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Post by hooky on Sept 11, 2023 14:52:34 GMT
Seems unlikely, but I would love us to win our next 4 matches and he keeps his job.
Unfortunately, that seems unlikely and we can't go on like this. No doubt the players will play for him and most do need to take some responsibility and up their game as they seem to be playing far worse than they do for their clubs
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Post by hooky on Sept 11, 2023 14:54:16 GMT
With a Latvian population of just 1.8mn, Page and Roberts certainly can't use the 'little old' Wales excuse tonight!
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Post by zserty on Sept 11, 2023 18:47:11 GMT
The group is basically dead for us and with 5 or so games before the playoffs, surely it'd be the time to get someone in and give those two games a real crack and get the boys to Germany. None of this "naive to expect to qualify" lets win some games. The group isn’t dead for us at all. Win tonight and Croatia beat Armenia before hand, 2nd is certainly up for grabs, we would just need to win our last two games and either avoid defeat against Croatia or beat Turkey by 3 if they were to beat Latvia. 2nd is up for grabs? Have you watched us recently. Winning 2 and drawing from 3 games vs Croatia, Turkey and Armenia (A) is a hell of a task. |
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Post by jbt95 on Sept 11, 2023 21:01:29 GMT
The group isn’t dead for us at all. Win tonight and Croatia beat Armenia before hand, 2nd is certainly up for grabs, we would just need to win our last two games and either avoid defeat against Croatia or beat Turkey by 3 if they were to beat Latvia. 2nd is up for grabs? Have you watched us recently. Winning 2 and drawing from 3 games vs Croatia, Turkey and Armenia (A) is a hell of a task. Yes it’s hell of a task but it’s mathematically possible. |
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Post by zodiac on Sept 11, 2023 21:10:20 GMT
The ex Wales internationals working on the match on BBC Wales are all backing him.
No surprise is it.
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Post by aberbeeg on Sept 11, 2023 21:18:01 GMT
Coming home with 3 points but we certainly Made hard work of it.
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Post by jimexotic on Sept 11, 2023 22:09:00 GMT
Can't knock him for tonight, we probably played better attacking football against them than Croatia and should have had a similar scoreline, can't blame Page for that not happening, we need to improve our finishing by the next games.
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Post by conwy10 on Sept 11, 2023 22:25:55 GMT
Can't knock him for tonight, we probably played better attacking football against them than Croatia and should have had a similar scoreline, can't blame Page for that not happening, we need to improve our finishing by the next games. I mean he is the manager. He can incentivise, reward, threaten, punish anyone who doesn't perform as they should. Take Johnson tonight, does he let it go? The lad nearly cost him his job. Does he pretend like it didnt happen, chat to him and say he believes in him, chat to him and say sorry for playing out of position, say he has to do better next time, drop him for the next matches. Sure he cant influence it in a match, but I dont think these lads walking into the team do him any favours. Majority of them looked off it tonight. |
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Post by jimexotic on Sept 11, 2023 23:35:31 GMT
Can't knock him for tonight, we probably played better attacking football against them than Croatia and should have had a similar scoreline, can't blame Page for that not happening, we need to improve our finishing by the next games. I mean he is the manager. He can incentivise, reward, threaten, punish anyone who doesn't perform as they should. Take Johnson tonight, does he let it go? The lad nearly cost him his job. Does he pretend like it didnt happen, chat to him and say he believes in him, chat to him and say sorry for playing out of position, say he has to do better next time, drop him for the next matches. Sure he cant influence it in a match, but I dont think these lads walking into the team do him any favours. Majority of them looked off it tonight. Three of our main threats for goals and assists in recent years were all unavailable tonight for various reasons, James injured, Moore suspended and Bale retired. Every Wales fan in the World would have started Johnson tonight, the other option was Tom Bradshaw, the fact that Johnson had such a bad night in front of goal is something completely out of Page's hands. I'm sure Brennan knows as well a anybody that he should have scored tonight and I doubt he needs Page to tell him that. That said I wouldn't be surprised if it comes up in the post game discussion, the finishing from the team in General. None of that was Page's fault tonight, we should have absolutely battered them and be talking about what a fluid attacking side we are but sadly the finishing means that we are still........we won 2-0, that's a decent result all things considered. |
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Post by quetzal on Sept 12, 2023 0:12:27 GMT
Reading social media Page as got to go. He lost the fans. Shame because I thought this was a decent result. If I was the FAW I would let him go tonight. You can’t turn it around now. It’s done!
