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Post by insertname on Oct 11, 2022 19:46:32 GMT
Absolutely gutted for them. Think the Swiss deserve it though…. Lots of heart but being brutally honest just not good enough at this level. Those early attacks were literally as good as it got for the rest of the 120 minutes. The defence are okay (bar some naive and suicidal moments) but over the rest of the pitch there is a severe lack of quality there. |
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Post by quetzal on Oct 11, 2022 19:50:47 GMT
Fortunately we won't beat Switzerland so the vagaries of the play off system won't apply to us. It’ll go down to the wire Prediction was right but it wasn’t. Unfortunately we got played off the park. Congrats to the Swiss and it’s time for Cymru to blood a new generation. |
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Post by deandadonda on Oct 11, 2022 19:51:32 GMT
Ffion morgan and lily woodham looked excellent coming on
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Post by iot on Oct 11, 2022 19:51:43 GMT
Felt we needed Ingle, Fishlock, and James to be in top form to get through. Two of those have played for massive clubs throughout their careers and won domestic/European titles, so with our three top players in midfield you would like to think we could at least get some parity there, but we didn't. Realistically, we were very fortunate to make it that far. So gutted for it to end that way though
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Post by quetzal on Oct 11, 2022 19:57:46 GMT
Absolutely gutted for them. Think the Swiss deserve it though…. Lots of heart but being brutally honest just not good enough at this level. Those early attacks were literally as good as it got for the rest of the 120 minutes. The defence are okay (bar some naive and suicidal moments) but over the rest of the pitch there is a severe lack of quality there. We were way off. Rode our luck. And even if we’d won on pens we would have had that play off Down Under. I hope we nip it in the bud ‘We were a penalty shootout from the World Cup’. We would have had to go again. |
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Post by hooky on Oct 11, 2022 20:09:56 GMT
They should be proud
They kept fighting until the end against a much better team away from home
They need some energy in the team I feel - someone driving them through the centre of the field, getting on the ball more, etc
We must remember that while we played 120 mins 4 days ago, they were fresh. So unfair but that's the schedule. You could see many of our players were out on their feet in the second half never mind extra time.
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Post by quetzal on Oct 11, 2022 20:11:49 GMT
They should be proud They kept fighting until the end against a much better team away from home They need some energy in the team I feel - someone driving them through the centre of the field, getting on the ball more, etc We must remember that while we played 120 mins 4 days ago, they were fresh. So unfair but that's the schedule. You could see many of our players were out on their feet in the second half never mind extra time. Swings and roundabouts. We benefited in the men’s against Ukraine. |
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Post by evans1282 on Oct 11, 2022 20:12:33 GMT
Lots of heart but being brutally honest just not good enough at this level. Those early attacks were literally as good as it got for the rest of the 120 minutes. The defence are okay (bar some naive and suicidal moments) but over the rest of the pitch there is a severe lack of quality there. We were way off. Rode our luck. And even if we’d won on pens we would have had that play off Down Under. I hope we nip it in the bud ‘We were a penalty shootout from the World Cup’. We would have had to go again. But just one game against a team way way below us I rankings. |
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Post by bobbyghoul on Oct 11, 2022 20:14:56 GMT
It’ll go down to the wire Prediction was right but it wasn’t. Unfortunately we got played off the park. Congrats to the Swiss and it’s time for Cymru to blood a new generation. Mine was. Even to this casual observer we were always going to struggle unfortunately. |
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Post by iot on Oct 11, 2022 20:45:25 GMT
Lots of heart but being brutally honest just not good enough at this level. Those early attacks were literally as good as it got for the rest of the 120 minutes. The defence are okay (bar some naive and suicidal moments) but over the rest of the pitch there is a severe lack of quality there. We were way off. Rode our luck. And even if we’d won on pens we would have had that play off Down Under. I hope we nip it in the bud ‘We were a penalty shootout from the World Cup’. We would have had to go again. I've found the whole focus on that intercontinental playoff overblown and a little irritating. This was by far the biggest test. If we had won this game, we would have been massive favourites to make it to the world cup. Let's see how Switzerland get on in that game - I'm guessing a win by 4 or 5 goals |
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Post by CrackityJones on Oct 11, 2022 20:56:15 GMT
Amazing effort, got so close. Gutted for them but they can be very proud of the legacy they are creating.
