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Post by flynnfan on Oct 11, 2014 12:37:34 GMT
Because Nyatanga and Morgan have had good games for Wales? eg- away to Germany, 3-0 at home to Norway etc
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Post by hookd on Oct 11, 2014 12:46:08 GMT
Because Nyatanga and Morgan have had good games for Wales? eg- away to Germany, 3-0 at home to Norway etc How about consistency both within a match and for a period of games? If these guys are so decent why do they play in the lower leagues after a few years of development? They usually make glaring mistakes but when they don't that does not mean their lack of pace, skill or positional play is not causing problems for the team. Citing an away games vs a German team that had little interest or a Norway team that were beyond poor in a meaningless friendly is irrelevant. Poor players show up when it really matters, as would have happened last night if they had played. Its the same with Darcy Blake - he was NEVER a centre back and made lots of mistakes within matches. Especially crazy given his lack of height!. Yet because he was so committed in a game, everyone was rewriting the contribution he made and suggesting he was a realistic prospect in that position going forward! Seriously if such players ever break into the Welsh squad again then we are in trouble. Harsh but true! |
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Post by alarch on Oct 11, 2014 15:46:50 GMT
A bit over-stated hookd - but you have a point. Nyatanga and Morgan need to prove their credentials over an extended period of time to be considered for a Wales recall.
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Post by djb77 on Oct 11, 2014 18:47:08 GMT
Having watched the tv coverage I'll concur with those who were impressed with Chester's performance. If he plays like that week in week out, he won't be on the bench at Hull long.
I also thought Ledley played his role very well. His move to Palace seems to have worked out well.
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Post by cookieboy on Oct 11, 2014 19:21:26 GMT
Nyatanga & Morgan have to be seen as backup. Williams,Chester on yellows,Davies will grow into the left-sided centre half position. And Collins should defo be considered... when fit....he has a glaring mistake in him...but also a real all action defensive display as well. Does anyone have any info on Lynch at Huddersfield...i was led to belieif on twitter...he was still eligible for a Rep.of.Ire callup???,which i had stated on here before...but does anyone have any other info.
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Post by alternativewales on Oct 11, 2014 23:28:56 GMT
In a pair he looked like a disaster waiting to happen. Finland 2009 comes to mind Llannerch. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2014 9:09:18 GMT
Not having a go at Chester but he was fortunate not to concede a penalty first half and both the Pjanic free kicks second half (which caused concern for us) came from Chester.
Ginge is still needed (the game in Belgium we never looked like conceeding til he went off and Wilson came on then we conceeded nearly straight away) plus whilst we are all bemoaning our lack of a centre forward he can be thrown up front in emergencies.
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Post by welshiron on Oct 12, 2014 10:48:28 GMT
I thought Chester did well and whilst the booking was wrong he did lunge in and another ref would of shown a red card.
He is a vital player for us as he is used to playing in a back 3 and I have a feeling he will get the odd goal as well.
However with both booked last night there is a decent chance one will miss the Belgium game.
As for centre halves, here is a list in the order of importance if we play a back 3
Williams
Davies (no other left sided)
Collins / Chester
Gabbidon (if he starts playing)
Williams Liverpool
Walsh Crawley
There is also Morgan and Nyatanga and James Wilson who are at an age where they have to be playing at a higher level to be considered.
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Oct 12, 2014 10:49:19 GMT
Walsh is left footed could slot in as left sided CB
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Post by hookd on Oct 12, 2014 10:59:45 GMT
Not having a go at Chester but he was fortunate not to concede a penalty first half and both the Pjanic free kicks second half (which caused concern for us) came from Chester.
Ginge is still needed (the game in Belgium we never looked like conceeding til he went off and Wilson came on then we conceeded nearly straight away) plus whilst we are all bemoaning our lack of a centre forward he can be thrown up front in emergencies.
The key positive is Chester is decisive. He makes a decision and commits. I certainly did not see a penalty or a red card from him in that games. The free kicks he conceded weren't stupid or needless, Bosnia were threatening. I'd rather have that than the passive circus in defence we saw versus Serbia home and away in the not too distant past! |
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Post by welshiron on Oct 13, 2014 8:05:13 GMT
Not having a go at Chester but he was fortunate not to concede a penalty first half and both the Pjanic free kicks second half (which caused concern for us) came from Chester.
Ginge is still needed (the game in Belgium we never looked like conceeding til he went off and Wilson came on then we conceeded nearly straight away) plus whilst we are all bemoaning our lack of a centre forward he can be thrown up front in emergencies.
The key positive is Chester is decisive. He makes a decision and commits. I certainly did not see a penalty or a red card from him in that games. The free kicks he conceded weren't stupid or needless, Bosnia were threatening. I'd rather have that than the passive circus in defence we saw versus Serbia home and away in the not too distant past! That's one thing that Collins does in spades and is roundly criticised for on here |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 20:54:24 GMT
The guy is an absolute boss. What a find, what a find.
Lets hope Pie face keeps him on the bench injury-free if thats the sort of performance he puts in when hes not playing regularly.
I would say MOTM tonight as well. Always sweeping up after everyone else.
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Post by flynnfan on Oct 13, 2014 21:16:16 GMT
Awesome tonight. As he was vs Bosnia.
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Post by hookd on Oct 13, 2014 21:20:13 GMT
Can I suggest everyone contacts him on twitter/facebook/whatever to let him know how much we appreciate his contribution/commitment and quality. The great thing is you hardly notice himself except his crunching tackles, whereas before him you constantly noticed blatant mistakes by the Wales back four which kept getting punished,
I assume Ben Davies must have had a knock, given he not only failed to start but also stayed on the bench when we could have done with him.
