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Post by iot on Aug 5, 2023 8:40:02 GMT
Thank the lord Wales didn’t beat a very poor Switzerland to reach the World Cup finals , Spain absolutely destroyed the Swiss so Christ knows how Wales would have got on The gap between the Elite nations ie England, Spain etc is huge , someone tell Mooney stop ploughing money in !! Weird comment, presumably based on some dinosaur views on investing in women's football. The Swiss reached the last 16 of the World Cup. They're top of the 2nd tier of women's international sides. They narrowly, but deservedly, beat us - we're also within that 2nd tier, but some way below. Had we gone through to the WC and progressed to the last 16, only to lose heavily to a top Spanish side, I would still have been over the moon. To tie all of this to Mooney's investment in women's football, bearing in mind he only became CEO about 2 years ago, is incredibly bizarre and ignorant - as if there would be any relationship between increasing investment and the results immediately felt on the pitch. Anyone with half a brain would know that any outcomes from such investment will be longer term. A few on here really seem to struggle with toxic masculinity, it's unbecoming |
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Post by morg on Aug 5, 2023 8:58:15 GMT
Women's game has progressed incredibly. Am really enjoying this tournament and it's notable that some of the tier 2 nations are more than holding their own. I personally want the Welsh women's team to be part of that progression.
Great to see Cheryl Foster refereeing a last 16 game also.
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Post by marsvolta on Sept 20, 2023 17:29:52 GMT
I see the team GB thing has raised its ugly head again.
Apparently they will have England’s manager and Team GB will qualify for the Olympics if England qualify from their Nations League group.
In the unlikely event of Wales or Scotland qualifying
but England don’t, then Team GB won’t be able to complete in the Olympics (!)
If England qualify they would still be able to
select Welsh and Scottish players. Yet if Wales qualify and England don’t,they not only will not be able to select England players, they just wouldn’t be able to go to the Olympics at all.
The Welsh players are in a bizarre position of hoping England qualify so they could have a chance of being selected for the Olympics, all whilst knowing that their own efforts for Wales will be irrelevant to the Olympics.
What a farce!
Also, didn’t we have everyone saying in 2012 that it would be a one-off? I know of at least one obese but handsome member of this forum who warned that it wouldn’t be.
Edit- I’ve read the rules a few times and am convinced that I’ve got this right, would be happy to be corrected if I’ve got any of this wrong because this seems too bizarre to be correct
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Sept 23, 2023 8:04:37 GMT
Disappointing performance against Iceland last night; a win or a draw might have made progress in this qualifying group more achievable.
A victory against Denmark in Cardiff on Tuesday night is now much needed, but it looks like a tall order.
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Sept 23, 2023 8:07:30 GMT
Sorry - I meant of course "Nations League" group.
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Post by hooky on Sept 23, 2023 10:30:23 GMT
Disappointing performance against Iceland last night; a win or a draw might have made progress in this qualifying group more achievable. A victory against Denmark in Cardiff on Tuesday night is now much needed, but it looks like a tall order. Disappointing Technically we are decent but we do not have enough pace from midfield or upfront (I love Green's commitment, passion, while she is quick - unfortunately she makes wrong decisions on a frequent basis) or a clinical edge up front and Fishlock is not getting any younger,, with shades of Bale in terms of her growing lack of mobility. Midfield with James and Ingle is so immobile in particular - I wish there was a more energetic alternative to James. We also do not have an out and out goalscorer. Bottom line from last night is Iceland were more clinical than us. It may be years before a decent goalscorer or the next Fishlock emerges. In the meantime surely we need to freshen things up? The likes of Morgan (pace) and Hughes (physicality) - surely you need one of them to add a point of difference to our attack - Cain and Jones are skilful but a bit similar and are not goalscorers, while Green is getting older and just seems incapable of linking play up given her decision making? I think the manager will have done an incredible job if we qualify for the euros given our limitations at the moment - to get us so close to penalties versus a Swiss team that were far better than us shows how good she is and how committed the team are. |
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Post by hooky on Sept 23, 2023 10:34:33 GMT
PS - not trying to be negative - I admire their commitment and have been watching every single one of their games over the past 2 years. Am just being honest about the shortcomings I see. Last night - Iceland looked to have the best 3 chances (goal, cleared from line and another in front of goal), while we had less than half chances) and while we dominated play what does that matter when the other team creates far more and scores more than you?
