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Post by winsumluzsum on Oct 11, 2023 16:02:25 GMT
once upon a time you would have been crucified for suggesting we play any match in the principality Odd that its now used as a stick to beat page further. Personally id never risk a qualifier there And what about friendlies? This is what I mean by nuance. |
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Post by njdragon on Oct 11, 2023 16:11:17 GMT
once upon a time you would have been crucified for suggesting we play any match in the principality Odd that its now used as a stick to beat page further. Personally id never risk a qualifier there And what about friendlies? This is what I mean by nuance. Well that goes without saying we'd have to, I suppose Pages job is just to rule it out. Mooney and co would be responsible for friendlies. |
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Post by athenempadu on Oct 11, 2023 21:27:14 GMT
I'd like to see a new manager in place asap to oversee the transition and integration of the current crop of youngsters that are coming through, and I don't think Page has the requisite skills to undertake such a task.
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Post by hooky on Oct 11, 2023 21:38:35 GMT
And what about friendlies? This is what I mean by nuance. Well that goes without saying we'd have to, I suppose Pages job is just to rule it out. Mooney and co would be responsible for friendlies. It is not Page's job at all. Those decisions are for the FAW in the interests of the overall game. He can express his personal opinion but he should not say we wont be playing there as he has no power to decide whatsoever |
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Post by njdragon on Oct 11, 2023 22:08:16 GMT
Well that goes without saying we'd have to, I suppose Pages job is just to rule it out. Mooney and co would be responsible for friendlies. It is not Page's job at all. Those decisions are for the FAW in the interests of the overall game. He can express his personal opinion but he should not say we wont be playing there as he has no power to decide whatsoever Interested if you took the same opinion when speed, Coleman and giggs all said the same thing? He’s come out saying what the fans have expected for the past 10 years. This page hate is bloody ridiculous |
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Post by hooky on Oct 11, 2023 22:18:38 GMT
It is not Page's job at all. Those decisions are for the FAW in the interests of the overall game. He can express his personal opinion but he should not say we wont be playing there as he has no power to decide whatsoever Interested if you took the same opinion when speed, Coleman and giggs all said the same thing? He’s come out saying what the fans have expected for the past 10 years. This page hate is bloody ridiculous Did they say it 'we wont be playing there'? If they did then I missed that in the past. I thought they were giving an opinion Its not hate. I like Page as a passionate Welshman and a person. I just think he is a poor manager that is holding us back. You can never take away what he has achieved but what have happened over the past twelve months really reflects poorly on him. I hope he gets us qualified, improves significantly as a manager, we do well and I look a fool - just as much for him as for Wales. I just don't see this being possible based on the current evidence |
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Post by njdragon on Oct 11, 2023 22:22:03 GMT
Interested if you took the same opinion when speed, Coleman and giggs all said the same thing? He’s come out saying what the fans have expected for the past 10 years. This page hate is bloody ridiculous Did they say it 'we wont be playing there'? If they did then I missed that in the past. I thought they were giving an opinion Its not hate. I like Page as a passionate Welshman and a person. I just think he is a poor manager that is holding us back. You can never take away what he has achieved but what have happened over the past twelve months really reflects poorly on him. I hope he gets us qualified, improves significantly as a manager, we do well and I look a fool - just as much for him as for Wales. I just don't see this being possible based on the current evidence They all did and categorically ruled it out, it worked for us and no fan wanted to go back there. Fair enough but I disagree we’re off the back of 3 now decent results. Let’s see what the next 3/4 games bring. I think he deserves a chance now. |
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Post by hooky on Oct 11, 2023 22:30:24 GMT
If I stand corrected then I would say the same for all of them - unless the FAW told them we will not play there then they have no power over that decision do they?
Don't you think if it was full to capacity with passionate fans and the roof was closed that the atmosphere in the Principality could be exceptional?
I honestly hope Page finds something within himself to drive us forward, and gets a fair dose of luck too. If we get 3 wins on the bounce then he will have certainly achieved our objective and I will have great respect for him having achieved that. At the moment my heart thinks its possible, but the head if greatly worried! Lets hope he pulls it off!
