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Post by cadnox on Mar 25, 2014 17:21:50 GMT
Osian has done more for welsh football than we appreciate The way they train coaches and the way they were brave enough to go to smaller pitches and teams for the youngsters, something those across the border have just started to implement. Next step is summer football at least for the mini football, as this will allow them to train and play in weather that doesn't freeze them to the bones I know the FAW are trying to introduce a lot more of Futsal into the system which is great. I guess it's a little bit harder for teams in rural areas to take part in Futsal due to the lack of leisure centres and difficulty to reach them. Would it be an idea to perhaps introduce a "Futsal League" at junior and maybe even seniors levels over the christmas period, this would keep children/adults playing when grass pitches aren't playable and also improve players overall game at the same time. It's a shame that sometimes teams can go up to 2-3 months without playing football because of bad weather/conditions. |
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Post by biwmares on Mar 25, 2014 22:27:06 GMT
Osian has done more for welsh football than we appreciate The way they train coaches and the way they were brave enough to go to smaller pitches and teams for the youngsters, something those across the border have just started to implement. Next step is summer football at least for the mini football, as this will allow them to train and play in weather that doesn't freeze them to the bones Agreed but lets also remember the fine work of others involved in the Welsh football trust Really impressed with them teaching the national anthem to the boys. |
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Post by ontheroadagain on Mar 28, 2014 21:33:42 GMT
Many thanks biwmares. Finally got round to watching the first episode. Really enjoyed it, apart from the memories of Novi Sad. Cannot wait to see the rest of the programs over the weekend. |
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Post by quetzal on Jan 29, 2015 15:42:11 GMT
We do get carried away in Wales. Osian hasn't achieved anything on paper yet. None of the age groups have qualified for anything and the 24 u15 squad that won the Victory Shield with 14 English born players. Hardly youth development in Wales. I think and pray this will all change soon.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 15:50:30 GMT
We do get carried in Wales. Osian hasn't achieved anything on paper yet. None of the age groups have qualified for anything and the 24 u15 squad that won the Victory Shield with 14 English born players. Hardly youth development in Wales. I think and pray this will all change soon. He is obviously highly spoken of. This isnt meant as a criticism, more genuine interest: why is he not in a management/coaching capacity with a club? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 15:57:06 GMT
We do get carried in Wales. Osian hasn't achieved anything on paper yet. None of the age groups have qualified for anything and the 24 u15 squad that won the Victory Shield with 14 English born players. Hardly youth development in Wales. I think and pray this will all change soon. why would't you be enthused about this? something is obviously working from the bottom up. you do remember the Bobby Gould years quetzal? |
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Post by toshfan on Jan 29, 2015 16:07:18 GMT
He is making an incredibly strong contribution towards Welsh Football, both working for the Senior Team and in playing a leading role in the continuing Youth Revolution in Wales.
It is clear he is rightly winning plaudits in Wales and beyond!
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Post by texan on Jan 30, 2015 11:43:39 GMT
He is obviously highly spoken of. This isnt meant as a criticism, more genuine interest: why is he not in a management/coaching capacity with a club? I've always got the impression that his passion for football revolves specifically around the development and improvement of the game in Wales, and that a job with a top club was never his aim. When he came back from working in the US in the early 90's he went straight into youth development in and around Gwynedd & Anglesey whilst getting his badges and working with WPL clubs. When the FAW Trust was formed circa 1996 I suppose it was a natural avenue for him to go down and, when he was offered the opportunity to do his pro badges he quit his job as the boss of Port to go full time with them. I think the position of Technical Director was probably always the top job for someone like him, and the leap to active coaching with players (and, as a result, his higher profile) would almost certainly never have happened had he not left such an impression on Speed when he was teaching him. I like Osian, he's a local lad who was always pottering around my locality in clubs and schools throughout my youth and was a fairly well known figure on the touchlines in the 90's. He even taught me and my mates on more than one occasion when he visited our school, worked a lot with Meilir Owen (fellow Porthmadog manager) if I recall (albeit hazily!). I think we're lucky to have someone who's obviously a passionate student of the world game in charge of our future, long may it continue. |
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Post by llannerch on Feb 2, 2015 13:43:55 GMT
Great post texan. He's a systems and process man and not a hands on manager. Too many English clubs sneer at the continental model for directors of football who look at clubs in holisitc terms. They recognise that they are such huge things to manage that it is too large for one man to oversee all things. You therefore need different skills. Can you imagine Harry Redknapp developing youth and coach pathways, academy structures, performance monitoring systems etc.? By the same token not everyone can fire up a team 10 minutes before kick off.
Incidentally, were Porthmadog any good under Osian?
