMT
Dylan Levitt's in which means Giggs picked the squad As funny as this is, makes sense. Can you imagine any other manager picking him? Anyway, I'd imagine Giggs is still pulling a lot of strings behind the scenes. He is after all, the manager. I reckon that if we did a count, dai, we’d find that at least half of your posts are about Dylan Levitt, haha. |
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Post by squatter1 on Mar 21, 2021 8:38:23 GMT
Thanks for all the posts guys but all we’ve got here is conjecture.
Has anyone from the media asked the questions:
who picked this squad - Page or Giggs?
Who will pick the team?
Does Giggs have any input whatsoever at the moment
Has anyone seen any quotes?
Are the media asking the big questions? Or is there a collusion going on that allows the FAW to say that Giggs has stepped aside while accused, but in the shadows he continues to work?
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Post by iot on Mar 21, 2021 9:52:03 GMT
Thanks for all the posts guys but all we’ve got here is conjecture. Has anyone from the media asked the questions: who picked this squad - Page or Giggs? Who will pick the team? Does Giggs have any input whatsoever at the moment Has anyone seen any quotes? Are the media asking the big questions? Or is there a collusion going on that allows the FAW to say that Giggs has stepped aside while accused, but in the shadows he continues to work? Pretty sure Elis James asked it directly on his podcast and Page confirmed it's been the same process as usual. All the coaching team meet to make selection decisions and Giggs has the final say. |
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Post by squatter1 on Mar 21, 2021 13:31:14 GMT
I doubled checked the podcast - they ask who picks the squad and Page says it is done the same as always, ie combination of Giggs, Page and the team.
Ok, so that's one question answered.
What I haven't yet heard asked are the other big questions:
Who will pick them team and tactics?
Is Giggs involved on the phone/zoom in any way currently?
We are currently sleepwalking towards a potential management catastrophe in these Euros. As fans deserve to know how this situation is being managed, and our media should be asking these questions.
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Post by njdragon on Mar 22, 2021 10:29:10 GMT
Thanks for all the posts guys but all we’ve got here is conjecture. Has anyone from the media asked the questions: who picked this squad - Page or Giggs? Who will pick the team? Does Giggs have any input whatsoever at the moment Has anyone seen any quotes? Are the media asking the big questions? Or is there a collusion going on that allows the FAW to say that Giggs has stepped aside while accused, but in the shadows he continues to work? The welsh media never ask the big questions - its always been this way. I think if they do they don't get access. The welsh media and pundits are quite tight with the team and the FAW. I think you're right - giggs is picking the team but they are keeping quiet about this as obviously its a hot topic. He's probably still involved as much as he can be without the media knowing too much. It wouldn't surprise me if he's at games. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 22, 2021 11:10:06 GMT
I actually don't mind that our press are a bit less intense than the English press. Generally speaking I think this puts less pressure on our team and enables us to perform
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Post by rico on Mar 22, 2021 11:12:20 GMT
Thanks for all the posts guys but all we’ve got here is conjecture. Has anyone from the media asked the questions: who picked this squad - Page or Giggs? Who will pick the team? Does Giggs have any input whatsoever at the moment Has anyone seen any quotes? Are the media asking the big questions? Or is there a collusion going on that allows the FAW to say that Giggs has stepped aside while accused, but in the shadows he continues to work? - its always been this way. I think if they do they don't get access. The welsh media and pundits are quite tight with the team and the FAW. I think you're right - giggs is picking the team but they are keeping quiet about this as obviously its a hot topic. He's probably still involved as much as he can be without the media knowing too much. It wouldn't surprise me if he's at games. Was disappointed with the latest EJFOF, where they discussed the squad, stated that the team picks itself, and didn't ask any pressing questions about the squad with Page literally on the other end of the line. I know it's not really a platform they use for hard questions and it's more casual discussion & anecdotes - which is fine usually, but wish they had challenged / debated the Vaulks omission / Levitt inclusion. |
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Post by squatter1 on Mar 23, 2021 11:26:49 GMT
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Post by CrackityJones on Mar 23, 2021 11:31:29 GMT
Says Cooper previously spoke to Giggs on such matters, I know Giggs isn't keeping a low public profile at the moment but surely he can still contact the managers right? If not then Page should.
