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Post by jbt95 on Jun 28, 2020 11:21:08 GMT
Chester being released is baffling. Tyrone Mings gets an easy ride for how much of a liability he is. Chester is the best natural defender Villa had. I think his stock is too low at the moment for a Premier League team though. Villa might be in the championship next season. Could be that they may resign him if they go down? |
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Post by conwy10 on Jun 28, 2020 16:20:47 GMT
Chester being released is baffling. Tyrone Mings gets an easy ride for how much of a liability he is. Chester is the best natural defender Villa had. I think his stock is too low at the moment for a Premier League team though. I'd suspect he's on a decent wage. They probably don't want to risk keeping on expensive players who aren't in the starting XI in case they drop down a level. Possibly, don’t get why they favoured Mings over him. He’s the English David Luiz. Only thing he’s got on Chester is his injury record is better. |
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Post by conwy10 on Jun 28, 2020 16:22:43 GMT
Chester being released is baffling. Tyrone Mings gets an easy ride for how much of a liability he is. Chester is the best natural defender Villa had. I think his stock is too low at the moment for a Premier League team though. Villa might be in the championship next season. Could be that they may resign him if they go down? Don’t think I’d go back if that was the case. It’d be them saying you’re only good enough for this division. If they bounced back he’d be off again. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jun 28, 2020 20:05:36 GMT
I'd suspect he's on a decent wage. They probably don't want to risk keeping on expensive players who aren't in the starting XI in case they drop down a level. Possibly, don’t get why they favoured Mings over him. He’s the English David Luiz. Only thing he’s got on Chester is his injury record is better. Yeah baffles me too. Villa fan I know rates him but every time I've seen him he's like a ticking time bomb. Chester is far more consistent. |
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Post by jbt95 on Jun 29, 2020 9:32:10 GMT
Villa might be in the championship next season. Could be that they may resign him if they go down? Don’t think I’d go back if that was the case. It’d be them saying you’re only good enough for this division. If they bounced back he’d be off again. They may have to offload players or players get snapped up (reducing the wage bill) before they can offer released players new terms to sign. |
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Post by iot on Jul 9, 2020 18:52:13 GMT
Can't find his thread, but sounds like James Chester has had a real stinker. He comes on at half time with stoke 1-0 down, and they proceed to concede another four second half. He had at least one howler apparently and he's getting a tonne of stick on twitter!
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Post by manulike on Jul 11, 2020 12:32:13 GMT
Can't find his thread, but sounds like James Chester has had a real stinker. He comes on at half time with stoke 1-0 down, and they proceed to concede another four second half. He had at least one howler apparently and he's getting a tonne of stick on twitter! That is bad news indeed. Can't honestly say that I remember a single bad game or even below average game for Wales ;-( #ComeBackStronger
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Post by welwyn on Jul 12, 2020 12:24:29 GMT
Starting again today
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Post by bale-droed on Jul 18, 2020 13:20:30 GMT
Having a great game for Stoke! There will be plenty of interested clubs next season
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Post by hooky on Jul 18, 2020 15:37:53 GMT
Good to hear!
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Post by CrackityJones on Aug 10, 2020 17:52:10 GMT
Chester making his time at Stoke permanent
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Post by 1gwaunview on Aug 10, 2020 18:32:01 GMT
Good for him. Hope he stays fit going forward, and can regain his place with us.