On to the next campaign!
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Post by morg on Oct 11, 2022 22:15:37 GMT
We were way off. Rode our luck. And even if we’d won on pens we would have had that play off Down Under. I hope we nip it in the bud ‘We were a penalty shootout from the World Cup’. We would have had to go again. I've found the whole focus on that intercontinental playoff overblown and a little irritating. This was by far the biggest test. If we had won this game, we would have been massive favourites to make it to the world cup. Let's see how Switzerland get on in that game - I'm guessing a win by 4 or 5 goals Switzerland through to world cup directly. Portugal will be in the inter continental play off. |
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Post by ontheroadagain2 on Oct 11, 2022 22:40:24 GMT
The Women's team have been on a steep learning curve in the past 2 campaigns.
Learn to deal with the pressure, like the men's team has, and bring through more talent and they will make it to a Euro or World Cup finals.
Great effort this time.
Why do our teams put us through all this tension.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 11, 2022 23:39:22 GMT
Didn't deserve the result, but cruel to get that close to taking it to pens. Felt like our night with all the decisions we were getting and I think we might have nicked it on pens. Ultimately didn't have enough to say we deserved it over the Swiss
I think with increased interest in the women's game tournament expansion is on the horizon, and I think that will suit us and see us start to qualify. Hopefully that also simplifies these convoluted qualification processes
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Post by garynysmon on Oct 12, 2022 11:12:33 GMT
To be honest I don't regularly watch women's football and only show an interest in Wales matches, so can't really comment on where we stand in terms of the overall standard of the game. I didn't watch any of the recent Women's Euros for instance.
But what I can say with confidence is that they gave it their all and were dead on their feet during ET. I don't think we can ask for much more than that. The winning goal was as much down to fatigue than anything else, given they'd already played 120 last Thursday while the Swiss had a week off.
I was more invested in last night's game than any over the past year, barring the men's game against Ukraine in June. That's very telling.
They've attracted thousands of new fans over the past campaign and while now we're sadly the only nation in the British Isles not to have qualified for a major tournament (given the ROI qualified last night), surely it can't be a million miles away now?
Switzerland, despite being a much bigger country, could only attract a crowd of 7,000 last night.
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Post by iot on Oct 12, 2022 12:12:30 GMT
I'm in a similar position - in fact, I'm not sure that I've ever watched a full club game of women's football, but have watched every Wales game for the past few years (proper bandwagoner, I know).
What I do know is that Sophie Ingle is considered a top player in the women's super league, is a key player for Chelsea who have won the last 3 titles as well as making the final / semis of the Champions League several times in recent years, and she was good enough to be in team GB for the last Olympics (urgh). Her quality on the ball and in defence has stood out in several of the Wales games I've watched. I also know that Jess Fishlock has played for some of the best teams in the world, has won the champions league and the American domestic league, and unless i've misunderstood won player of the season in the American top flight recently. Finally, I also know that Angharad James has been one of our best players in recent years, performing a Joe Allen-type role.
For me, although they all fought hard, those three players didn't seem to hit the standards they're capable of. The whole team were sloppy on the ball, but you'd expect better from those 3. Had they been on their game, we would have had much more control in the game and a better chance. So yeah, we were always going to be big underdogs and we certainly didn't lose for a want of trying, but I do think we're capable of performing much better than what we showed last night.
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Post by quetzal on Oct 12, 2022 13:04:23 GMT
This is why I still come to Apostle. Twitter is very chummy, happy happy land on the game. Together Stronger and brave old Wales and all that. Which is fine but we tell it as it is here. We weren’t at the races on this one.
