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Post by alarch on Mar 4, 2018 22:12:11 GMT
Dummett is certainly a decent option at centre-half, freeing up Davies to play at wing-back. The games between now and the end of the season would be a good chance to test the waters with Dummett.
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Post by cymroircarn on Mar 5, 2018 0:32:56 GMT
Guys, you are forgetting one thing, its not about Wales turning Dummett down, he turned us down. He has to make himself available first before being considered for any squad..... unless I am mistaken he has not publicly shown any desire to come back to the fold.
Premier League or not, if he is not committed (which appears correct) then sorry he should not be considered.
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Post by christaff on Mar 5, 2018 10:50:02 GMT
Watched Paul dummet stand out for newcastle against liverpool.defending of that quality would only improve us imho.new manager new start etc. Our playing base isn't stocked full of premier league quality. Tuff one for giggs to start on.
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Post by CrackityJones on Mar 5, 2018 10:54:37 GMT
With Dummett performing well at Prem level, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets approached by Giggs ahead of the China Cup.
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Post by richierich333 on Mar 5, 2018 11:33:52 GMT
Lack of CB cover is probably why people are lenient on here, but I'd much rather see Mepham given a chance We gave him a chance and he quit us. I agree, give the likes of Mepham a chance over him. We actually need both of them not one or the other. |
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Post by cymroircarn on Mar 5, 2018 12:55:48 GMT
We gave him a chance and he quit us. I agree, give the likes of Mepham a chance over him. We actually need both of them not one or the other. I agree we need some one of Dummetts quality, but it is Dummett who has decided not to play for Wales not the other way around! I am still shocked he gets so much support when it is Dummett who said “thanks but no thanks”. We are still yet to hear publically he wants to return to the fold. Until we hear differently he is still unavailable so seems strange to discuss him as an option. If we are to discuss Dummett might as well include Collins and Shawcross as well as they are also PL defenders who have made themselves unavailable... |
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Post by texan on Mar 6, 2018 10:10:38 GMT
Dummett hasn't quit Wales: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40049274Apparently he was so frustrated having struggled with injuries and fitness so much during the 16/17 season he wanted to sit out international football so he could establish himself at club level, when he was back on form, clear of injury and playing regularly...once that hurdle was jumped he'd be open to international football again. His problem was that he allowed his agent to do the talking for him, which I wouldn't be surprised if it pissed Coleman off enough to not bother considering him again during the WCQ run-in late last year. Now however, new Wales manager, Dummett injury free and playing regularly for NUFC? Perfectly reasonable to assume Giggs may well approach him for any upcoming squads in 2018/19. Should he be involved however? I'd be unsure of the long-term commitment of anyone who can simply switch their international ambitions on and off on a whim...remember Paul Parry! |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Mar 6, 2018 11:16:06 GMT
Didn't impress the first time around, albeit with very limited opportunities to shine.
Why not try a couple of the youngsters coming through such as Conor Roberts rather than one who sulked previously? Would he be happy being just a squad member again?
On the plus side perhaps he could cover CB and FB positions.
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Post by iot on Mar 6, 2018 14:26:14 GMT
I agree with Cymroircarn, it's up to him to approach Giggs and tell him he wants to be considered. I very much doubt he's all that bothered. If we approach him he might agree, but there's a good chance he'll let us down again if he isn't getting the opportunities he thinks he deserves. So as long as he approaches us, I would happily see him return to the fold. But I wouldn't want Giggs to approach him.
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Post by fiveattheback on Mar 6, 2018 15:53:23 GMT
Didn't impress the first time around, albeit with very limited opportunities to shine. Why not try a couple of the youngsters coming through such as Conor Roberts rather than one who sulked previously? Would he be happy being just a squad member again? On the plus side perhaps he could cover CB and FB positions. Dummett's competition would be Taylor & Davies. Should Dummett get in ahead of Taylor? |
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Post by CrackityJones on Mar 6, 2018 16:33:40 GMT
If Dummett is keen to rejoin the fold and approaches Giggs to declare his eligibility then he would definitely be ahead of Taylor on current form. I'd also have Morgan Fox, Declan John and Conor Roberts ahead of Taylor.
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Post by alarch on Mar 6, 2018 16:45:19 GMT
If Dummett is keen to rejoin the fold and approaches Giggs to declare his eligibility then he would definitely be ahead of Taylor on current form. I'd also have Morgan Fox, Declan John and Conor Roberts ahead of Taylor. Fox is struggling for Championship Wednesday (not impressed when I saw him in the flesh recently against Swansea), John is dodgy defensively, and Roberts is making his way. I can't see why any of the above have a stronger claim than Taylor, given his age and pedigree. Shiny new thing thinking again methinks... |
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Post by CrackityJones on Mar 6, 2018 16:47:39 GMT
...isn't that what friendlies are for? Trying something new in place of dull, aging things that haven't performed well since???