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Post by surge on Sept 23, 2023 11:46:42 GMT
Iceland are ranked 14th in the FIFA rankings currently (Switzerland as 21st and Wales/Cymru as 29th) but of course you play what's in front of you rather and think we can be a little disappointed in the performance and result.
Some neat play to create half-chances but need to find way of developing those half-chances into fully fledged efforts and be more clinical when they come.
Between the two boxes, I thought we did at least as well as Iceland. Lot's to build on as strong foundations.
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Post by iot on Sept 23, 2023 17:31:03 GMT
Agree with the comments. The Ingle-Fishlock-James trinity is supposed to be our main strength, but I've felt in quite a few games that they seriously lack bite and energy in midfield. Fishlock did not look her usual bustling, creative self at all yesterday. Maybe it was just the travelling taking its toll this window
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Post by aberbeeg on Sept 26, 2023 7:29:15 GMT
Like one of the reports said they could still be playing now and still not scored. I also read the first criticism of the manager and her tactics.
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Post by dai on Sept 26, 2023 18:27:44 GMT
Down 0-2 after just over 10 mins. Atrocious defending.
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Post by abercymru on Sept 26, 2023 18:59:59 GMT
Down 0-2 after just over 10 mins. Atrocious defending. Definitely avoidable, you can see the step up in opposition too though. A struggle to keep hold of the ball for a lot of the half. Bit of improvement the last few minutes. |
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Post by aberbeeg on Sept 26, 2023 20:26:45 GMT
Got thumped 5-1 at home ….ouch!!
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Post by dai on Sept 26, 2023 20:28:28 GMT
To use the male saying ‘men v boys’, it was ‘women vs girls’ tonight.
I’m going to be brutally honest and say we seem to have gone backwards over the course of the year.
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Post by Belle Vue on Sept 26, 2023 20:45:05 GMT
Embarrassing
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Post by barneycat1 on Sept 26, 2023 21:17:46 GMT
To use the male saying ‘men v boys’, it was ‘women vs girls’ tonight. I’m going to be brutally honest and say we seem to have gone backwards over the course of the year. Definitely gone downhill |
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Post by hooky on Sept 26, 2023 21:29:48 GMT
We should be nowhere near the top league
As stated - midfield and attack has little energy or athleticism and there is little creativity which is in anyway accurate or clinical
Ingle is distinctly average for Wales but surely we need to invest in someone else as an alternative for James as I am not sure what she contributes? Holland does not seem technically good enough in forward positions but has stamina and a bit of bite - can't she replace James and play a more defensive position?
They need to move on and start backing players like Ffion Morgan and probably Hughes. We have no energy or direct running threat (bring in Ffion) and limited physicality (bring in Hughes) up front. For goodness sake why can't Gemma see that?
Morgan looks exciting and I understand Hughes has been banging in the goals in the Championship. I do not understand why
we are not moving on from the old guard - we need youth and energy! We are too one paced
Fishlock is very talented but she is fighting against the same fading light as Bale. She is rarely involved as she can't move around much - is it enough just to keep her on the pitch and carry her (when our other 2 midfielders are so slow) for the hope she gets that one moment to show her quality.