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Post by fiveattheback on Oct 12, 2022 15:05:44 GMT
I think they were pretty clearly knackered, had they wrapped the game up in 90 minutes against Bosnia (as they should have) I think it would have been a more balanced game. You're right though they were very sloppy
I though Gwennan Harries was right with what she was saying about an overly defensive mentality though, there were opportunities at set pieces where Wales would be committing just 2 or 3 to the box with about 4 stood outside to guard against a counter as well as those on the halfway line. It was pretty strange considering Wales' goal came from a set piece!
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Post by 1gwaunview on Oct 12, 2022 18:35:39 GMT
Shame that the women's performances deteriorated as the competition moved forward, after a promising start.
Poor overall last night and they didn't really deserve to go any further. With some improvement there's plenty to look forward to though for the next Euros. We're three or four players short of a good team, particularly in forward positions.
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Post by cadno on Oct 12, 2022 20:21:02 GMT
Going away to Switzerland was never going to be easy, I only caught the last 10 mins and extra time but thought Wales looked alright, like others have said it’s surprising how 1 or 2 players can make a difference to a team, we have a lot of really good players but just a couple short of being at Switzerland’s level.
Tash Harding would’ve given us a bit more, she’s a good player and workhorse, so it’s a shame she was missing.
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Post by morg on Jan 18, 2023 12:51:07 GMT
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Post by bobbyghoul on Jan 18, 2023 13:16:20 GMT
Hmmmm, mixed feelings on this. I'm all for equality but is it really equal if different inputs lead to equal outputs? |
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Post by conwy10 on Jan 18, 2023 13:32:35 GMT
I'm guessing as all marketing is done with players from both they can say its one pot it goes in. I don't mind this as they are both representing the National Teams.
I do think though the women's coaches are going to be on nowhere near the same pay as the mens. If we are claiming the womens pay wasn't fair are the coaches salaries between men and women teams fair? Should we try to get the best for the Cymru mens set up or should we bring salaries in line with the women's as both will be doing the same job? Nice gesture but paper thin in reality.
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Post by bobbyghoul on Jan 18, 2023 14:08:16 GMT
Fair enough on marketing but I guarantee TV and match day revenue will be very different.
Still, it's not a hill I'm willing to die on and it's a nice gesture.
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Post by insertname on Jan 18, 2023 15:05:57 GMT
At it’s core it’s no different to why bankers pay and nurse’s pay are stratospherically different. It’s not a comment on worthiness or gender simply that bankers generate wealth and nurses don’t.
Last time I checked the women’s team at Man City (one of the richest football entities) is costing them more to run than it generates. If a club that rich can’t run a sustainable women’s football team then God only knows how clubs lower down the pyramid are supposed to manage it.
So yes, nice in theory that Wales women (and soon lots of other women’s teams) will have pay parity of a sort but the headlines never seem to want to confront the issue of where the money comes from to enable this or have an honest and frank discussion about how women’s football ever plans to pay for itself as the demand for equal pay ratchets wages up out of step with it’s popularity as a product (as evidenced by Man City’s balance sheet). We all know why funding is never discussed either, because the unpalatable truth of it is that in a world where women having their own agency is a big deal (and rightly so) when it comes to football they are absolutely left relying on the men’s teams to work hard on the pitch and subsidise the sport women play because it can’t pay for itself, at least not to the levels of pay the women’s game thinks it deserves to be paid.
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Post by paj on Jan 18, 2023 18:00:21 GMT
I think it is a very positive move. Great PR of course. Over to you WRU.
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Post by rushy on Jan 18, 2023 18:20:54 GMT
I think sport is a different category to virtually every other form of employment, the majority of jobs should be paid the same no question, but sheer ability should be considered above any other detail, it's why the top rated sports people get paid the most along with the amount of spectators and tv viewers it draws . IF they are capable of playing in the same levels of ability based on physical strength, stamina, speed, technical skillset, etc. they would be playing in the men's game, or is this where this is going ?