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Post by cymru888 on Sept 12, 2023 1:02:02 GMT
Reading social media Page as got to go. He lost the fans. Shame because I thought this was a decent result. If I was the FAW I would let him go tonight. You can’t turn it around now. It’s done! Coleman lost the fans after Macedonia (A) and Giggs lost the fans after Hungary (A). If the FAW listened to the fans, we’d still be without a major tournament appearance. |
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Post by quetzal on Sept 12, 2023 2:08:32 GMT
Reading social media Page as got to go. He lost the fans. Shame because I thought this was a decent result. If I was the FAW I would let him go tonight. You can’t turn it around now. It’s done! Coleman lost the fans after Macedonia (A) and Giggs lost the fans after Hungary (A). If the FAW listened to the fans, we’d still be without a major tournament appearance. I’ve never seen it this bad though from the fans. I learnt my lesson in our 2-1 win over Andorra away. I was critical of Coleman and look what we went on to do! I don’t think Page will ever be trusted after the World Cup shambles. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Sept 12, 2023 8:21:38 GMT
Coming home with 3 points but we certainly Made hard work of it. Can't blame Page for Johnson missing chances |
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Post by jbt95 on Sept 12, 2023 10:16:31 GMT
Page has credit in the bank now with me after the last two games, much improved and we are playing with a purpose.
Even if we lose in October v Croatia we would still have it in our hands most likely, as long as Croatia beat Turkey, with two wins in November. Hopefully Latvia can do us a favour v Turkey too.
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Post by conwy10 on Sept 12, 2023 12:31:49 GMT
I mean he is the manager. He can incentivise, reward, threaten, punish anyone who doesn't perform as they should. Take Johnson tonight, does he let it go? The lad nearly cost him his job. Does he pretend like it didnt happen, chat to him and say he believes in him, chat to him and say sorry for playing out of position, say he has to do better next time, drop him for the next matches. Sure he cant influence it in a match, but I dont think these lads walking into the team do him any favours. Majority of them looked off it tonight. Three of our main threats for goals and assists in recent years were all unavailable tonight for various reasons, James injured, Moore suspended and Bale retired. Every Wales fan in the World would have started Johnson tonight, the other option was Tom Bradshaw, the fact that Johnson had such a bad night in front of goal is something completely out of Page's hands. I'm sure Brennan knows as well a anybody that he should have scored tonight and I doubt he needs Page to tell him that. That said I wouldn't be surprised if it comes up in the post game discussion, the finishing from the team in General. None of that was Page's fault tonight, we should have absolutely battered them and be talking about what a fluid attacking side we are but sadly the finishing means that we are still........we won 2-0, that's a decent result all things considered. So you're firmly in the don't say a thing to him camp? Which is fine. Could work, I don't know the lads personality and how he will react. I do think though that a lot of players do give a lot of similar standard performances. Maybe spelling it out every once in a while could be the motivation they need. I know we had a lot of players out. It was the perfecperfect opportunity for someone to step up in their absence or for an unsung hero to get on the scoresheet. Neco wasted a lot, Davies headed straight at the keeper from a few yards out where anywhere else would have been a goal, Johnson smashed a few car windows with that car park behind the goal. |
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Post by hooky on Sept 12, 2023 22:07:59 GMT
I was pleased for Page then I heard him rant that the players played for me!
I said the players definitely seemed to be playing for him BUT what a childish, defensive thing to say about yourself - there is no need to say it. He should say they played for the shirt, their nation, they wanted to put things right. Its not about me. Welsh people are self depreciating. The players are playing for their country and themselves and families first and foremost you muppet!
What he said is not the kind of thing a leader of men says - it is not about you Mr Page and if you use that line then were they playing against you vs Armenia?