I know they give everything but the starting 11 are not going to get us over the line of qualification. Every aging team needs to refresh things
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Post by iot on Sept 26, 2023 21:56:04 GMT
I think that Ingle, more than anyone else, should be disappointed with her last two performances. She was completely quiet and ineffective, and to be honest didn't look up for it. I thought her whole demeanour and body language was shockingly poor. I know she probably likes to think of herself as this classy midfielder that can stroll around and can spray passes, but those games needed a lot more energy from her. Not once did I see her crunch into a tackle or working hard to retain possession. She was lightly jogging when they were breaking, letting opposing players win the ball when she was well positioned to fight for it. They were the opposite of a captain's performance. Fishlock was similar until she scored, and then really turned it on and looked really good and positive every time she had it in the second half. Not sure why she needed the goal for that to happen
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Post by quetzal on Sept 26, 2023 22:47:05 GMT
Horrible result! What’s the story? People over the hill ?
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Post by jbt95 on Sept 26, 2023 23:04:53 GMT
Didn’t see the game as was working but I watched the USA friendly in the summer and the women did really well there. Hopefully they can get some decent results next camp.
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Post by aberbeeg on Sept 27, 2023 7:22:40 GMT
That was definitely back to the bad old days. Embarrassing is an understatement. No fight and definitely no passion. Looked like they were going through the motions.
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Post by hooky on Sept 27, 2023 8:48:15 GMT
As elided to just like the men's team at the WC - no pace, physicality (outside central defence) or energy and a lack of clinical edge
Invest in Ffion Morgan - she had more energy than our entire midfield when she came on and we need to replace at least one of those midfield players. Scotland and Ireland are performing better because they have players with energy, pace (and more of a clinical edge)
Am worried if we play with this low energy level too long they will lose the crowds. Even if we lose - if you have more young balls of energy on the pitch then you are more likely to inspire. Experience does not equate to better results once mature players stop performing to a high and/or consistent level
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Post by dai on Sept 27, 2023 11:01:10 GMT
The main issue for me having watched us a number of times now, is that we don't seem to be able to pass the ball well - at all.
It could be just our standard of player, however most of our women are playing at a decent level having checked the squad.
However, like others have mentioned, we're definitely lacking a lot of creativity on the pitch, and times look very amateur, sadly.
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Post by Belle Vue on Sept 27, 2023 13:41:33 GMT
Quote from Gemma Grainger
"I don't think there was a huge gap on the pitch. Goals have affected the game."
Yes Gemma goals do affect the results in football and will do for years to come !!!
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Post by 1gwaunview on Sept 28, 2023 11:52:52 GMT
Poor performance again bar a 20 minute spell second half. The women's team seem to be going backwards again after initial progress under Gemma Grainger.
A few older players Angharad James and Sophie Ingle in particular don't seem to be the players they once were, and Jess Fishlock although seemingly our only real goal threat isn't getting any younger, flits in and out of games now, the goal though was tremendous.
Gemma Grainger doesn't like to change the team very much from what I've seen, you'd have thought the Nations league would be ideal to give the youngsters some experience.
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Post by toshfan on Sept 28, 2023 13:41:53 GMT
Stephanie Frappart is a superb referee but a shame that she was the main highlight for me.
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Post by abercymru on Oct 27, 2023 15:59:14 GMT
Only 12 minutes in, but looking a very uphill battle today. Germany are a good team, but we are scrambling to clear, no playing out (which I understand, but it invites constant pressure). Hopefully we can keep them out and calm the game down a little.
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Post by janglingjack on Oct 27, 2023 16:31:46 GMT
What a lovely goal that was,smash and grab incoming....well maybe  |
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Post by welwyn on Oct 27, 2023 16:37:33 GMT
What a lovely goal that was,smash and grab incoming....well maybe Agreed, for as much as they have been outplayed for the first 40 mins. That would genuinely be one of the best goals we've scored (men's or women's) for a very long time. |
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Post by abercymru on Oct 27, 2023 16:37:41 GMT
What a lovely goal that was,smash and grab incoming....well maybe What a result at half time given how it's gone, away from home, against such a good team. Hopefully be able to push on (or hold on) second half. |
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