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Post by texan on Feb 2, 2015 16:36:00 GMT
Incidentally, were Porthmadog any good under Osian? Yes pretty successful, he rebuilt the team and took them back up from the Cymru Alliance to the WPL in 2003 with something like a 20 point advantage. It was a joint effort mind with a two-man team of Roberts and Viv Williams. I think they were unspectacular yet solid after that with mid-table finishes in the WPL every year until he left in 2007. A friend of mine played under him there for a few years, remember him telling me he enjoyed it, that he was a good manager and was very thorough, always going into the finer details of performances and recording almost everything. Some thought it was a bit too thorough for the level they were playing at times mind (i.e. got away with much less than at other clubs!). |
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Post by ontheroadagain on Mar 22, 2015 19:37:35 GMT
Was on the Jonathan show Friday night.
Well worth watching.
Go to Clic or iplayer.
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Post by walesaway on Mar 22, 2015 20:11:39 GMT
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Post by toshfan on Mar 22, 2015 23:17:11 GMT
I watched it and got a little stick for doing so (my 3rd time)  It was funny, but telling, to see Nigel Owens face when the names of ex players getting their coaching badges in Wales were read out. It appears that our Egg brothers have little knowledge of, or expectation in, Welsh Football. |
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Post by alarch on Mar 28, 2015 23:57:44 GMT
When asked on Ar y Marc what his role is Osian said: - To provide the analysis (prepared over several months) of individuals and units in the opposition ranks
- Present these to individuals and units in the Welsh team, in line with the decisions that Coleman makes
- Present his selections and suggestions to Coleman with Coleman making the final decisions
- Assisting Chris in enabling the players to be clear in their roles tactically and psychologically, and going into the game with the correct mindset
I didn't get the impression that he was trying to big himself up at all - just giving a straightforward explanation of his role. But I couldn't help but get the feeling that that he has quite a major role - and probably the "brains" in the operation. We've built a real team, on and off the field, and Roberts has a very big part to play in that. Coleman is proving to be an excellent front man, and he's really focussed in what he's saying, which is great to see. But he's lucky to have Roberts backing him up. |
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Post by georgetm1 on Mar 29, 2015 0:12:32 GMT
The guy is the Godfather of Welsh football. He is the one who controls all the age groups behind the scenes.
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Post by ontheroadagain on Mar 29, 2015 0:26:12 GMT
When asked on Ar y Marc what his role is Osian said: - To provide the analysis (prepared over several months) of individuals and units in the opposition ranks
- Present these to individuals and units in the Welsh team, in line with the decisions that Coleman makes
- Present his selections and suggestions to Coleman with Coleman making the final decisions
- Assisting Chris in enabling the players to be clear in their roles tactically and psychologically, and going into the game with the correct mindset
I didn't get the impression that he was trying to big himself up at all - just giving a straightforward explanation of his role. But I couldn't help but get the feeling that that he has quite a major role - and probably the "brains" in the operation. We've built a real team, on and off the field, and Roberts has a very big part to play in that. Coleman is proving to be an excellent front man, and he's really focussed in what he's saying, which is great to see. But he's lucky to have Roberts backing him up. This is what I said in another thread but in a different way. Osian is the godfather, fact. (Edit and that was before I saw georgetm's post. |
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Post by nathan1710 on Jun 9, 2015 20:34:52 GMT
Just watched a press conference on the FAW YouTube channel. Osian talks about the Wales training game they played and said that it had more pace and energy to it than a few friendlies he's watched recently. Obviously referring to the Ireland v England game. Haha, nice touch Os
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Post by gwernybwch on Jun 9, 2015 20:50:32 GMT
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Post by porthcawlred on Jun 10, 2015 2:34:35 GMT
Just watched a press conference on the FAW YouTube channel. Osian talks about the Wales training game they played and said that it had more pace and energy to it than a few friendlies he's watched recently. Obviously referring to the Ireland v England game. Haha, nice touch Os That was a good interview to watch! The same sort of points coming up in all of them showing a clear message throughout the system! And as you said, a great way for Osian to sign it off  haha |
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Post by alarch on Jun 11, 2015 9:53:40 GMT
Just watched Osian's press conference the other day on the FAW website. Very impressive - I really get a sense that he's grown in stature. He looks very comfortable and assured in front of the press pack - which must be pretty daunting. Hardly surprising perhaps when he's leading coach educator courses that include several successful Premier League managers (Monk, Pulis, Sherwood and Martinez) and many players of international stature (Desailly, Lehmann and Campbell spring readily to mind). If Coleman were tempted away at the end of the current campaign I wonder if Osian could be the next Welsh manager? Would he relish being no 1, or is he best suited to being a bit more in the background?
Also interesting to note that after mentioning that Wales have varied their systems in all matches to date in this campaign that he then went on to say that when we've played Belgium the last few times we've used the same system. The implication is "if it ain't broke...". Unless this is all smokescreen and mirrors I'm pretty confident we will go 4 at the back, and have two sitting midfielders. He also mentioned how opposition managers will learn from the first games against us in the campaign - and therefore that there would be a need to make adjustments to avoid being predictable. This suggests that there will be some tweaks to our formation and/or tactics.