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Post by dai on Mar 23, 2021 12:34:49 GMT
Shocking. Got a bad feeling all this madness will be reflected on the pitch tomorrow. |
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Post by squatter1 on Mar 23, 2021 12:52:14 GMT
Shocking. Got a bad feeling all this madness will be reflected on the pitch tomorrow. Things like this are signs that things aren't as they should be. That routine duties and obligations are slipping through the net. It's just such a shame we're in this predicament three months away from a major tournament. If results go well this week then these issues will go away, nobody will care. If results go bad, the knives will be out and questions will start getting asked. |
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Mar 23, 2021 14:33:01 GMT
Like dai and others, I've got the same bad feeling about tomorrow night for the same reasons. Hope we're wrong!
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Post by dai on Mar 23, 2021 14:37:59 GMT
Shocking. Got a bad feeling all this madness will be reflected on the pitch tomorrow. Things like this are signs that things aren't as they should be. That routine duties and obligations are slipping through the net. It's just such a shame we're in this predicament three months away from a major tournament. If results go well this week then these issues will go away, nobody will care. If results go bad, the knives will be out and questions will start getting asked.Will they though? I've always been under the impression that the Welsh press and media don't really care about the ins and outs of the FAW set up. They barely pay attention to on field stuff so I can't imagine anything will be mentioned if we get thrashed tomorrow and lose the following two. |
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Mar 23, 2021 14:56:11 GMT
Agree with dai that the sporting press could be a little more inquisitorial e.g. Is Giggs actually in charge of the national team (just not facing the media or appearing in public)? Who is running things commercially etc behind the scenes, given Ford's imminent departure? Who is doing all the necessary prep work for the Euros?
Nuts and bolts questions, I know, but a greater interest in these aspects will need to be taken after this camp.
Meanwhile, fingers crossed that off-field uncertainties don't impact on pitch performances over this next week.
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Post by welshiron on Mar 23, 2021 15:03:08 GMT
Personally want Giggs to just leave so we can get an experienced manager in, we have a decent crop of players which could end up getting wasted
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 23, 2021 15:04:01 GMT
At the end of the day I don't think it will affect the players - didn't seem to in November with the Giggs situation
Ultimately if we get results no one will be keen to ask the questions about the behind the house not being in order. If we start losing I think people will muck it all in together and start spinning it as if it's a crisis
I think in reality neither extreme is necessary. Page will provide continuity for the first team, a replacement will come in for Ford. The only question mark later in the year will be over Giggs and whether he manages us for the tournament. At the end of the day it will either be that or Page will continue, so it's actually not all that uncertain - it's just a fork in the road as far as I'm concerned. Not ideal, but I don't think we'll be in a full blown crisis if we lose to Belgium & Czechia either
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Post by dlwilliams on Mar 23, 2021 15:08:14 GMT
Personally want Giggs to just leave so we can get an experienced manager in, we have a decent crop of players which could end up getting wasted I understand what you're saying, and things are hardly rosy leading up to these few games, but what exactly is being wasted here? We've qualified for the Euros, got promoted in the Nations League. What else could Giggs/Page have possibly achieved over the last two years? |
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Post by dlwilliams on Mar 23, 2021 15:10:58 GMT
At the end of the day I don't think it will affect the players - didn't seem to in November with the Giggs situation Ultimately if we get results no one will be keen to ask the questions about the behind the house not being in order. If we start losing I think people will muck it all in together and start spinning it as if it's a crisis I think in reality neither extreme is necessary. Page will provide continuity for the first team, a replacement will come in for Ford. The only question mark later in the year will be over Giggs and whether he manages us for the tournament. At the end of the day it will either be that or Page will continue, so it's actually not all that uncertain - it's just a fork in the road as far as I'm concerned. Not ideal, but I don't think we'll be in a full blown crisis if we lose to Belgium & Czechia either Summed it up perfectly. I really don't understand the hysteria. |
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Mar 23, 2021 15:16:15 GMT
I think we're all just a bit nervy ahead of tomorrow night at the Den Dreef!
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 23, 2021 15:49:20 GMT
I think we're all just a bit nervy ahead of tomorrow night at the Den Dreef! My nerves ramped up as soon as Belgium got Lukaku back, and now they're up again now we've lost Davies! |
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Post by CrackityJones on Mar 23, 2021 16:05:24 GMT
The knives won’t be out if we lose tomorrow, let’s not be silly. If we don’t beat Czechia then Page will have some explaining to do.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 23, 2021 16:10:24 GMT
The knives won’t be out if we lose tomorrow, let’s not be silly. If we don’t beat Czechia then Page will have some explaining to do. Even then though, the aim just changes from 'maybe we can optimistically have a go at winning the group' to 'now we need to focus on securing 2nd' |
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Mar 23, 2021 17:31:35 GMT
Lets all have a go at our Ryan.
Innocent until proven guilty some fans seem to have forgotten what an excellent job our Ryan and his coaching staff have done.
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