Seriously he is not the most intelligent. It makes him come across as needy, self indulgent and a little desperate. He really has been a bit weird since we qualified for the WC. Maybe he needs to adopt the manta less is more
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Post by jimexotic on Sept 12, 2023 22:10:53 GMT
Three of our main threats for goals and assists in recent years were all unavailable tonight for various reasons, James injured, Moore suspended and Bale retired. Every Wales fan in the World would have started Johnson tonight, the other option was Tom Bradshaw, the fact that Johnson had such a bad night in front of goal is something completely out of Page's hands. I'm sure Brennan knows as well a anybody that he should have scored tonight and I doubt he needs Page to tell him that. That said I wouldn't be surprised if it comes up in the post game discussion, the finishing from the team in General. None of that was Page's fault tonight, we should have absolutely battered them and be talking about what a fluid attacking side we are but sadly the finishing means that we are still........we won 2-0, that's a decent result all things considered. So you're firmly in the don't say a thing to him camp? Which is fine. Could work, I don't know the lads personality and how he will react. I do think though that a lot of players do give a lot of similar standard performances. Maybe spelling it out every once in a while could be the motivation they need. I know we had a lot of players out. It was the perfecperfect opportunity for someone to step up in their absence or for an unsung hero to get on the scoresheet. Neco wasted a lot, Davies headed straight at the keeper from a few yards out where anywhere else would have been a goal, Johnson smashed a few car windows with that car park behind the goal. Yeah I think calling him out individually, at his age and experience, probably wouldn't be too clever a thing, especially as he wasn't the only one guilty of missing decent chances, as you point out. I think talking to the group as a whole and talking through the issues with finishing is something that should be done, if we were only 25% more clinical we'd have probably got through our World Cup group. It's not an exaggeration that we should have matched Croatia's score last night and that would have been some statement, we could have easily scored 5. |
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Post by conwy10 on Sept 13, 2023 8:54:39 GMT
So you're firmly in the don't say a thing to him camp? Which is fine. Could work, I don't know the lads personality and how he will react. I do think though that a lot of players do give a lot of similar standard performances. Maybe spelling it out every once in a while could be the motivation they need. I know we had a lot of players out. It was the perfecperfect opportunity for someone to step up in their absence or for an unsung hero to get on the scoresheet. Neco wasted a lot, Davies headed straight at the keeper from a few yards out where anywhere else would have been a goal, Johnson smashed a few car windows with that car park behind the goal. Yeah I think calling him out individually, at his age and experience, probably wouldn't be too clever a thing, especially as he wasn't the only one guilty of missing decent chances, as you point out. I think talking to the group as a whole and talking through the issues with finishing is something that should be done, if we were only 25% more clinical we'd have probably got through our World Cup group. It's not an exaggeration that we should have matched Croatia's score last night and that would have been some statement, we could have easily scored 5. He has a lot of tools at his disposal, from the outside looking in it seems like he doesn't use them. I get the feeling the atmosphere in the group is very passive, there's an understanding that everyone does there best and that's it. No one is held accountable for mistakes etc. Its an approach that served us well when we had one of the best players in the world in our squad. I think it should be a bit different now though as we are underperforming every match. |
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Post by oldman on Sept 22, 2023 9:16:33 GMT
You don't need to pick holes in anything. As I've said before and I'll say again Page is an inept manager at international level and his lack of experience clearly shows as Wales have no option B. When we were playing nation league games, such as Poland away, he should have played a few youngsters instead of playing Jonny Williams and Gunter etc. Yes Williams scored, I know that, but every team in Europe were giving starts to younger players and we started a team full of pages mates. He should quit now and we can get someone in for the Playoffs Page has a lack of experience? Show me any other Welsh manager that has been to two major tournaments. And the 8 extra spaces in the Euros had nothing to do with it. Wake up - it is much easier to qualify for Euros and the world cup (especially in 2024) than it ever was. The nations league tournament format is almost guaranteeing us a second chance with a play off spot. |
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Post by njdragon on Sept 22, 2023 9:47:18 GMT
Page has a lack of experience? Show me any other Welsh manager that has been to two major tournaments. And the 8 extra spaces in the Euros had nothing to do with it. Wake up - it is much easier to qualify for Euros and the world cup (especially in 2024) than it ever was. The nations league tournament format is almost guaranteeing us a second chance with a play off spot. same can be said about cookie then Thing is you still have to win games to get to these tournaments whatever format... and we have been doing that. The 2 World cup play offs remember them. I think we beat a decent side in Ukraine to get there. Games in the past we would have lost but we now get results - croatia away for example. Losing to the likes of armenia and scraping a win against Latvia at home would have been the norm 10 years ago, now we all expect more and to be fair most of the time we get it. The last camp for example, 2 clean sheets, a win and a draw - 2 good results off the back of a disappointing run |
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Post by marsvolta on Sept 22, 2023 14:33:11 GMT
Page has a lack of experience? Show me any other Welsh manager that has been to two major tournaments. And the 8 extra spaces in the Euros had nothing to do with it. Wake up - it is much easier to qualify for Euros and the world cup (especially in 2024) than it ever was. The nations league tournament format is almost guaranteeing us a second chance with a play off spot. Great point, if it wasn’t for the fact that we qualified through the Euro qualifiers as runners up and not through the playoffs and not through the Nations League. |