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Post by njdragon on Oct 12, 2023 8:09:56 GMT
If I stand corrected then I would say the same for all of them - unless the FAW told them we will not play there then they have no power over that decision do they? Don't you think if it was full to capacity with passionate fans and the roof was closed that the atmosphere in the Principality could be exceptional? I honestly hope Page finds something within himself to drive us forward, and gets a fair dose of luck too. If we get 3 wins on the bounce then he will have certainly achieved our objective and I will have great respect for him having achieved that. At the moment my heart thinks its possible, but the head if greatly worried! Lets hope he pulls it off! At the time it was what the fans wanted the manager to say, im sure there were struggles at the time where the FAW tried to push us back there but it was always a hard no from the management. The FAW looking at short term revenue and when ford came in he realised qualification would be a bigger money spinner and we'd only achieve that with a full stadium Im not convinced as we'll have a die hard crowd for small matches 30k in a 70k seater stadium doesn't look great... and lots of others just turning up to watch the bigger names play against us, it dilutes the atmosphere. Was always a problem under hughes, just lots of kids with horns and no canton end etc. I saw the republic there one time (and a few other low attendance games), it was awful their fans just drowned us all out. Must have been one of the last games. There was also struggles with the management there, i remember an argument where Saunders was warming down players after the match and they were told to get off the pitch by the stadium officials who were more interested in keeping the pitch for the rugby. Wales have really made Cardiff city stadium their own and to be fair its worked well. We will have to play there for this upcoming tournament but im not sure playing qualifiers there would be a good idea |
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Post by athenempadu on Oct 12, 2023 22:56:43 GMT
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Oct 13, 2023 5:33:00 GMT
"Wales have really made Cardiff City Stadium their own..."
Let's just hope then that the Stadium 'shows its magic' on Sunday night against Croatia!
I think that there's perhaps a danger, though, that we overstate how much of a 'fortress' it is; over the past 2 years, we've lost there to the Netherlands, Poland & Armenia and - including friendlies - only managed draws against Estonia, Czech Republic, South Korea & Belgium (twice).
That said, I'm crossing fingers for a 2-0 home victory on Sunday! Weather conditions look good for the weekend.
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Oct 13, 2023 5:44:56 GMT
Hope too that RP dispels his doubters' fears by getting things right pre-match + once the game gets under way.
IF we beat Croatia... his 'all matches' record for 2023 to date, going into November, would then be: Played 8, Won 4, Drawn 2, Lost 2.
The draws were against Croatia (A) and South Korea (H), two pretty decent sides.
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Post by njdragon on Oct 13, 2023 6:09:44 GMT
"Wales have really made Cardiff City Stadium their own..." Let's just hope then that the Stadium 'shows its magic' on Sunday night against Croatia! I think that there's perhaps a danger, though, that we overstate how much of a 'fortress' it is; over the past 2 years, we've lost there to the Netherlands, Poland & Armenia and - including friendlies - only managed draws against Estonia, Czech Republic, South Korea & Belgium (twice). That said, I'm crossing fingers for a 2-0 home victory on Sunday! Weather conditions look good for the weekend. Glass half empty, prior to Armenia the stat was Wales had not lost in 12 home European Championship qualifiers – the last defeat being against England in March 2011 |
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Post by marsvolta on Oct 13, 2023 6:17:23 GMT
It’s not only about whether it’s become a fortress for us or not.
Whatever our record is in the Cardiff City stadium, surely it’s agreed that the atmosphere is better there and that’s bound to help the team,there’s nothing to suggest that the results would be any better in a half full Millennium stadium.
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Post by vvm on Oct 13, 2023 13:01:08 GMT
Seems like opinions on Page are shifting to a more positive light again. Hopeful that he can do the impossible with 3 wins from 3 but I honestly can't see it.
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Post by saturn9 on Oct 13, 2023 13:11:46 GMT
Seems like opinions on Page are shifting to a more positive light again. Hopeful that he can do the impossible with 3 wins from 3 but I honestly can't see it. Mooney's said today that we can't keep losing games, and I think the suits will decide his fate after the Nov.games. |
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Post by jbt95 on Oct 13, 2023 13:28:47 GMT
Seems like opinions on Page are shifting to a more positive light again. Hopeful that he can do the impossible with 3 wins from 3 but I honestly can't see it. It needs to be 4 from 4 as we won our last game! C’mon let’s do this Cymru! We are basically playing Sunday to determine if we can have a chance to win both games in either November or March anyway! |
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Post by athenempadu on Oct 13, 2023 13:58:30 GMT
Seems like opinions on Page are shifting to a more positive light again. Hopeful that he can do the impossible with 3 wins from 3 but I honestly can't see it. I'm sure Page can still do a job as Wales manager, but since we are in transition I don't think he is the right person to bring the youngsters through, which requires an entirely different skillset. If it's done right, we should be able to build a very good attacking side that is anchored by Ampadu & Co in midfield. |
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Post by garynysmon on Oct 13, 2023 14:47:14 GMT
Page just feels like he’s in purgatory to me.
We know he’s not an international quality coach and isn’t going to get the best out of a team without any world class talent.
The next few months feel like a total waste to a degree, do we believe in our heart of hearts that we’re going to win the next three matches and/or can Page guide us through the play-offs?