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Post by bobbyghoul on Aug 12, 2020 12:04:30 GMT
Good for him. Hope he stays fit going forward, and can regain his place with us. I hope he's good enough to regain his place. Not guaranteed if Rodon, Mepham and Lockyear are available. But I'll take any depth at all in our weakest area of the squad. |
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Post by jbt95 on Aug 13, 2020 21:01:13 GMT
Good for him. Hope he stays fit going forward, and can regain his place with us. I hope he's good enough to regain his place. Not guaranteed if Rodon, Mepham and Lockyear are available. But I'll take any depth at all in our weakest area of the squad. You forgot about Cabango. CB is not our weakest area. CM is. |
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Post by bobbyghoul on Aug 13, 2020 22:18:40 GMT
I hope he's good enough to regain his place. Not guaranteed if Rodon, Mepham and Lockyear are available. But I'll take any depth at all in our weakest area of the squad. You forgot about Cabango. CB is not our weakest area. CM is. I didn't forget the uncapped Cabango. I see your point but think Allen, Ampadu, Ramsey, Morrell and Smith gives us more quality and depth than we have at CB. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Aug 14, 2020 0:22:22 GMT
You forgot about Cabango. CB is not our weakest area. CM is. I didn't forget the uncapped Cabango. I see your point but think Allen, Ampadu, Ramsey, Morrell and Smith gives us more quality and depth than we have at CB. Rodon, Mepham, Lockyer, Chester, Ash, Cabango Allen, Ampadu, Morrell, Vaulks, Smith, Levitt (Ramsey is a 10 for us not a CM) I'd say CB I feel more confident in our depth, but if Levitt, Burton or Morrell improve CM may be looking good for us over the next couple of years. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Aug 14, 2020 7:51:41 GMT
Our weakest position is easily GK. None of our usual choices are getting game time. Luckily Hennessey is still a rock for us regardless.
Chester is probably our 5th choice CB at the moment. I'd have him ahead of Ash but behind Rodon, Mepham, Lockyer & Cabango. He has the chance to change that before the November matches with some decent club form, especially if all 6 centre backs are still in the Championship.
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Post by bobbyghoul on Aug 14, 2020 10:10:39 GMT
I didn't forget the uncapped Cabango. I see your point but think Allen, Ampadu, Ramsey, Morrell and Smith gives us more quality and depth than we have at CB. Rodon, Mepham, Lockyer, Chester, Ash, Cabango Allen, Ampadu, Morrell, Vaulks, Smith, Levitt (Ramsey is a 10 for us not a CM) I'd say CB I feel more confident in our depth, but if Levitt, Burton or Morrell improve CM may be looking good for us over the next couple of years. I could see us dropping Ramsey back to 8 of needed, especially if James, Brooks and Bale were fit. But that's a discussion for another time... :-) |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Aug 14, 2020 11:11:01 GMT
Rodon, Mepham, Lockyer, Chester, Ash, Cabango Allen, Ampadu, Morrell, Vaulks, Smith, Levitt (Ramsey is a 10 for us not a CM) I'd say CB I feel more confident in our depth, but if Levitt, Burton or Morrell improve CM may be looking good for us over the next couple of years. I could see us dropping Ramsey back to 8 of needed, especially if James, Brooks and Bale were fit. But that's a discussion for another time... :-) You're quite right that is possible - Joniesta performed a similar role against Azerbaijan too. Although, I think Giggs's revelation as manager came through the success of putting round pegs in round holes following the Belarus game. Traditional 9 up top (Moore), no.10 playing as a 10 (Joniesta), 2 sitting midfielders (Allen, Morrell). Every game following that we stuck to that structure & we performed much better. Therefore, I'd be surprised if he started moving the pieces around again 1 thing I could see him doing is trying Bale upfront again - but only when we have Bale, Ramsey & Brooks available and playing that formation (which hasn't actually happened since that Ireland game where it worked so well). The reason I think he will try this is I think we need a plan B - something we don't currently have |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2020 12:05:52 GMT
Chester's still ahead of Cabango, surely.
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Post by CrackityJones on Aug 14, 2020 12:58:34 GMT
Would have thought so, I’d expect Chester to start against Finland considering our injuries in that position.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Aug 14, 2020 13:50:58 GMT
Cabango started for a team who finished in the Championship playoffs and is younger. Also he would link up with fellow clubmen Rodon and Roberts so he just edges it. I do not see how it is 'surely' Chester who makes the squad.