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2018 17:03:36 GMT
I do agree with Alarch that Taylor is still the best of the names mentioned. I've seen very varied performances from Fox this season. Great he's getting games but still a way off Taylor. I'd like to see Connor get capped as he seems to have potential.
I've made this post a lot over the last couple of years but left back could be a concern for us in the future. The ideal scenario would be that we develop top draw centre halves and Davies goes back out wide.
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Post by CrackityJones on Mar 6, 2018 17:14:04 GMT
Yep Davies first choice all day, totally wasted at CB. Anyone else will be in the squad as back up only. The forthcoming friendlies are a good chance to see what Roberts/John/Fox can bring to the party now that Jazz Richards is injured and the long term off form Taylor isn't getting game time.
Back on topic...I guess we'll find out soon if Dummett has made himself available and even then, if he's prepared to play second fiddle to Davies.
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Post by welshiron on Mar 6, 2018 17:20:16 GMT
Davies must play left back for us and will if we play a back 4
Who would partner Chester, probably still Williams but we need to look at Mepham and Ampadu as we don't know if Ash will get his mojo back as he hasn't been the same since the Ireland game.
As for Dummett think he is our second best left back and would be useful as a back up center half. That's if he's available
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Post by cymroircarn on Mar 7, 2018 20:10:08 GMT
Dummett not named in the leaked provisional squad for China
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Post by cymru98 on Mar 15, 2018 12:12:36 GMT
Dummett not named in the leaked provisional squad for China Giggs said he’s focusing on Newcastle if I heard the stream correct. |
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Post by ae15 on Mar 15, 2018 12:47:49 GMT
That's him over with sadly. Had a lot to offer us, but isn't up for the fight. Big shame.
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Post by zenith on Mar 15, 2018 13:28:14 GMT
Fuck him, if he wants throw his toys out of the pram and refuse call ups then good riddance.
Plenty of cover at left back anyway - Davies, Taylor, John, Richards. Never seen him play centre half so not missing much.
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Post by iot on Mar 15, 2018 14:32:38 GMT
'Defender Paul Dummett asked not to be considered as he wants to focus on Newcastle's Premier League relegation battle.'
Good, I hope this puts the issue to bed now. As I've said before, he's clearly not fussed about playing for us so he shouldn't be spoken about for future squads. No more criticisms of managers for not selecting him when he's made it clear he isn't committed
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Post by cymroircarn on Mar 15, 2018 15:32:58 GMT
It's not difficult to find valid reasons for criticising Dummett in this - but that doesn't validate ignoring the man-management issues that situations like this raise. It is worth noting that Dummett has explicitly stated that he hasn't retired - and it would be surprising if some sort of spat with Coleman hasn't occurred - considering that the account that both individuals gave of Dummett's status were completely at odds with one another. It's a tricky job being a manager, especially an international manager with so few games for players to be involved with. But with such a shallow squad, man-management is a major part of the job description, to ensure that we aren't losing players needlessly. Dummett is an easy obvious target for fans who obviously put a premium on loyalty to the cause, but if we want to prosper long-term we have to look beyond such narrow considerations and see the bigger picture. Still of the same opinion regards Dummett? |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Mar 15, 2018 15:41:11 GMT
Forget about him now. Let's concentrate on those that want to play for Wales.
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Post by BA Baracus on Mar 15, 2018 16:00:20 GMT
Dummett's nationality is Geordie
(pet)
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Post by gwernybwch on Mar 15, 2018 18:38:41 GMT
Prefers playing for his club, than his country. That boy has all the making of being a future Wales Manager.
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Post by cymroircarn on Mar 15, 2018 18:56:30 GMT
Prefers playing for his club, than his country. That boy has all the making of being a future Wales Manager. zzzzz, getting boring now |
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Post by conwy10 on Mar 15, 2018 19:40:29 GMT
Prefers playing for his club, than his country. That boy has all the making of being a future Wales Manager. zzzzz, getting boring now It is true though 😂😂 I find it hilarious personally |
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Post by bale-droed on Mar 16, 2018 12:38:34 GMT
When Giggs said in his first week he was speaking to a player who had played for Wales at youth level but was thinking of switching allegiances everybody was throwing names out of current youth players but I couldn't help but wonder if Dummett was the one he was talking to. He's still eligible for England
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Post by cymroircarn on Mar 16, 2018 20:04:06 GMT
Anyone seen the list of Welsh left backs shared by Podcast? 😂
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Post by marsvolta on Mar 16, 2018 22:00:27 GMT
When Giggs said in his first week he was speaking to a player who had played for Wales at youth level but was thinking of switching allegiances everybody was throwing names out of current youth players but I couldn't help but wonder if Dummett was the one he was talking to. He's still eligible for England Yes, he is still technically eligible but i think there is some sort of agreement with the home nations that they will not select a player who has made a senior appearance, even if it is a friendly. I'm sure England woud break that agreement if they had to, not sure they'd do it for Dummett tho. |
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