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Post by iot on Oct 13, 2023 14:59:17 GMT
Page just feels like he’s in purgatory to me. We know he’s not an international quality coach and isn’t going to get the best out of a team without any world class talent. The next few months feel like a total waste to a degree, do we believe in our heart of hearts that we’re going to win the next three matches and/or can Page guide us through the play-offs? "We know he’s not an international quality coach" That feels like a bit of a meaningless statement to me. What is an 'international quality coach'? We probably have the budget of a L1 side, so it shouldn't be surprising that that's the level of quality we can go after. I imagine most other international sides are the same. 'The next few months feel like a total waste to a degree, do we believe in our heart of hearts that we’re going to win the next three matches and/or can Page guide us through the play-offs?' I don't wholly subscribe to this narrative that Page is woeful tactically, because there have been some great tactical performances. Equally, there have been some terrible ones - so it's been a mixed bag over these last couple of years. As for whether he can guide us through the playoffs - if only we had some sort of recent, similar scenario that we could look at?  I know, you'll claim it was all down to Bale, but I think that's an oversimplification. I'm sure 90% of fans want Page gone, I can see the case for and against. The players seem to back him, he knows all about them, recent performances have been better, and like it or not, he has a strong track record as the only Welsh manager to ever earn qualification to a world cup. There's also the question of who we would be able to bring in on a L1 budget. The only realistic candidates I can think of are Osian Roberts and Nathan Jones - I think the former's entirely unproven and while I personally would be intrigued with the latter, I'm sure many fans would be mortified. |
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Post by janglingjack on Oct 13, 2023 15:19:53 GMT
I think even if we do take it to the last game turkey would tear us apart on the break because the manager wouldn't have the tactical nouse to combat it,still settle for taking it to the last game anyway though.
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Post by quetzal on Oct 13, 2023 19:20:26 GMT
I think if we don’t beat Croatia, Page gets fired the next day. Noel Mooney talking about ‘budgeted for qualification’. He doesn’t get the play offs. Straight out!
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Post by saturn9 on Oct 13, 2023 19:23:24 GMT
I think if we don’t beat Croatia, Page gets fired the next day. Noel Mooney talking about ‘budgeted for qualification’. He doesn’t get the play offs. Straight out! Agree. |
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Post by njdragon on Oct 13, 2023 20:13:19 GMT
I think if we don’t beat Croatia, Page gets fired the next day. Noel Mooney talking about ‘budgeted for qualification’. He doesn’t get the play offs. Straight out! No chance he deserves this full campaign, surely more revenue if we qualify via play offs anyway |
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Post by athenempadu on Oct 13, 2023 20:19:16 GMT
I think if we don’t beat Croatia, Page gets fired the next day. Noel Mooney talking about ‘budgeted for qualification’. He doesn’t get the play offs. Straight out! I'll be placing my Jack Daniels Xmas order early this year just in case... |
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Post by njdragon on Oct 13, 2023 20:28:59 GMT
The most balanced opinion on page I’ve seen here..
He’s done well for us but he’s not the right manager to be bringing us through this transitional phase.
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Post by quetzal on Oct 13, 2023 20:45:52 GMT
I think if we don’t beat Croatia, Page gets fired the next day. Noel Mooney talking about ‘budgeted for qualification’. He doesn’t get the play offs. Straight out! No chance he deserves this full campaign, surely more revenue if we qualify via play offs anyway FAW looking for the new manager bounce. Personally hope we win the 3 remaining games |
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Post by njdragon on Oct 13, 2023 20:52:18 GMT
No chance he deserves this full campaign, surely more revenue if we qualify via play offs anyway FAW looking for the new manager bounce. Personally hope we win the 3 remaining games I don’t think wales have ever had a new manager bounce. Maybe for 1 game. |
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Post by zserty on Oct 13, 2023 22:49:00 GMT
I think if we don’t beat Croatia, Page gets fired the next day. Noel Mooney talking about ‘budgeted for qualification’. He doesn’t get the play offs. Straight out! No chance he deserves this full campaign, surely more revenue if we qualify via play offs anyway Why does he deserve it? In my view if we lose on Sunday its campaign over and we have to get a manager who has a clue to get us in shape for the playoff games. |
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Post by njdragon on Oct 14, 2023 6:15:33 GMT
No chance he deserves this full campaign, surely more revenue if we qualify via play offs anyway Why does he deserve it? In my view if we lose on Sunday its campaign over and we have to get a manager who has a clue to get us in shape for the playoff games. If we lose against Croatia? We are always expected to lose against Croatia. Huge that we got a point away to them. Campaigns isn’t over, it’s because of the work giggs and page put in we still have the chance in the plays offs. He’s guided us successfully through tough play offs before. Who’s this mysterious manager that is going to come in and work wonders? Even without considering our budget |
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I know, you'll claim it was all down to Bale, but I think that's an oversimplification. 