Of course there are some sports where women compete against men on a level platform such as jockeys in horse racing being the only one I can think of, however the fact is women don't play the man's game simply because they are not capable of doing so, they are not the same level, tennis is another example of the difference but you could add many other sports where this applies, I can't agree it's a way forward.
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Post by surge on Jan 18, 2023 18:43:35 GMT
It's an investment in our future. Young girls will know they can reach the top and be treated, in one small way - fees paid by FAW will still be relatively small part of a top player's earnings, equally important.
Otherwise we'd be saying, as an association, that no matter how good young girls grow up to be they don't deserve equal pay until the sponsors say so.
Eventually the standards will improve, the crowds will come and success will be achieved. That possibility is what we're investing in for all the right* reasons. Together stronger indeed.
*There will be other reasons too.
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Post by insertname on Jan 18, 2023 19:15:25 GMT
No, the message from the association would be “pay your own way” which is a fine message that most parents pass on to their kids to stop them becoming entitled. Judging by the amount of clickbait articles a cursory google returns expressing horror that the lowest wage in the WSL is 20k, entitlement is a burgeoning issue surrounding women’s football. Whatever happened to playing simply for the love of the game? If you want to be better paid choose a different career.
It’s always about money with footballers, no matter the gender.
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Post by hooky on Jan 18, 2023 20:30:12 GMT
It's an investment in our future. Young girls will know they can reach the top and be treated, in one small way - fees paid by FAW will still be relatively small part of a top player's earnings, equally important. Otherwise we'd be saying, as an association, that no matter how good young girls grow up to be they don't deserve equal pay until the sponsors say so. Eventually the standards will improve, the crowds will come and success will be achieved. That possibility is what we're investing in for all the right* reasons. Together stronger indeed. *There will be other reasons too. Totally agree Women's football in the last 10 years has improved at an incredible rate. England's team has shown what a high level the women's game has already reached I understand the commercial argument - the men's game brings in the vast majority of income BUT there is a responsibility to invest in the women's game to allow it to reach its full potential and that involves improvements in pay so that women can dedicate themselves to the sport. Increased investment + increased incentives (pay) = improved product = increased interest from fans/society/media + sponsors, etc. Just think how much women's football has progressed in the last 4 years, helped by showing it on TV, in particular televising the internationals, has massively helped to grow interest. At the beginning I am sure televised women's football would have garnered limited interest and would have made no sense commercially, but now that interest is growing strongly and suddenly things become more commercially viable. Essentially every man would want the best for their daughter, wife or partner or close female friend. When you look back how horrible the world has been for women to live in in terms of how they have been treated over many decades, let alone centuries, by men and in comparison to men, at an individual and societally level, then it is so refreshing to me as a dad of an eleven year old that the world looks a bit fairer with more potential opportunities available to her than there would have even 20, 10 or even 5 years ago. I get we can reflect that men in our national team may merit higher pay in terms of match fees given they generate a far higher slice of commercial revenue - but sometimes you just have to skew things in a direction towards equality to equalise opportunities in sport and life in general. This is a modest gesture but I am so proud that every member of the Wales men's team voted in favour of what was effectively a significant 25% cut in their appearance fee. It is so exciting to see the momentum behind women's football continue to pick up and there is no reason the women footballers can't be as skillful, graceful and entertaining as the men given the same investment. This in turn will allow women to compete for the hearts and minds of fans. Girls (and boys) can grow up following their female idols, women teams, etc, and momentum can be further accelerated towards equality. I work in finance and I truly believe that investment in women's football will achieve an attractive return at the elite level. as you can only see it continue to develop and attract more commercial investment as players and the product improves. The product is already set to improve as the increased amounts of money invested / diverted in women's football is given young girls the chance to access 'just' the opportunity to play football in a team. It is of course well documented how the likes of Tash, Jess, Sophie, etc, and probably all their team mates, effectively could not play football locally once they hit ten or so as they could no longer play with the boys and did not have an alternative team to play for. Imagine how good they would have been if they had the current level of investment available at the time they started their development |
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