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Post by quetzal on Oct 13, 2014 21:22:43 GMT
He's a good un. I can Swansea trying to buy him because he plays so well with AW
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Post by erasedcitizen on Oct 13, 2014 21:23:48 GMT
My MOTM tonight, superb
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Post by Tim P on Oct 13, 2014 21:26:08 GMT
Colossus. It looks like a really complimentary partnership with Ashley.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 21:28:11 GMT
Can I suggest everyone contacts him on twitter/facebook/whatever to let him know how much we appreciate his contribution/commitment and quality. The great thing is you hardly notice himself except his crunching tackles, whereas before him you constantly noticed blatant mistakes by the Wales back four which kept getting punished, I assume Ben Davies must have had a knock, given he not only failed to start but also stayed on the bench when we could have done with him. I was thinking the same funnily enough. I wish I could get the message across to all of them that the efforts are appreciated, but Chester especially because him signing up to play for us and giving everything has been absolutely crucial in our success so far. Springsteen can fuck off, Chester is officially 'The Boss' now  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 21:29:24 GMT
Colossus. It looks like a really complimentary partnership with Ashley. Yeah, Ash says 'You're fucking amazing James' and Chester says 'thanks for the compliment'  |
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Post by nathan1710 on Oct 13, 2014 22:17:09 GMT
Yes James Chester was very good. Him or Robson Kanu for my MOTM
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Post by quetzal on Oct 13, 2014 22:36:24 GMT
Yes James Chester was very good. Him or Robson Kanu for my MOTM If you watch the game again, watch for all the simple things that Bale does right. He even showed a masterclass of how to close out the final 2 minutes in the corner flag area. Bale didn't score but was a genius on how to do the simple things right. Bale my MOM |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2014 22:59:30 GMT
Yes James Chester was very good. Him or Robson Kanu for my MOTM If you watch the game again, watch for all the simple things that Bale does right. He even showed a masterclass of how to close out the final 2 minutes in the corner flag area. Bale didn't score but was a genius on how to do the simple things right. Bale my MOM I think people have gone blind to him so he can do no wrong. Holding the ball in the corner flag a masterclass? I'll remember that everytime I see some clogger from a prem team doing it Bale was poor in my view. He tried and always offers a threat, but its frustrating how many times he chooses the wrong option and shoots. He really does feel that its all down to him at times. Maybe it was like that a year or two ago but its now bordering on disrespectful to the team because we are pissing opportunities away. Case in point on Friday where he tried a dribble with 3 men in front of him, lost the ball cheaply and Bosnia went straight down the end and fashioned a chance. That really interested me because I wonder what the reaction would be if we conceded a goal from a Bale dribble where he didn't have enough space from the second he got the ball? Would we dare hold him responsible? |
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Post by quetzal on Oct 13, 2014 23:10:36 GMT
If you watch the game again, watch for all the simple things that Bale does right. He even showed a masterclass of how to close out the final 2 minutes in the corner flag area. Bale didn't score but was a genius on how to do the simple things right. Bale my MOM I think people have gone blind to him so he can do no wrong. Holding the ball in the corner flag a masterclass? I'll remember that everytime I see some clogger from a prem team doing it Bale was poor in my view. He tried and always offers a threat, but its frustrating how many times he chooses the wrong option and shoots. He really does feel that its all down to him at times. Maybe it was like that a year or two ago but its now bordering on disrespectful to the team because we are pissing opportunities away. Case in point on Friday where he tried a dribble with 3 men in front of him, lost the ball cheaply and Bosnia went straight down the end and fashioned a chance. That really interested me because I wonder what the reaction would be if we conceded a goal from a Bale dribble where he didn't have enough space from the second he got the ball? Would we dare hold him responsible? The sending off though of King kind of nulified the attacking options in the 2nd half and gave our defence a chance to shine. Bale I thought was a menace and nearly scored on 2 occasions and nearly got a penalty. It would be very harsh to say Bale was average. He got man marked against Bosnia so he leaves gaps for others |
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Post by abwales on Oct 13, 2014 23:45:42 GMT
James Chester is a fucking MAN MOUNTAIN.
A man mountain that does it all! Blocks! Tackles! Heads! What a man! What a find! What a player!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2014 0:24:49 GMT
James Chester is a fucking MAN MOUNTAIN. A man mountain that does it all! Blocks! Tackles! Heads! What a man! What a find! What a player! Fuck me if you have abwales singing your praises you know you are not a hype job |
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Post by welshiron on Oct 14, 2014 8:29:05 GMT
A top class display from him last night
Especially when you consider he is just starting his international career.
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Post by alarch on Oct 14, 2014 8:50:26 GMT
Agreed. What's even more pleasing is how he seems to dove-tail so well with Ashley Williams. The partnership is every bit as important as individual performances. When I re-watched the Wales defeat by Croatia the other day I was impressed by Collins' performance - but the partnership between him and Williams was still insecure - and probably contributed to Eduardo's winner. I'm sure that Collins will play again at some point in the campaign - but I think it will be hard for him to dislodge Chester from the starting 11.
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Post by welshiron on Oct 14, 2014 9:01:40 GMT
I agree, I said before the Bosnia game that Collins was 1st choice, however if Chester did well in the 2 games he should keep the shirt and he should now.
I think we will play 3 at the back in Belgium and it's probably a choice between Davies and Collins for that slot
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Post by llannerch on Oct 14, 2014 12:49:18 GMT
As I tweeted earlier, does Collins have the appetite to fight for the shirt?
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Post by alternativewales on Oct 16, 2014 0:00:15 GMT
Springsteen can fuck off, Chester is officially 'The Boss' now If you ask me, Chester's been born to run. |
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