You could argue the case of Chester being included would be good because of his experience but we already have enough experience in the side in my view.
That being said I respect Giggs' decision regardless. There is not a lot between our centre back options.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Aug 14, 2020 14:57:29 GMT
I thought Rodon was out, but if he's in surely it's Rodon-Cabango to start given their familiarity at club level.
If it were Roberts-Rodon-Cabango-Davies we'd have a Swansea produced back 4!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2020 15:32:25 GMT
Cabango started for a team who finished in the Championship playoffs and is younger. Also he would link up with fellow clubmen Rodon and Roberts so he just edges it. I do not see how it is 'surely' Chester who makes the squad. You could argue the case of Chester being included would be good because of his experience but we already have enough experience in the side in my view. That being said I respect Giggs' decision regardless. There is not a lot between our centre back options. Cabango started due to all the injuries, a fully fit squad he'd have struggled to make the bench unfortunately. Should stay with the u21s and get games as little about his performances cry out for senior involvement beyond that "he played". |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2020 15:44:32 GMT
I thought Rodon was out, but if he's in surely it's Rodon-Cabango to start given their familiarity at club level. If it were Roberts-Rodon-Cabango-Davies we'd have a Swansea produced back 4! Rodon and Cabango have barely played together. February this year they had a run but before that they'd had different periods out on loan, had never crossed paths in the Swans or Wales age groups, plus Joe's injuries. Even simply training together there's not been a great deal of overlap there. |
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Post by cadno on Aug 14, 2020 17:16:44 GMT
Chester is our best centre half, simple as that
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Post by jbt95 on Aug 14, 2020 18:13:31 GMT
You forgot about Cabango. CB is not our weakest area. CM is. I didn't forget the uncapped Cabango. I see your point but think Allen, Ampadu, Ramsey, Morrell and Smith gives us more quality and depth than we have at CB. 3 of those have 25 combined caps for Wales, and played hardly any football last season either. Morrell played the most but at league one level and the season got cut short. The two experienced players, both are injury and suspension prone. CB we are blessed. It is one of our strongest areas on the pitch. Probably the strongest. |
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Post by jbt95 on Aug 14, 2020 18:19:18 GMT
Cabango started for a team who finished in the Championship playoffs and is younger. Also he would link up with fellow clubmen Rodon and Roberts so he just edges it. I do not see how it is 'surely' Chester who makes the squad. You could argue the case of Chester being included would be good because of his experience but we already have enough experience in the side in my view. That being said I respect Giggs' decision regardless. There is not a lot between our centre back options. Cabango started due to all the injuries, a fully fit squad he'd have struggled to make the bench unfortunately. Should stay with the u21s and get games as little about his performances cry out for senior involvement beyond that "he played". Well that's the way of Ben Davies in 2012, started due to injury and never looked back. Assume Ash Williams is out of the picture for this September camp at least, Rodon is out, Mephem is out too I believe? Almost certain Cabango will be in. |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Aug 14, 2020 19:06:39 GMT
Chester is our best centre half, simple as that Agree, if he's 100% fit. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2020 19:30:42 GMT
Cabango started due to all the injuries, a fully fit squad he'd have struggled to make the bench unfortunately. Should stay with the u21s and get games as little about his performances cry out for senior involvement beyond that "he played". Well that's the way of Ben Davies in 2012, started due to injury and never looked back. Assume Ash Williams is out of the picture for this September camp at least, Rodon is out, Mephem is out too I believe? Almost certain Cabango will be in. If I can be fussy here (and why not) Ben Davies had already been introduced with one sub appearance before Taylor broke his leg. Laudrup had picked him out early on, seeing him as a future left-sided centre half for us. Injury played its part in how much football he got right away but I do think Davies' emergence was inevitable that season. Taylor was a weak link. Cabango had a good mid season when Wilmot and Guehi looked a right shambles whenever they were involved, but by the end the 4 centre halves had each played themselves in ahead of him, fitness permitting. |
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