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Post by blueslippers on Jun 15, 2015 20:39:20 GMT
Put this question on CCMB but didn't get any responses, so i'll try it as a first post on here..
When Coleman moves on (and I've backed him since day 1 but our challenge now may be keeping hold of him!), Is Osian Roberts a natural 'boot room' style successor.
He is a highly qualified coach who is doing a huge amount for Welsh football at all levels and knows it inside out. He also has been around the first team under both Speed and Coleman. Knows the set up, the youngsters and would maintain consistency.
Not wishing Coleman gone, but if we get to Euros and do well, we may struggle to keep him.....Is Roberts potentially our next Manager???
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Post by mrpicton79 on Jun 15, 2015 20:51:53 GMT
No way, hasn't got the management pedigree at that level. Jonathan Ford will surely want someone with a bigger profile. Do we know for sure Chris is desperate to get back into club football asap?
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Post by jbt95 on Jun 15, 2015 20:58:37 GMT
I think Osian Roberts is a coach and not a manager and doubt it would interest him in all honesty. Chris said his dream is to lead us to the World Cup. I doubt if we get a good group and do well at the Euros he would leave.
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Post by twmyteras on Jun 15, 2015 20:59:55 GMT
Put this question on CCMB but didn't get any responses, so i'll try it as a first post on here.. When Coleman moves on (and I've backed him since day 1 but our challenge now may be keeping hold of him!), Is Osian Roberts a natural 'boot room' style successor. He is a highly qualified coach who is doing a huge amount for Welsh football at all levels and knows it inside out. He also has been around the first team under both Speed and Coleman. Knows the set up, the youngsters and would maintain consistency. Not wishing Coleman gone, but if we get to Euros and do well, we may struggle to keep him.....Is Roberts potentially our next Manager??? Whilst he may well entertain the possibility of entering in to club management whilst his stock is high, surely coaching a 'golden' generation of Wales players to a much yearned-for World Cup appearance is a more enticing prospect? |
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Post by blueslippers on Jun 15, 2015 21:02:28 GMT
No way, hasn't got the management pedigree at that level. Jonathan Ford will surely want someone with a bigger profile. Do we know for sure Chris is desperate to get back into club football asap? I think Coleman will stay with us till next Summer as he can make history, but after that and particularly if we perform well (which I think we will), a big salary and a chance to work day to day with the players may make it hard for us to keep hold of him. Coleman is still a young man and there must all ready be a few lower PL and Championship Chairmen pencilling him on to shortlists. He is doing a fantastic job for us and I hope he stays where he is for years, but im just being realistic. I actually think Osian Roberts understanding of the current set up and his knowledge of the FAW at various levels could make him a good shout as a successor. I take your point about his lack of experience, but sometimes you unearth a diamond when you give them the opportunity! |
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Post by joniestafiesta on Jun 15, 2015 21:38:38 GMT
I for one don't believe that Coleman would be lured that easily from his job at Wales. Just look at hiss passion for this Welsh team at his press conferences and at the games and you see it means much more to him than his paycheck.
Also, would his stock be that high? Outside of Wales, this current run of form is largely seen as a Bale-driven freak streak. Even as someone who supported him at the start (although that is easy to say now), I still doubt how much of the tactical work is down to him, but the way he has brought the camp together is nothing short of a miracle.
As for Osian Roberts as the next manager - there is almost no way of it happening, but he should still be there as part of the backroom staff.
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Post by biwmares on Jun 15, 2015 22:00:14 GMT
No he should not take over from Coleman, he is doing a fantastic job with the WFT. He was a manager for Porthmadog for a spell if I remember rightly, think he gave it up to concentrate on his role as technical director, so he is essential for the development of players from a young age for the national team long term.
I would imagine his coaching courses are a money-spinner for the WFT as well.
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Post by welwyn on Jun 15, 2015 22:38:31 GMT
No way, hasn't got the management pedigree at that level. Jonathan Ford will surely want someone with a bigger profile. Do we know for sure Chris is desperate to get back into club football asap? I think Coleman will stay with us till next Summer as he can make history, but after that and particularly if we perform well (which I think we will), a big salary and a chance to work day to day with the players may make it hard for us to keep hold of him. Coleman is still a young man and there must all ready be a few lower PL and Championship Chairmen pencilling him on to shortlists. He is doing a fantastic job for us and I hope he stays where he is for years, but im just being realistic. Thing that makes Cookie's situation different to other young international coaches that have had success *cough* Sparky *Cough*, is that Coleman's has has that experience and been a comparative failure at Fulham, Sociedad & Coventry. Remember, he had just left Larissa when we came calling, his club career was done (in terms of any kind of decent level). This may still strike chairman, along with the 'Bale-driven' outside media comments to think again before going after him. As well as this, it also means that club management is not a 'new challenge' for him that he would want to explore. He's seen it and done it and he he may well consider the day to day job and extra salary of club management as not worth it for something that is not an unexplored venture, particularly now he is a father. |
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