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Post by iot on Sept 22, 2023 20:22:39 GMT
Page has a lack of experience? Show me any other Welsh manager that has been to two major tournaments. And the 8 extra spaces in the Euros had nothing to do with it. Wake up - it is much easier to qualify for Euros and the world cup (especially in 2024) than it ever was. The nations league tournament format is almost guaranteeing us a second chance with a play off spot. Qualifying for the 2022 World Cup is in the top 3 Welsh footballing achievements of all time. I really dislike the way people are trying to downplay that historic achievement to suit their own agenda. |
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Post by oldman on Sept 23, 2023 9:05:48 GMT
And the 8 extra spaces in the Euros had nothing to do with it. Wake up - it is much easier to qualify for Euros and the world cup (especially in 2024) than it ever was. The nations league tournament format is almost guaranteeing us a second chance with a play off spot. Qualifying for the 2022 World Cup is in the top 3 Welsh footballing achievements of all time. I really dislike the way people are trying to downplay that historic achievement to suit their own agenda. I haven't got a personal agenda! I along with many of my friends who travel regularly to Wales games just don't think he is good enough for the Welsh job and he got it by default. He is tactically naive and never has a plan B. After his abysmal team selections didn't get us out of the group stages in the World Cup, and we were one of the worst performing countries in Qatar, he should have done the honorable thing and resigned. He picks 'mates' above ability and should have played up and coming players in the nations league not 'has beens' just like every other nation did. |
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Post by iot on Sept 23, 2023 10:04:57 GMT
Qualifying for the 2022 World Cup is in the top 3 Welsh footballing achievements of all time. I really dislike the way people are trying to downplay that historic achievement to suit their own agenda. I haven't got a personal agenda! I along with many of my friends who travel regularly to Wales games just don't think he is good enough for the Welsh job and he got it by default. He is tactically naive and never has a plan B. After his abysmal team selections didn't get us out of the group stages in the World Cup, and we were one of the worst performing countries in Qatar, he should have done the honorable thing and resigned. He picks 'mates' above ability and should have played up and coming players in the nations league not 'has beens' just like every other nation did. Page deserves criticism for some of the decisions made and shocking performances, though it's been way over the top. But that's no reason to downplay our achievements. Also disagree with most of the other stuff you just said, find it quite lazy. 'Picks his mates' - yeah right! |
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Oct 10, 2023 18:40:58 GMT
Wish that RP would sometimes be a little less forthright in his press conferences. Didn't really much care for his pre-match comments about the Korea game, which in the end turned out to be a worthwhile enough exercise.
Now today, he gives a blunt 'no' to a question about playing fixtures at the Millennium/Principality Stadium (National Stadium of Wales) ahead of 2028 - fair enough, no-one is looking at wanting to play there say next year or the year after... but if we were to qualify for Euro 2028 (please! please!), surely it would be foolish not to have a few run-outs at the Stadium in late 2027/early 2028, if only to steal a march on potential finals opponents.
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Post by dragonsoccer on Oct 10, 2023 19:09:25 GMT
also comments like the old school wales managers of years gone past.... injury excuses already made ahead of Croatia
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Post by surge on Oct 10, 2023 19:16:54 GMT
Wish that RP would sometimes be a little less forthright in his press conferences. Didn't really much care for his pre-match comments about the Korea game, which in the end turned out to be a worthwhile enough exercise. Now today, he gives a blunt 'no' to a question about playing fixtures at the Millennium/Principality Stadium (National Stadium of Wales) ahead of 2028 - fair enough, no-one is looking at wanting to play there say next year or the year after... but if we were to qualify for Euro 2028 (please! please!), surely it would be foolish not to have a few run-outs at the Stadium in late 2027/early 2028, if only to steal a march on potential finals opponents. Everyone and their dog knows we will end up playing there before the Euro's kicks off to help us prepare if, please, we qualify. Does Page not realise this? Or does Page realise this but knows media want to make it into a story (when will Wales return to the Millenium?) and is shutting it down for now? But more to the point, why does he think he needs to answer this question? That's a Noel Mooney question for sure. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 11, 2023 14:30:57 GMT
Wish that RP would sometimes be a little less forthright in his press conferences. Didn't really much care for his pre-match comments about the Korea game, which in the end turned out to be a worthwhile enough exercise. Now today, he gives a blunt 'no' to a question about playing fixtures at the Millennium/Principality Stadium (National Stadium of Wales) ahead of 2028 - fair enough, no-one is looking at wanting to play there say next year or the year after... but if we were to qualify for Euro 2028 (please! please!), surely it would be foolish not to have a few run-outs at the Stadium in late 2027/early 2028, if only to steal a march on potential finals opponents. In fairness Page's comments turned out to be a smokescreen, as he played a strong XI instead of resting everyone. Sometimes managers do lead the press a little bit to take pressure off the players I also think if he said yes he'd be taking more pelters from the fans that will never accept him as our manager, so he probably just wanted to avoid that, or maybe earn a few brownie points now |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Oct 11, 2023 15:45:35 GMT
Nothing stopping him giving a nuanced answer. I suspect Page doesn't do nuance.
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Post by njdragon on Oct 11, 2023 15:59:39 GMT
once upon a time you would have been crucified for suggesting we play any match in the principality
Odd that its now used as a stick to beat page further.
Personally id never risk a qualifier there
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